What I would do if I were President
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Thursday, November 7, 2024 15:03
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Oh, and BTW THUGR: That's how we* fight ALL of our wars.
We* decide to topple some government and we* think up of a rationalization/ excuse afterwards that will prompt YOU, dear friend, to jump up and salute.
Do you REALLY think that our government believed that Saddam had WMD, or that Qaddafi was massacring his own people, or that Assad gassed his own people, or that Yanukovich was some big tyrant rounding people up and killing them, or that N Vietnam really "attacked" a USA in the Gulf of Tonkin?
BTW, blowback is why I want to harden the USA defensively and especially economically bc we're more like likely to see blowback in the financial and economic realm.
*TPTB
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Quote:fff.net stuck, so I didn't get a chance to finish.
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That's why it needs to be LOOKED AT. AUDITED. An ENERGY AUDIT. I believe that's what I posted.
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SECOND The only audit that counts is at Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii,
you're arguing with someone who used to control air pollution for a living, son. successfully, i might add.
there are several steps to controlling greenhouse gas emissions, just as there are severa steps to controlling other forms of air pollution.
first, you have to measure the air: what is the current concentration? there are sensors all over the planet, there are even research planes that fly through remote airpaces and take samples, as well as weather balloons and satellite sensors. bc the concentration changes in different locations and altitudes.
then you do what is called an emission inventory : what are your BIGGEST SOURCES? attempting to control emissions from smalll sources is a pointless exercise. attempting to control greenhouse gas emissions from the poorest billion people, for examples, is unlikely to have much impact on climate change
then you start exploring technologies and approaches to control the problem. from my experience, while trading 'credits' for this and that pollutant may appeal to the 'capitalist', 'free marketeer', and libertarian amongst us, it NEVER WORKS bc that aproach is far too vulnerable to scams and corruption:
So, again, the only approach I've seen work reliably is "command and control"... i.e you write rules and enforce them.
But you don't make rules up out of your head. First, you need a strategic plan where you set yourself goals using certain approaches based on models that you think would be the most effective.
For example, let's say you want to evaluate the options for controlling atmospheric carbon dioxide:
Direct conservation i.e setting requirements for passenger vehicle mileage for an estimated ton reduction at an estimated cost per ton
Reduction in the use of fuel by the DoD for an estimated ton reduction at an estimated costs per ton
Indirect conservation by requiring only 'cool roofs' be sold in 'sunshine states' for an estimated ton reduction at an estimated cost per ton
Absorbing CO2 thru incentivizing sustainable farming practices for an estimated ton reduction at an estimated cost per ton
Reducing wildfires thru better forest management for an estimated ton reduction at an estimated costs per ton.
Plus a number of other options already discussed.
Clearly, you want to start with the biggest sources by the cheapest cost-per-ton, the most bang per buck, as it were.
SOMEBODY has to come up with the inventory and SOMEBODY has to consider the largest number of options and SOMEBODY has to estimate the potential costs. Based on that, you can start developing a set of rules that you think will work. You "shop" those rules to affected industry, interest groups, and the general public, weigh the comments, modify the rules where necessary, and the adopt and enforce them
Now, one thing about any rule is that it has to be ENFORCEABLE, which means that has to be a known method for measuring compliance, whether that method involves auditing DoD fuel purchases ("record keeping") or direct measurement (i.e.sample and measure carbon content of farm soils).
And finally, you have to CLOSE THE LOOP by measuring CO2 at specific reference points (for example, on the west coast to account for CO2 from upwind sources like China or forest-clearance by fire) and then 'downwind' to see if you're having the desired result. If not, you need to figure out what went wrong and tweak your "master plan".
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SECOND, you claim to have a degree in engineering and experience designing chemical plants. And yet, you throw out practical approaches and logical steps
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, and BTW THUGR: That's how we* fight ALL of our wars.
We* decide to topple some government and we* think up of a rationalization/ excuse afterwards that will prompt YOU, dear friend, to jump up and salute.
Do you REALLY think that our government believed that Saddam had WMD, or that Qaddafi was massacring his own people, or that Assad gassed his own people, or that Yanukovich was some big tyrant rounding people up and killing them, or that N Vietnam really "attacked" a USA in the Gulf of Tonkin?
BTW, blowback is why I want to harden the USA defensively and especially economically bc we're more like likely to see blowback in the financial and economic realm.
Poor Signym and yes Jack as well. They desperately want to put on bootjack type uniforms; so they can start beating others with clubs for no good reason. Sorry but it isn’t going to happen here. Russia, that’s where that’s happening.
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The world rejoices that you are not President.
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Quote:You have a teeny-tiny view of "the world", JSF. How does it feel to be just like Biden*?
