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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Monday, October 30, 2023 11:22 PM


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SECOND:;I'm a sheep because I never cheated on my taxes or my wife and never killed anybody who didn't richly deserve it.

SIGNY: BFD. That's a pretty low bar. I never cheated either, and I never killed anyone, period.

I never did understand that sheep/goats parable. Goats are incredibly useful and intelligent creatures, able to survive where sheep can't. And their kids are amusing as hell to watch. The down side I suppose, is that they don't flock and aren't easily led.


A metaphor for our times: A Donkey Leads a Flock of Sheep

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BUT WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH UKRAINE?
Seems like you're spending a huge amount of energy dragging the discussion off-topic, BECAUSE RUSSIA IS WINNING.

Don't worry, I'll bring you regular updates of Ukraine's slow and painful defeat.
Feel sorry for the people of Ukraine, who let themselves be turned into America's proxy, whose slaughter is our "good investment".

SECOND: Signym, this is a test of your reading comprehension. I will help you by underlining a few words about goats. It is repeated by wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sheep_and_the_Goats :

But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.'..blah blah blah ...... The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' Then he will say also to those on the left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is ... blah blah blah...

Signym, by the way, Russia has not won. If you weren't stupid, you'd stop declaring which side is winning. You can't know this soon.

"If people are good only because they fear punishment and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein

"If people are good only because they fear punishment and hope for reward, then they are sorry Trumptards." - second



Having been raised Catholic I understood the biblical reference. Bible stories were geared to primitive farmers, herders, olive growers, wandering/ warring tribes, fisherman etc. Presumably they resonated with real life back then. But IMHO in real life goats are still incredibly useful creatures. They can browse areas inaccessible to sheep. They're a little harder to manage and it's harder to become wealthy (if you count your wealth in numbers of sheep, camels, jars of olive oil and wine etc) but that's all.

But why are you quoting the Bible? Neither of us believe it, right?

And furthermore, the part of the Bible that you quote threatens eternal damnation for the "goats"... Which totally undercuts your NEXT quote, about only being good for fear of punishment.

You're fundamentally confused, SECOND. Apparently any particular thought in your brain has never bumped into any other thought bc you frequently contradict yourself.
It's impossible to know what your point is!


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AFA Russia winning, Ukraine is running out of everything - planes, shells, rockets, missiles, armored vehicles and -especially- people. They are reduced to drone warfare at the front line. Yes, drones are useful weapons, but they're limited in range and explosive charge, and Russia has better drones. If we're looking at the balance of forces, Russia

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Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:12 PM

Russian forces continue to use “Storm-Z” assault units predominantly made up of prisoner recruits in highly attritional infantry-led frontal assaults. Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun stated on October 30 that Russian forces are preparing to conduct “meat assaults” (colloquial jargon for infantry-led frontal assaults) near Avdiivka and are training “Storm-Z” assault units for future assaults without equipment.[21] A Russian milblogger reportedly serving in the Avdiivka direction claimed that “meat assaults” are when Russian infantry forces attack without artillery support to suppress Ukrainian firing positions.[22] The milblogger claimed that when two Russian regiments conduct ”meat assaults” side by side, the seam between the areas of responsibility of both regiments remains unsecured and vulnerable to Ukrainian counterattacks. Another Russian milblogger claimed that “Storm-Z” assault detachments in the Avdiivka direction and on Bakhmut’s southern flank are often destroyed after a few days of active operations and on average lose between 40-70 percent of their personnel.[23] The milblogger criticized the Russian military’s poor training of “Storm-Z” units and the unwillingness of superior officers to consider the proposals of “Storm-Z” commanders when assigning them combat missions. The milblogger stated that “Storm-Z” units are often introduced into battle before conducting reconnaissance or establishing connections with neighboring units and typically struggle to evacuate their wounded without artillery cover, leading to higher losses. Both milbloggers noted the lack of proper artillery support for Russian attacks and counterattacks.[24] One milblogger stated that these factors contribute to “Storm-Z” units being turned into “trash” before achieving any significant results.[25] ISW has frequently reported on the ineffectiveness of “Storm-Z” units.[26]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-october-30-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:14 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I predict Russia will win. Capisce?

