Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Originally posted by second:
Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion
Daniel R. DePetris , fellow, Defense Priorities
On 7/10/23 at 5:00 AM EDT
Bringing Ukraine into NATO would scratch the itch of teaching Russia a lesson. But it would do nothing to end the war or shorten its duration—precisely the opposite. If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.
Putin would be given two choices: lose and watch NATO's border with Russia get even longer than it is today (and courtesy of Finland's own entry into the alliance this year, the NATO-Russia border has already increased by more than 800 miles), or continue to pour men and resources into the conflict to win or at least maintain a stalemate. Any semblance of a diplomatic settlement to the war would evaporate.
The U.S. would also be burdening itself with another security commitment in Europe at a time when the center of gravity in U.S. foreign policy is now focused on Asia. Perhaps this would be necessary if Ukraine's security was an ingredient to ensuring that Europe remains whole, free, and largely at peace. But nobody can make this argument with a straight face. Russia couldn't invade or occupy a European country even if it wanted to. If that was true before the war in Ukraine began, it's even more true now, with tens of thousands of Russian troops dead, tens of thousands more wounded, and the Russian army reportedly losing half its combat power in about a year and a half. Europe can and should continue to aid Ukraine, but realistically, Europe simply doesn't need Ukraine as a formal ally to maintain its economic or military advantage over Russia.
It's past time for NATO to close the proverbial open door, not keep it open in perpetuity.
Daniel R. DePetris is a fellow at Defense Priorities and a syndicated foreign affairs columnist at the Chicago Tribune.
More at https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-should-not-nato-opinion-1811669
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I'm going to ignore whatever dumbass reply you left in the previous post because I actually appreciate this one coming from you.
That is... assuming you agree with it, of course.
Right. That's what I've been saying all along.
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You want to see an invasion that is happening now that is actually scary?
Fuck Russia. Fuck Ukraine.
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Quote:I am pretty sure you missed the point, which is "If Putin knows". Don't let Putin know. But once the Ukrainian War is over, then NATO would announce that Ukraine can join. Putin will be so angry at being "tricked" and declare that he was "promised" that Ukraine would never join NATO. Nobody with authority gave Putin that promise, but Putin will say it despite that.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion
If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.
I'm going to ignore whatever dumbass reply you left in the previous post because I actually appreciate this one coming from you.
That is... assuming you agree with it, of course.
Right. That's what I've been saying all along.
At this moment, not even one of the 31 NATO countries has sent even a single platoon of soldiers to Ukraine because none want to fight there. NATO can't forbid its members from sending an army, so none of the NATO countries can use that as an excuse for not sending even one soldier there. For sure, some Prime Ministers of NATO countries send obsolete weapons from their stockpiles because that will win votes in the next election, but that's their limit and their motivation for doing the least thing they can think of. They stopped buying Russian fuel and stopped sending tens of billions of dollars to Russia each month to please voters who would disapprove of a Prime Minister sending money to Russia as it murders Ukrainians.
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Moscow’s military leadership has reportedly dismissed Major-General Ivan Popov, commander-in-chief of Russia’s 58th Combined Arms Army stationed in southern Ukraine, over his concerns for troops fighting without rest and criticism of Russian battlefield strategy.
Popov addressed soldiers in a voice message that was circulated on the Telegram messaging app on Wednesday saying he had been relieved of his post for criticising Russia’s military inefficiencies in Ukraine.
“I drew attention to the greatest tragedy of modern war – the lack of artillery reconnaissance and counter-strikes and the multiple deaths and injuries caused by enemy artillery,” Popov said, according to the message circulated on the Telegram channel of Duma legislator Andrei Gurulyov.
Popov, whose unit was fighting in the southern Ukrainian region of Zaporizhia, was harshly critical of his superiors.
“The soldiers of the Ukrainian armed forces could not break through our front, but from behind the commander-in-chief dealt us a treacherous blow by decapitating the army at the most critical and tense moment,” Popov said in his message.
Earlier on Wednesday, other Telegram channels had reported that Russia’s Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov had called Popov an “alarmist” and replaced him.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/13/russia-general-in-ukraine-rem
oved-over-strategy-criticism-report
Popov’s removal was reportedly linked to his complaints over Moscow’s failure to rotate and rest Russian troops from the front lines in Ukraine. Popov had told Chief of Staff Gerasimov that his troops had been in battle for extended periods of time and had suffered significant casualties and were in need of rotation away from the front. Gerasimov reportedly accused Popov of alarmism and blackmailing the Russian military command. Russian forces lack operational reserves that would allow them to carry out rotations of personnel defending against Ukrainian counteroffensives. Popov’s dismissal and criticism of the Russian military leadership echo the anger expressed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of Russia’s Wagner mercenary forces, who had for months berated top commanders in Moscow for poor military planning before launching a short-lived uprising by his mercenaries in June to remove senior Russian defence official.
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Quote:But wasn't the DoD 'monitoring' xfers in Afghanistan too?
The Joe Biden administration has come out in opposition to Congress creating an inspector general’s office to oversee weapons transfers to the Ukrainian government.
The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) includes a provision that will create an inspector general for the proxy war in Ukraine modeled after the Special Inspector General for Afghan Reconstruction (SIGAR).