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The world rejoices that you are not President.
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Quote:WTH THUGR?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, and BTW THUGR: That's how we* fight ALL of our wars.
We* decide to topple some government and we* think up of a rationalization/ excuse afterwards that will prompt YOU, dear friend, to jump up and salute.
Do you REALLY think that our government believed that Saddam had WMD, or that Qaddafi was massacring his own people, or that Assad gassed his own people, or that Yanukovich was some big tyrant rounding people up and killing them, or that N Vietnam really "attacked" a USA in the Gulf of Tonkin?
BTW, blowback is why I want to harden the USA defensively and especially economically bc we're more like likely to see blowback in the financial and economic realm.
THUGR: Poor Signym and yes Jack as well. They desperately want to put on bootjack type uniforms; so they can start beating others with clubs for no good reason.
I'M not the one calling names or demanding that you be censored, and I'M not the one calling for our military invading or our CIA destabilizing whatever government they feel like anywhere in the world. THAT'S jackboot behavior, son. You just don't seem to recognize it when you're the one doing it.
Quote:Son, it's ALREADY happening here, and you're the one cheering it on. You can't stand freedom: freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to privacy, due process, equal justice, and all of the freedoms that our founding fathers tried to build into the constitution. Bc if anybody doesn't 'think' like you (You DO think, right???) you shout them down, shut them up, call them names.
THUGR; Sorry but it isn’t going to happen here.
You love the WORD 'freedom', YOU REACT TO IT LIKE A PAVLOVIAN-TRAINED DOG, but you sure hate to see it in practice.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Quote:Signym, your method is known as paralysis analysis. It is a super-effective bureaucratic method to prevent action.
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SECOND, you claim to have a degree in engineering and experience designing chemical plants. And yet, you throw out practical approaches and logical steps when tackling real -world problems.
An alternate method is carbon pricing, which the Republican Party and some Democrats absolutely reject. It is a super-effective method to speed up action when the price of carbon released into the atmosphere is made large enough. It would be loved by those subtracting carbon from the atmosphere. Look at all the beautiful money they are making by reburying carbon into the ground. It would be hated by those who are adding carbon to the atmosphere because they are being fined, just like somebody dumping their sewage into the drinking water supply.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Here is somebody who absolutely misunderstands how Presidential power works:
Months after claiming he could end Russia’s war on Ukraine in 24 hours, former president Donald Trump has finally offered an explanation for why he thinks it’d be so simple for him.
Mr Trump was asked for his specific plan to bring the war to an end in an interview with Fox News host Maria Bartiromo on “Sunday Morning Futures” over the weekend.
His asserted that it would boil down to his established relationships with Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“I know Zelensky very well, I know Putin very well—even better—and I had a very good relationship with both of them,” he said.
He said he would tell Mr Zelensky: “No more, you gotta make a deal,” and Mr Putin: “If you don’t make a deal, we’re gonna give them a lot. We’re gonna give more than they ever got.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-t
rump-russia-ukraine-war-b2377077.html
I'd have more respect for Trump if he said that he could end the war in 24 hours by sending more weapons, but to Russia, not Ukraine. Russia can have all the F-16s, the plane that Ukraine desperately wants.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECOND, I've SEEN pollutant pricing in action and already addresssed it. There isn' anything about it that you can tell me that's new. more later
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Quote:Signym, this is how you get people to stop emitting greenhouse gases, specifically methane, but the exact same scheme would work well with carbon dioxide:
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SECOND, I've SEEN pollutant pricing in action and already addresssed it. There isn' anything about it that you can tell me that's new. more later
The Inflation Reduction Act Applies the Polluter Pays Principle: Tax Will Accelerate Reduction of Methane Emissions
The fees for these emissions will begin at $900 per metric ton of methane emitted in 2024 and will increase to $1,200 in 2025, and $1,500 in 2026.
https://www.akingump.com/en/insights/blogs/speaking-sustainability/the
-inflation-reduction-act-applies-the-polluter-pays-principal-carbon-fee-will-accelerate-reduction-of-methane-emissions
Signym, by the way, the GOP will repeal this as soon as possible and go back to bureaucratic stalling by endlessly studying the problem. In other words "paralysis through analysis".
I could write the press release for the GOP: "We in the Republican Party are deeply concerned about the environment but we will never impose rules on industry that will destroy its profitability and cause job losses."
It is the same old story from the Republicans who don't want to say "Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax" because that would be a childish lie, but also don't want to do anything effective about climate change because . . . nothing matters, for a short answer rather than a million words that all add up to NO! NO! YOU CAN'T MAKE ME DO IT! from the Republican Party.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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