Bravado? The last time Russians "won" in Ukraine, they killed 4,000,000 Ukrainians in Holodomor. Russians pretend that their murder rampage is a myth, but the Ukrainians and Europeans know it is true and that it will happen again if Russia "wins". Russians should be very concerned about a "win" setting into motion a bigger war with Europeans since they can barely handle this small one with Ukrainians.

Holodomor is one example of Russians slaughtering those they defeat. Russia’s slaughter of indigenous people in Alaska tells us what Russians will do in Ukraine.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/27/russia-colonization-
alaska-ukraine-00123352


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:34 PM

Another story about Russians on a murder rampage. So what's new about that?

Ukrainian family of 9, including two minors brutally slain by Russian soldiers

Volnovakha, Ukraine, Edited By: Moohita Kaur Garg, Updated: Oct 31, 2023, 01:21 PM IST

Trigger warning: Some readers may find the details of this report disturbing. Discretion is advised

In the Russian-occupied eastern Ukrainian town of Volnovakha, a family of nine, including minor children, have been found shot dead in their house. Russian soldiers have been blamed for the gruesome killings.

Ukrainian officials have alleged that the Kapkanets family was killed on 27 October for refusing to give their house to the soldiers.

Arrests and more

As per a BBC report, Russian investigators have detained two male suspects, who they say are Russian soldiers from the Far East.

Photographs of the brutal killings have emerged on social media. They show blood-splattered and bullet-riddled bodies lying in bed. In some heartbreaking images, the slain family could be seen lying locked in an embrace.

Ukraine and Russia have both opened their own investigations into the merciless slaying.

'Bloodied hands'

Taking to Telegram, Ukrainian ombudsman Dmytro Lubinets on Monday said that "Russians' bloodied hands were involved" in the Volnovakha killings.

As per Lubinets' statement, preliminary information has revealed that "the occupiers have killed the whole of the Kapkanets family, who were celebrating a birthday and who had refused to hand their own house over to occupiers from Chechnya."

Citing preliminary information, the prosecutors' office in Ukraine-controlled Donetsk has alleged that attackers in Russian army uniforms shot the entire family after they refused to comply with demands to vacate their family home. It also said that two children, aged around five and nine, were among the victims.

Russia says it was a domestic conflict

On the other hand, Russia's official Investigations Committee has said that as per preliminary information, "the motive for the crime was a domestic conflict."

They said that two men arrested in relation to the crime were Russian soldiers from the country's far East, who had signed contracts with the Russian military.

Astra, a Russian news channel on Telegram quoting the slain family's neighbours, reported that the "killers were in the military". One neighbour told the news outlet: "We're all scared."

Another Russian Telegram channel, Baza, reported that the family had "a conflict with unidentified men wearing military fatigues with no insignia".

https://www.wionews.com/world/ukrainian-family-of-9-including-two-mino
rs-brutally-slain-by-russian-soldiers-653398


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Tuesday, October 31, 2023 9:25 PM

Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky replaced Colonel General Oleg Makarevich, who was sacked over providing false reports to his superiors, according to Vladimir Rogov, a Kremlin-backed official in the Kherson region.

“The results on the ground did not correspond to the information delivered by the Dnipro group’s [previous] command,” Rogov wrote on the messaging app Telegram.

Rogov linked Teplinsky’s promotion to the increasingly fierce fighting in the Kherson region, which is located north of annexed Crimea.

“The enemy has recently increased combat activity in this part of the southern front, crossing to our side of the Dnipro River and trying to create bridgeheads there for attempts to attack the area of Crimea,” Rogov said.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/10/30/putin-replaces-head-of-russi
an-army-grouping-in-southern-ukraine-tass-a82934


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Having been raised Catholic I understood the biblical reference. Bible stories were geared to primitive farmers, herders, olive growers, wandering/ warring tribes, fisherman etc. Presumably they resonated with real life back then. But IMHO in real life goats are still incredibly useful creatures. They can browse areas inaccessible to sheep. They're a little harder to manage and it's harder to become wealthy (if you count your wealth in numbers of sheep, camels, jars of olive oil and wine etc) but that's all.

But why are you quoting the Bible? Neither of us believe it, right?

And furthermore, the part of the Bible that you quote threatens eternal damnation for the "goats"... Which totally undercuts your NEXT quote, about only being good for fear of punishment.