SIGAR John Sopko detailed the rampant American failures during the Afghan War for years. His quarterly reports routinely embarrassed American officials who tried to portray the situation in Afghanistan as improving.
Sopko has warned that an inspector general’s official for the Ukraine war needed to be established to prevent a repeat of the situation American aid created in Afghanistan, which saw massive corruption. “There is an understandable desire amid a crisis to focus on getting money out the door and to worry about oversight later, but too often that creates more problems than it solves,” he wrote in a report submitted to Congress earlier this year. “Given the ongoing conflict and the unprecedented volume of weapons being transferred to Ukraine, the risk that some equipment ends up on the black market or in the wrong hands is likely unavoidable.”
Sopko continued, “You’re bound to get corrupt elements of not only the Ukrainian or the host government, but also of US government contractors or other third party contractors to try to steal the money. There’s just so much money going in, and it’s hard to keep track of.”
The White House argued that creating an inspector general for Ukraine was unnecessary as the Department of Defense was already monitoring transfers.
Quote:AID. It's presented as a humaitarian agency but in reality is a CIA front. I know somebody who worked there.
“This expansion is both unnecessary and unprecedented, as oversight of US assistance for the benefit of a country’s people is already provided by the Inspectors General for the Department of State and United States Agency for International Development,” a White House statement said.
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However, a report published in June by the Pentagon inspector general found several issues with US weapons shipments to Ukraine. “DoD personnel did not have the required accountability of the thousands of defense items that they received and transferred at Jasionka, [Poland],” the report explained. “We observed that DoD personnel did not fully implement their standard operating procedures to account for defense items and could not confirm the quantities of defense items received against the quantity of items shipped for three of five shipments we observed.”
The US has shipped tens [hundreds] of billions worth of weapons to Ukraine since the Russian invasion last year. While Washington and Kiev maintain all weapons are being used on the battlefield, governments in Europe, the Middle East and Africa report weapons from Ukraine have been used by criminals and militants.
Additionally, American weapons were used by openly neo-Nazi fighters carrying out cross-border attacks within the Russian mainland. Initially, American officials said they were “skeptical” of reports that the arms these militias used had been provided by the US. However, officials later admitted that, indeed American weapons were used during the raid.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/white-house-looks-to-prevent-ove
rsight-of-ukraine-aid/
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Russia’s Chaotic Meltdown Over American Cluster Bombs Begins
SEE YOU SWEAT
The Kremlin’s response to news of the cluster munition delivery has panic written all over it.
Marcel Plichta, Updated Jul. 13, 2023 5:50AM EDT
Russian Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu threatened to use their own cluster munitions against Ukraine, claiming that they had refrained from using them so far. Ha-ha-ha! Russians are such monstrous liars.
The Kremlin — unable to stymie the delivery of the munitions — has been left to respond using the usual playbook — with lies and showboating.
“It should be noted that Russia is armed with cluster munitions, as they say, for all occasions. At the same time, they are much more effective than American ones, their range is wider and more diverse,” Shoigu said this week, adding that Russian forces are taking “additional measures of an organizational and technical nature to protect personnel and equipment from striking elements of cluster munitions.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-is-already-melting-down-over-amer
ican-cluster-bombs-in-ukraine
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I am pretty sure you missed the point, which is "If Putin knows". Don't let Putin know. But once the Ukrainian War is over, then NATO would announce that Ukraine can join.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion
If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.
I'm going to ignore whatever dumbass reply you left in the previous post because I actually appreciate this one coming from you.
That is... assuming you agree with it, of course.
Right. That's what I've been saying all along.
No. That was not at all the point.
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It's past time for NATO to close the proverbial open door, not keep it open in perpetuity.
Learn how to read.
You're a fucking idiot.
You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.
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Quote:NATO members are countries that despise Russia because Russians murder people by the tens of millions and steal their land. If Putin was informed now that Ukraine will join NATO, Russia will increase its murder rate of Ukrainians while it can.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Learn how to read.
You're a fucking idiot.
You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:NATO members are countries that despise Russia because Russians murder people by the tens of millions and steal their land. If Putin was informed now that Ukraine will join NATO, Russia will increase its murder rate of Ukrainians while it can.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Learn how to read.
You're a fucking idiot.
You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
No shit. Not the point, retard.
That article you posted was 100% against your wishes for NATO and Ukraine, yet you posted it anyway because you are stupid.
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Quote:1) None of the NATO countries have sent even one platoon of soldiers to Ukraine because all the governments are avoiding Russia for unstated reasons. Reasons could be fear, could be their army's lack of readiness, or could be election politics. If NATO allowed Ukraine to join today, all the countries have agreed to fight Russia if a NATO nation is attacked. Avoiding the fight while faking bravery/empathy is the first reason NATO has not invited Ukraine to join.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No shit. Not the point, retard.
That article you posted was 100% against your wishes for NATO and Ukraine, yet you posted it anyway because you are stupid.
2) If NATO even offers an invitation to Ukraine for some unspecified date in the misty future, Russia will instantly increase its murder rate of Ukrainians in order to kill the maximum number before Ukraine joins. Not getting Ukrainians murdered is the second reason NATO has not yet invited Ukraine to join.
Because of both 1) and 2) Ukraine's entrance to NATO won't be announced until either after Russia can't retaliate against Ukraine or NATO nations get braver or some key elections have passed in member nations.
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