Moscow Burns / Coup In Progress
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UPDATED: Monday, August 10, 2026 04:06
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.
So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?
This thread was BS, Moscow Burns WTF
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
fwiw, progozhin isn't any kind of military commander. he's had no military training, and putting him in charge of military decisions ...? bad idea.
The War in Ukraine is a disaster for both sides, Ukraine has some slight wins of late and I try to be objective and I see in reports At Least 100,000 Dead on Both sides maybe even more Russians dead. Ukraine has taken back some land but it is mostly a meat grinder.
The event has made Putin look chaotic and weaker, you also had the possibility of foreigners, islamics, the Merc type over-running Russian bases with Bio Chemical and other WMD weapons.
Some predicted Russia would fall with sanctions that was under estimating Russia's ability, some others said Ukraine would fall in four days once the line of Tanks were outside the Ukraine Capital. It's possible Putin might ride this out as other dictators have done, Russia part II is collapsing politically again just as the USSR Union of Soviets Collapsed.
Wagner might be convicts, gangsters, thugs, ex-convicts and guns for hire but they are well equipped, they knocked out a Russian aircraft, were bale to invade the South West flank of Russia, they shot helicopters out of the sky and after Bakhmut they are now battle hardened. Putin might look weaker but in the end Russian dictator tyrant culture has a chaos element and is unpredictable, the Mutiny could in the long run even Increase Putin’s Longevity.
News and Gossip and Propaganda about 'Moscow Burning' was nonsense
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Quote:thats THUGR, posting from an endless wellspring of bullshit and desire
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.
So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?
This thread was BS, Moscow Burns WTF
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Putin Narrowly Escapes Assassination Attempt as Russian Secret Service Thwarts Moscow Bridge Explosion
The Kremlin leader grew increasingly paranoid about being assassinated. The 70-year-old's greatest fear manifested into reality on Friday.
According to the Kremlin's security agency, Federal Protection Service (FSO) members thwarted a plan to kill Putin. The failed assassination attempt allegedly centered on an unnamed bridge that Putin and his motorcade were expected to travel over.
https://radaronline.com/p/vladimir-putin-assassination-thwarted-moscow
-bridge-explosion/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (June 25th):
LOL
The coup isn't even really happening, you dumb shit.
Putin's putting on a show for dummies like you.
You've been psy-oped, bitch.
The Wagner 'Coup' Was Staged by Putin—and the West Fell for It
https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-coup-was-staged-putin-west-fell-it-opi
nion-1810035
Well... not everybody in the West.
I'm right again. Imagine that, huh?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (June 28th):Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
The one thing I can't square is his calling Prigozhin a traitor and the next day just send him into exile. He's had to explain that recently so I think he's taken some criticism for not dealing with Prigozhin harshly. I'm still trying to figure out the about-face.
Because the whole thing was a psyop.
If Prigozhin were really attempting an actual coup, he'd be dead right now.
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FROM THE ARTICLE: That Prigozhin is still alive, having supposedly betrayed the Russian motherland, is inconceivable under the rule of Putin, who famously said in 2019 that "treason is the biggest crime on earth" and who hunts down traitors anywhere on the globe, including in the United States.
I wish I could describe to Ted what it's like being right all the time.
And you should all keep in mind the source here. The article was written by this chick:
Rebekah Koffler is the president of Doctrine & Strategy Consulting, a former DIA intelligence officer, and the author of "Putin's Playbook: Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America." She also wrote the foreword for "Zelensky: The Unlikely Ukrainian Hero Who Defied Putin and United the World."
She's one of yours.
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meanwhile, western press is saying
Quote:keep this in mind. they've also 'reported' that shoigu and gerasimov have been fired, or will be fired.
Currently, there is widespread reporting that Gen. Sergei Surovikin, the deputy commander of the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine, has been detained in relation to the Wagner uprising. The New York Times and others days ago alleged, based on anonymous US intelligence officials, that Surovikin had foreknowledge of the Wagner rebellion, and suggested he may have even helped, in a move against Putin's grip on power.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Putin Cannibalizes the Russian Economy to Survive Personally
Amidst such undisguised plundering of the Russian economy, stripping it down for war toys, it is perhaps no surprise that Prigozhin’s failed putsch this past weekend revealed no lost love for Putin domestically from the Russian populace and elites. After all, not only did military leaders and civilians alike passively wave columns of Wagnerites through checkpoint after checkpoint on the road from Rostov to Moscow without a shred of resistance; even Putin’s own regional governors were lethargic in their response, and even now, a whopping 21 of them have yet to express any support for Putin. Ironically, the only group of Russians who rushed to Putin’s defense with any genuine enthusiasm prior to Belarusian President Lukashenko’s diplomatic intervention were brigades of Chechens who sped to Moscow and Rostov, led by Putin’s longtime ally and newly-minted selfie-pal Ramzan Kadyrov.
