Fox To Public: We Screwed Up Firefly
POSTED BY: BrownCoat
UPDATED: Monday, February 3, 2003 02:48
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Ruxton just stated a suspicion. It is an opinion and everyone has a right to their opinion. I believe we are all trying to make sense out of nonsense.
I am a woman who loves the show. However I am certain that Gail probably never saw all the episodes and did not understand what Joss was doing. Whether or not she understood the show, it appears to have been sabotaged from the outset. Unfortunately it may be for very petty reasons gender related or not, or just a blind idiotic faith in numbers from Neilsen Rating info. All of this is simply speculation.
Sandy has admitted that doing things correctly would make Fox smarter than it is.
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Despite the big success of "Joe," Berman said she couldn't see any way to make a second installment: "The secret is already out." And no, the producers didn't think far enough ahead to film two versions at the same time. "That would've made us much smarter than we are," said Fox Television Entertainment Group chairman Sandy Grushow.
here's a link to the article:
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/living/tv/0103/20fox.html
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i've never seen an ad for firefly on fox. i found out about the show by seeing a behind the scenes insider on the tvguide channel. fox is dumb.
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There is the obvious Not Politically Correct moral standards, limited though they may be, not to mention the casual acceptance of firearms as something besides a talisman of evil.
Jeff
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Originally posted by Ruxton:
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"They wouldn't even need to produce new episodes(for a while), just give it a decent timeslot and RUN IT IN ORDER"
AMEN! What on earth would they have to lose?
Seems to me that re-running the ENTIRE series, with the pilot airing first, as it should, would be a perfect summer replacement/test of Firefly.
They admitted screwing up. But it wasn't even like they were embarassed for wasting so much money.
"We spent a shitload of money on a brand new expensive to produce TV show, didn't pimp it like we do reality shows, and then because of the World Series we moved it around so people couldn't find. And guess what? They couldn't find it so we got bad viewer numbers! Tee-hee! Our bad!"
Someone chose to premiere a brand new show DURING the World Series...a show that cost a bunch of money to produce. It seems to me like a bad choice that maybe should have gotten someone fired.
Tll Grrl
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Well, perhaps I am naieve optomistic, but I sense a se-change in this admission.
Some realities:
Joss will do literally anything to save the show;
the cast is almost religiously interested in saving the show;
The sets, AFAIK, are still intact;
Much has been said by the fans as a matter of record on what went wrong;
Every network needs summer filler...and they need it before August;
there are three unaired eps;
Fox still has rights to the show;
Fox spent a steaming pile of money and every re-airing recoups some of that;
So, LOGICALLY, and God knows no one has accused Fox of logic, logically, if for no other reason than those stated above, Fox could start right after the May sweeps and run the 13 eps in order and with a few re-runs go right up to baseball playoffs...if the first 8-10 eps draw ratings they like, that gives then over 2 months to give Joss the word to produce more eps to be ready for November.
It makes a LOT of sense.
In fact, it makes so much sense that it's probably to easy for the goofs at Fox to figure out...but maybe we should all be nice and send postcards to fox praising them for reconsidering rather than bashing them for demonstrated stupidity...
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Obviously we can send postcards all by ourselves... but I'm curious why Firefly Immediate Assistance ( www.fireflysupport.com) isn't spearheading a coordinated "Firefly as summer replacement series" postcard onslaught toward Fox.
Any ideas? I guess it would help to know where Joss & Tim are trying to take the show.
Wherever Firefly is headed, a Firefly summer replacement series can only help boost the audience numbers.
mattro
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What really gets me is the notion that Fox seems to think they heavily promoted the show. Others have mentioned it, but I didn't se anyone draw the similarity to Farscape and how Sci-Fi seemed to just say "We don't understand why the ratings dropped becaue we advertised the program constantly."
Uh...
As I recall, most of the hype about Firefly was (A) connected with Buffy and (B) connected with the premier of John Doe.
Firefly was nothing like the former and had nothing to do with it whatsoever and thus alienated a potential audience because of the connection. Sad but true, Buffy fans. I don't like the campiness of the show - too jokey. But Firefly hit the head of the nail, so to speak, and had the perfect mix for my taste as well as many of my non-Buffy cohorts.
Likewise, Firefly was nothing like the latter, which turned out to be a lot less "X-Files" and a lot more "CSI" than I was interested in. As a matter of fact, I tuned out after about ep3 of John wandering around figuring everything out except his name - dull, dull, dull. I kept thinking "Who gives a crap?" Plus, if I had to sit through another mile-a-minute Deus Ex Machina resolution to "how Doe figures it all out by noing something really obscure" I though I was going to put my shoe through the set.
ALl the time Firefly was on, it was connected with these two shows. I think this fact coupled with a bad air time (maybe not 7:00p central, but definitely Friday nights) did nothing but drive the show into the dirt.
Did Fox promote the show? Sure.
Did they promote Firefly for what it was and what it would become. Not at all. It was touted as goofy Buffy cowboys in space on your set right before this other wierd show. It never stood on it's own.
Same thing happened to Farscape in it's late year where Sci-Fi promoted it right along with SG-1 for it's illustrious "Sci-Fi Friday" spectacular, puctuated by re-runs of return of the Tremors or some crap. The also put it on TV on Fridays and at 7:00 central (repeated at 9:00, but so what).
Coincidence?
I think not...
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...I'm curious why Firefly Immediate Assistance ( www.fireflysupport.com) isn't spearheading a coordinated "Firefly as summer replacement series" postcard onslaught toward Fox.
It has been made very clear to those of us at Firefly: Immediate Assistance that, while the producers are working on a last ditch effort to keep the series alive in some form, there is nothing more the fans can do at this time.
If that were to change, we would certainly let people know.
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TimMinearNet wrote:
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It has been made very clear to those of us at Firefly: Immediate Assistance that, while the producers are working on a last ditch effort to keep the series alive in some form, there is nothing more the fans can do at this time.
Yes, Kiba & Shell both made it clear that from word they got from Mutant Enemy is that the avenues they are pursuing now could not be assisted by any sort of fan push. For now it is all up to Joss & crew.
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FOX sed they'd heavily promote it, and give the show a chance, War Stories aired after a few weeks off, and after only that episode the "hiatus" was announced. After all Wolf Lake last fall was put on haitus, brought back on UPN from CBS for a second chance, but failed, maybe we can get Firefly to do this, but not fail, and like, yu know, succeed.
We as fans, must start promoting this show to our friends and the public NOW. Not later, but NOW. Or else yu really don't care whether it lives or dies, would u?
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