You're fundamentally confused, SECOND. Apparently any particular thought in your brain has never bumped into any other thought bc you frequently contradict yourself.
It's impossible to know what your point is!

Almost everyone I know believes they do not control their life. Instead, it's God, Satan, the environment, the government, or their family who are really in control. The result for them? Endless misfortunes, absurdities, personal drama, pleading/praying for God's mercy/forgiveness, but very little actual self-control because who needs self-control when larger forces overpower their tiny strength, pulling their puppet strings, pushing them in random directions?

I think the Bible is a guide, very out-of-date, on what people who believe in self-control should do with their lives. My own family followed the Bible, and it worked out pretty well for them. (I was there when they became Jehovah's Witnesses. I saw the change.) I've also seen the fake Christians proclaim they, too, follow the Bible. Transparently, they aren't and it works out very poorly for them because hiding their rottenness doesn't work well. I have confronted a few about the connection between their failures and their personal rottenness, but since they all have excuses for being rotten, they won't see that what happened to them is caused by them. They feel helpless, with no control, a plaything of fate, luck, and doom. I shrug and mutter to myself, "Whatever you want to believe, you fucking idiot."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:29 PM

Until you show us your doctorate in psychology, get fucked.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 2:12 AM

Most fortunate people believe they got there by their own effort, when in reality MOST people who become very wealthy, like singers or actors who become "stars", are no better than most others in their profession or avocation. Not drinking or overeating or cheating on your taxes or what-have-you is NOT a guarantee of success!

Yes, people have to put in effort to get to a certain point (unless luck hits you with a lottery win) but effort BY ITSELF ALSO isn't generally a springboard to great wealth or success either.

So people have control over themselves (or they should) but NOBODY has complete control over their lives, and thinking that is stupid.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 4:30 AM

Putin Ally Suggests Russia Will Someday Conquer Germany

Oct 31, 2023 at 5:59 PM EDT

The TV host criticized the German government for increasing the amount of supplies it's giving to Kyiv, noting that Germany at first would only commit to giving medicine and helmets to Ukraine's military.

"After a while, 'We'll supply anything they need,'" Solovyov said, per Gerashchenko's translation. "So we have no other option. We will finish, we will take Berlin once again, and this time we will not leave."

When a guest on his show argued that Russia would not attempt to invade Germany, Solovyov responded by saying, "If Germany continues to be ruled by Nazis, Germany will have the same fate as every time anti-Russian rulers came to power in Germany."

He added: "It always ended with a Russian soldier entering Berlin."

The U.S. State Department has said Solovyov spreads disinformation from the Kremlin and wrote on its website last year in a list identifying well-known figures involved in Russian propaganda that Solovyov "may be the most energetic Kremlin propagandist around today."

During the course of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Solovyov has made such statements as saying Moscow should unleash a nuclear attack on any country that would attempt to detain Putin over the arrest warrant issued by the International Criminal Court in March for alleged war crimes.

He also has advocated multiple times for Russia to make use of its nuclear capabilities against the countries that back Ukraine.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-suggests-russia-someday-concquer-g
ermany-1839743


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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 4:33 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Most fortunate people believe they got there by their own effort, when in reality MOST people who become very wealthy, like singers or actors who become "stars", are no better than most others in their profession or avocation. Not drinking or overeating or cheating on your taxes or what-have-you is NOT a guarantee of success!

Yes, people have to put in effort to get to a certain point (unless luck hits you with a lottery win) but effort BY ITSELF ALSO isn't generally a springboard to great wealth or success either.

So people have control over themselves (or they should) but NOBODY has complete control over their lives, and thinking that is stupid.

There is no guarantee of success (if your parents/genetics/dropped-on-your-head-as-a-baby murder your chances) but there is the certainty of failure if you lie down, give up, surrender, poison yourself, whatever description for the billions of roads to failure. 6ix does not seem to be even slightly aware of what he has done to himself. Others who don't sabotage themselves every moment of the day also are unaware of what they do to themselves because their enduring self-sabotage is less intense, but still enough to guarantee failure. There are nations that sabotage themselves. See North Korea and Russia. The only straightforward way to avoid what happens in those places is to leave them. Russia lost its best long ago. North Korea? The best moved to South Korea until North Korea stopped the flow.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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