Historian Daniel Goldhagen’s 1996 book Hitler’s Willing Executioners reminds us that the evil of the Third Reich triumphed through the complicity of average Germans through their complacency. We now see Russians’ willing complacency with the murderous autocratic Putin.
https://time.com/6291642/putin-cannibalizes-russian-economy/
A free copy of Daniel Goldhagen’s books is available for download from the mirrors at http://libgen.is/search.php?req=Daniel+Goldhagen
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Introduction
Reconceiving Central Aspects Of The Holocaust
Captain Wolfgang Hoffmann was a zealous executioner of Jews. As the commander of one of the three companies of Police Battalion 101, he and his fellow officers led their men, who were not SS men but ordinary Germans, in the deportation and gruesome slaughter in Poland of tens of thousands of Jewish men, women, and children. Yet this same man, in the midst of his genocidal activities, once stridently disobeyed a superior order that he deemed morally objectionable.
The order commanded that members of his company sign a declaration that had been sent to them. Hoffmann began his written refusal by saying that upon reading it, he had thought that an error had been made, "because it appeared to me a piece of impertinence to demand of a decent German soldier to sign a declaration in which he obligates himself not to steal, not to plunder, and not to buy without paying...." He continued by describing how unnecessary such a demand was, since his men, of proper ideological conviction, were fully aware that such activities were punishable offenses. He also pronounced to his superiors his judgment of his men's character and actions, including, presumably, their slaughtering of Jews. He wrote that his men's adherence to German norms of morality and conduct "derives from their own free will and is not caused by a craving for advantages or fear of punishment." Hoffmann then declared defiantly: ''As an officer I regret, however, that I must set my view against that of the battalion commander and am not able to carry out the order, since I feel injured in my sense of honor. I must decline to sign a general declaration."1
Hoffmann's letter is astonishing and instructive for a number of reasons. Here is an officer who had already led his men in the genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands of Jews, yet who deemed it an effrontery that anyone might suppose that he and his men would steal food from Poles! The genocidal killer's honor was wounded, and wounded doubly, for he was both a soldier and a German. His conception of the obligations that Germans owed the "subhuman" Poles must have been immeasurably greater than those owed Jews. Hoffmann also understood his parent institution to be so tolerant that he was willing to refuse a direct order and even to record his brazen insubordination in writing. His judgment of his men—a judgment based, no doubt, on the compass of their activities, including their genocidal ones—was that they acted not out of fear of punishment, but with willing assent; theNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Xi Jinping's Schadenfreude Over the Mutiny Against Putin
Craig Singleton
In war, more things often go wrong than right. If that inconvenient truth was somehow lost on Chinese leader Xi Jinping more than 16 months into Russia’s planned two-day takeover of Ukraine, then last weekend’s rebellion and march toward Moscow by the Wagner Group surely set him straight. Indeed, while Xi often champions the ostensible novelty of the Chinese system, deep down he fears that China is afflicted by the very same ideological ills that once plagued the Soviet Union—and continue to curse its Russian remnants.
Chief among these ills, according to Xi himself, are “political corruption, ideological heresy, and military disloyalty,” all of which were on full display during last weekend’s Russian rumble.
Moscow’s short-lived mutiny, led by a wealthy, well-armed former member of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s innermost circle, represents the sum of Xi’s greatest fears about China’s post-Deng Xiaoping political framework. No doubt, Putin is Xi’s “best, most intimate friend.” But Xi has hardly been shy about criticizing Putin’s perverse preference for power sharing, whereby the Russian leader lets competing factions vie to keep each other in check. If nothing else, last weekend’s dramatic events re-affirmed Xi’s intense distrust of any form of pluralism—even within a country’s power elite—and will likely lead him to pursue ever more radical policies aimed at making the world less safe for democracy.
Generally speaking, Xi and Putin agree on most everything, with one major exception: the reason for the Soviet Union’s demise. In Xi’s estimation, the Soviet Communist Party’s rule did not collapse as a result of any specific external pressure, nor because of the structural fragility inherent in the Soviet Union’s state-directed economy. Instead, Xi asserts the “great Soviet socialist nation fell to pieces,” seemingly overnight, because its “ideals and beliefs [were] shaken.” Putin, meanwhile, has long argued economics, not ideology, led to a collapse in the Soviet Union’s social sphere. The elite infighting that followed, Putin posits, gave rise to long-term consequences in the political sphere and, eventually, the Soviet Union’s self-destruction.
Based on these differing diagnoses, Xi and Putin have pursued wildly divergent strongman strategies—the former relying on purges and purposeful political discipline, the latter on graft and growing his coterie of cronies, a group that until recently included Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin. If the failed rebellion is any indication, Xi’s initial ideological instincts were right all along.
No doubt, the seeds of Prigozhin’s short-lived mutiny were sown the moment Putin foolishly embraced paramilitaries as foreign-policy force multipliers. But the veneer of competence and control long synonymous with Putin’s 20-plus years in power truly began to crumble last month, when explosive-laden drones penetrated Russian air defenses and struck several apartment buildings in Moscow. In that moment, the Kremlin’s misadventures in Ukraine became too serious for the Russian power elite—the siloviki, such as Prigozhin—to ignore.
Now, Putin’s problems are Xi’s, too. For if the Soviet Union could implode so suddenly and unexpectedly, Xi surely realizes the same fate could befall Beijing’s junior partner.
Beijing’s near-term challenge is compounded by its limited, almost myopic, insight into Russian decision-making. That extends to accurately assessing whether long-simmering resentment and recriminations over Putin’s failed attempts to subjugate Ukraine might lead other disgruntled elites to exploit Russia’s current power vacuum. Even worse for Beijing is the begrudging realization that it is merely a bystander in Putin’s Ukraine power play—incapable of either helping Moscow win the war outright or effecting a diplomatic solution that ensures Putin, and by extension Xi, can save some much-needed face. Indeed, with prominent Chinese theorists speculating that time may no long
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That's some interesting fan-fic.
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Quote:except for the winner. right now, more things are going wrong for ukraine and NATO
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Xi Jinping's Schadenfreude Over the Mutiny Against Putin
Craig Singleton
In war, more things often go wrong than right.
Quote:russia's military is loyal, politicians weren't involved, and not sure where the ideological heresy comes in. prigozhin's mutiny was all about money ... and getting cut off from government contracts. no 'larger' story there, except the west keeps trying to invent one.
If that inconvenient truth was somehow lost on Chinese leader Xi Jinping more than 16 months into Russia’s planned two-day takeover of Ukraine, then last weekend’s rebellion and march toward Moscow by the Wagner Group surely set him straight. Indeed, while Xi often champions the ostensible novelty of the Chinese system, deep down he fears that China is afflicted by the very same ideological ills that once plagued the Soviet Union—and continue to curse its Russian remnants.
Chief among these ills, according to Xi himself, are “political corruption, ideological heresy, and military disloyalty,” all of which were on full display during last weekend’s Russian rumble.
Quote:putin has met progozhin once. not bff/ 'inner circle' stuff
Moscow’s short-lived mutiny, led by a wealthy, well-armed former member of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s innermost circle,
Quote:actually, his criticism revolves around economic policy, and how much 'capitalism' can be tolerated
represents the sum of Xi’s greatest fears about China’s post-Deng Xiaoping political framework. No doubt, Putin is Xi’s “best, most intimate friend.” But Xi has hardly been shy about criticizing Putin’s perverse preference for power sharing, whereby the Russian leader lets competing factions vie to keep each other in check.
Quote:hey! i thought putin was some sort of iron-gripped tyrant with total control over every person in russia. you're saying he's not??
If nothing else, last weekend’s dramatic events re-affirmed Xi’s intense distrust of any form of pluralism—even within a country’s power elite
Quote:so be afraid! be very afraid!
—and will likely lead him to pursue ever more radical policies aimed at making the world less safe for democracy.
according to some american expats, USA is already trying to 'regime change' on china's border (Thailand, Laos, and Myanmar specifically) this is just the rationalization for those actions /snicker
Quote:economics
Generally speaking, Xi and Putin agree on most everything, with one major exception: the reason for the Soviet Union’s demise. In Xi’s estimation, the Soviet Communist Party’s rule did not collapse as a result of any specific external pressure, nor because of the structural fragility inherent in the Soviet Union’s state-directed economy. Instead, Xi asserts the “great Soviet socialist nation fell to pieces,” seemingly overnight, because its “ideals and beliefs [were] shaken.” Putin, meanwhile, has long argued economics, not ideology, led to a collapse in the Soviet Union’s social sphere. The elite infighting that followed, Putin posits, gave rise to long-term consequences in the political sphere and, eventually, the Soviet Union’s self-destruction.
Quote:both xi and putin have dealt with oligarchs trying to control politics. putin's situation was a bit more dire bc -for a decade- kleptocracy was russia's official policy, thanks to jeffery sachs' advice
Based on these differing diagnoses, Xi and Putin have pursued wildly divergent strongman strategies—the former relying on purges and purposeful political discipline, the latter on graft and growing his coterie of cronies,
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... a group that until recently included Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin. If the failed rebellion is any indication, Xi’s initial ideological instincts were right all along.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:thats THUGR, posting from an endless wellspring of bullshit and desire
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.
So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?
This thread was BS, Moscow Burns WTF
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WHY RUSSIANS ARE NOT ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WAR WITH UKRAINE?
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