The 2023 Disney Failure Thread
POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
UPDATED: Thursday, January 25, 2024 20:58
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Probably going to be a contest between
Disney/Marvel
and
WarnerBros/DC
for the worst flops
What is doing ok
companies
The new Spider-Man which is both Marvel and Sony,
the new 'Avatar' Lightstorm TSG Entertainment 20th Century Studios
Minions Despicable Me franchise Universal Studios
Puss in Boots Dreamworks
A Quiet Place Part something
Top Gun Paramount Pictures Jerry Bruckheimer Films Skydance
video Game movies like The Super Mario Bros Movie
Oppenheimer
'Barbie' which was Warner Bros
Movie loss for 'The Flash' and 'Black Adam' might be some of the largest flops of all time easily losing more than 100 Million, 'Strange World' by Disney is said to have lost 200 Million, The Matrix Resurrections owned by Warner Bros lost 130 Million, Suicide Squad Warner Bros DC Lost 120 Million
indie films with small budgets are making the most money, Hollyweird culture is out of touch and forcing political messages in expensive movies that flop.
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Don't forget Indy 5 which has lost $230M to $380M for Disney. That's the king loser of all time right now.
Or the fact that we haven't seen a Star Wars movie in 4 whole years because they're terrified to even make another one.
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Numbers from 8/14/2023:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.
[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 08/14/2023]
Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:
The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598
The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628
The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629
NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.
However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.
For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.
NOTE 2: For clarity and to lessen bloat, I'm going to remove any comments I've made about weird international numbers fluctuating. You're going to see weird things happen here, like movies making a lot of money one week despite almost making nothing in the domestic box office, and other weeks where they lose money with no explanation. This just seems par for the course with international numbers, and I don't feel like cataloging it anymore.
I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.
Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:
Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,095,527 (338% of Production Budget)
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,095,527 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,095,527 [FINAL]
The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $563,000,108 (225% of Production Budget)
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,000,108
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$61,999,892
The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (235% of Production Budget)
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]
Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Disney 2023 Box Office Losses as of 08/21/2023:
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$101,854,038
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$802,354,038
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Quote:• Disney gross profit for the quarter ending June 30, 2023 was $7.859B, a 0.47% increase year-over-year.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Disney 2023 Box Office Losses as of 08/21/2023:
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$101,854,038
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$802,354,038
• Disney gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $28.776B, a 3.06% increase year-over-year.
• Disney annual gross profit for 2022 was $28.321 B, a 27.07% increase from 2021.
• Disney annual gross profit for 2021 was $22.287B, a 3.62% increase from 2020.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DIS/disney/gross-profit
6ix, while you concentrate on "Losses" making movies, you missed the bigger picture.
And "Losses" for movies are unlike losses for airlines that spend billions on fuel and loans for airplanes, you know, externalities. Disney spends billions on one part of Disney paying a different part of Disney for office space and props used to make movies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:• Disney gross profit for the quarter ending June 30, 2023 was $7.859B, a 0.47% increase year-over-year.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Disney 2023 Box Office Losses as of 08/21/2023:
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$101,854,038
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$802,354,038
• Disney gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $28.776B, a 3.06% increase year-over-year.
• Disney annual gross profit for 2022 was $28.321 B, a 27.07% increase from 2021.
• Disney annual gross profit for 2021 was $22.287B, a 3.62% increase from 2020.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DIS/disney/gross-profit
6ix, while you concentrate on "Losses" making movies, you missed the bigger picture.
And "Losses" for movies are unlike losses for airlines that spend billions on fuel and loans for airplanes, you know, externalities. Disney spends billions on one part of Disney paying a different part of Disney for office space and props used to make movies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Those numbers are false.
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Numbers from 08/21/2023:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.
[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 08/21/2023]
Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:
The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598
The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628
The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629
NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.
However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.
For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.
NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.
I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.
Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:
Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 08/21.
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $844,613,256 (338% of Production Budget)
*Lost $482,271 from last week on international numbers 08/21.
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$344,613,256 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$219,613,256 [FINAL]
The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $561,375,067(224% of Production Budget)
*Lost $1,625,041 from last week on international numbers 08/21.
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$61,375,067
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$63,624,933
The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
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Disney Losses for 2023 as of 08/28:
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$72,446,071
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$785,316,465
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Bruce still has "Untitled Disney Movie" listed on December 1st as well, but it appears that it might have just been a placeholder for a movie called "The Bikeriders" which is being released by 20th Century Studios (Which does now appear on the Release Schedule along side it).
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeff-nichols-drama-bikeriders-set-
164723037.html
It's got Jodie Comer, Tom Hardy and Norman Reedus in it.
No production budget info available now, but if the main actors didn't hold out for a ton of money it should be somewhat reasonable. It's a period piece in the 60's, and I don't imagine it's going to have any CGI effects in it.
It could actually be good, given the cast.
A Haunting in Venice comes out on September 15th. That one's got a $70 Million budget.
It stars Kenneth Branaugh and Michelle Yeoh.
Quote:
In post-World War II Venice, Poirot, now retired and living in his own exile, reluctantly attends a seance. But when one of the guests is murdered, it is up to the former detective to once again uncover the killer.
Sounds like both of these are more like movies they used to make before everything went Superhero and woke trash. As much as I hate modern Disney, if these aren't woke garbage I hope they do good.
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08/28/2023 figures:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.
[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 08/28/2023]
Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:
The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598
The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628
The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629
NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.
However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.
For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.
NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.
I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.
Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:
Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 08/28.
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $844,321,673 (338% of Production Budget)
*Lost $291,583 from last week on international numbers 08/28.
*Lost $482,271 from last week on international numbers 08/21.
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$344,321,673 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$219,321,673 [FINAL]
The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $561,783,281 (223% of Production Budget)
*Gained $408,214 from last week. 08/21.
*Lost $1,625,041 from last week on international numbers 08/21.
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$61,783,281
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$63,216,719
The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME