Cinematic Storytellers

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6STRINGJOKER

Friday, July 21, 2017 5:02 PM

I'm not going to say that it was always this way, but I never heard that white was the absence of color. I remember my mom explaining that to me when I was really little and not understanding it at the time, but black is the absence of color and white is the presence of all colors. It didn't make sense to me when I was a kid coloring with crayons because a white sheet of paper had no colors on it and if you mixed a bunch of colors together you could essentially make the page black.

What it referred to though is the color spectrum as it pertains to light. Pink Floyd's prism is the best visual representation of it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:44 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm not going to say that it was always this way, but I never heard that white was the absence of color. I remember my mom explaining that to me when I was really little and not understanding it at the time, but black is the absence of color and white is the presence of all colors. It didn't make sense to me when I was a kid coloring with crayons because a white sheet of paper had no colors on it and if you mixed a bunch of colors together you could essentially make the page black.

What it referred to though is the color spectrum as it pertains to light. Pink Floyd's prism is the best visual representation of it.

It is all about light. How do you think you see the crayon color, osmosis? Telepathy?

The difference is whether adding light or subtracting light.
The crayons subtract light. Putting those colors on a disc (separately, like pie slices) and spinning it fast enough gives you a white disk, because the colors are added together.
Taking 3 lights and filtering each with a red, a blue, and a green and putting those colors one the same spot will give you a white spot. Putting all 3 filters on the same light will give you black. In your prism example, if you took all of those rainbow rays and redirected them to focus o the same spot, you would get a white spot. If you get your eye close to your TV, like an inch away, you should be able to see the three colors as separate emitters - red, blue, green. They can add together to create any color in the spectrum, including white. When not emitting, the screen is black.

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:29 PM

Yeah. I figured all of that out years back. I just didn't get it when I was a kid.

I was just saying that black is the absence of color and white is the presence of all colors. Earlier in the thread you said that both were used to mean without color.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:09 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Yeah. I figured all of that out years back. I just didn't get it when I was a kid.

I was just saying that black is the absence of color and white is the presence of all colors. Earlier in the thread you said that both were used to mean without color.

Film without color is called Black And White.
Perhaps more accurate to say black or white, but it is not said that way. Now more commonly known as grayscale.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:43 PM

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Did you realize Beautiful Life was a Box Office disappointment?

If you mean It's A Wonderful Life, no I didn't. I know that Capra was somewhat underappreciated.

SGG
Correct. I did have an inkling something there was not right. Edited my original post with that, now.

It was a dud in theaters. After about 17 years, the rights were not renewed by the film or production company, and it became public domain. This allowed broadcast TV to play it for free, which it did regularly, and habitually every holiday season. This is how it became a family favorite, and considered a classic. In cinema 1947, became widely viewed and then popular in the mid-60's. Didn't hurt that Jimmy Stewart had continued his beloved career during the interim, and then this favored actor was in an old film which was now free to view. This is one story that taught Hollywood a few things about Box Office, popularity, etc.

Another point was that Barrymore, Warner, and Travis passed before the film became popular, and Donna Reed was on the verge of a 13 year hiatus from roles.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, October 9, 2020 12:51 AM

Seems I didn't get The Blindside into the list, and also Alita belongs in the list.

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 13, 2023 2:08 PM

Some are still great at telling story, some others I found less lasting, their staying power fading over time.

I respected and still respect Christopher Nolan a British-American filmmaker, a great way of doing motion picture.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1668013122567786501

an upcoming biographical thriller film

A strange lack of foreign film in this thread, HongKong action has influenced Hollywood the story telling from John Woo tension and gun instead of Enter the Dragon but their influence is there... so let me also add,
A Trip to the Moon or Le voyage dans la lune 1902 French adventure short by Georges Méliès
Akira Japan animation which had an impact just as Disney influenced
Fritz Lang Metropolis
Raise the Red Lantern
In the Mood for Love
Murnau Nosferatu
Seven Samurai Akira Kurosawa
La Jetée film short

Tarantino used to entertain me, now I just find his stuff degenerate and shallow

We also had a few others discussed like 'Delicatessen' in the indie film threads

There are also noted joint productions, the 'Revisionist Western' are Hollywood hits but foreign influenced by overseas music and camera guys or overseas production teams

The skill of telling story going away from California, in Hollywood has died, much of the good stuff is now Indie inside America or South Korea or a smaller European flick for example.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 13, 2023 8:21 PM

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The skill of telling story going away from California, in Hollywood has died, much of the good stuff is now Indie inside America or South Korea or a smaller European flick for example.

Most of what comes out of Hollywood these days is what rich Liberals see in their little bubbles in the center of hell we call California.

Not only are Americans sick of it (which is reflected in the ticket sales), but most of the rest of the world is outright rejecting it too (as is also reflected in the ticket sales).

I thought it was quite funny when the Disney owned writers continuously defended The Little Mermaid's huge failure overseas by calling the Chinese and the South Koreans racists while FAST X made $138 Million in China and $13 Million in South Korea, and the Miles Morales movie has so far made $35 Million in China (no data on South Korea yet).

For the uninitiated, FAST X has just about as racially diverse a cast as you could put in a movie, and the Miles Morales movie is about a black kid who is pretending to be Spider-Man.

Nope. Those numbers wouldn't point to racism. The $2.6 Million and $2.7 Million that China and South Korea have spent on The Little Mermaid are indicative of the movie being shit and a pointless, failed cash grab.

Disparu does a great job here explaining how the story changes in The Little Mermaid to make Ariel a "strong and independent" female who don't need no man makes the entire premise of the movie pointless, and how the Californian ideals don't mesh with anybody else in the world.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, August 11, 2023 5:09 PM

I would kind of class the subject as 'Cinematography' when a Director has chosen what way to pan a camera, choice to zoom in and cut, when to focus in on the face, the lighting and camera choices. but that does not really all the other elements of Cinema which include Fx for the big block buster screen, Sound edits, Story board and planning of shots or 'source material' that inspired a Director to be 'Cinematic' etc

Like I wrote before foreign film inspired Hollywood and makes interesting choices Fritz Lang Metropolis, Raise the Red Lantern, In the Mood for Love
Murnau Nosferatu, Seven Samurai Akira Kurosawa, La Jetée make story in a very cinematic way, a film can be great and small it can almost feel like a B-movie or intimate or funny or a cheap B-movie will still being a great work of art it can fail as a cinematic piece.
For non-cinematic ...nobody ever accused John Carpenter or Ron Underwood's Tremors, Night Of George A. Romero The Living Dead or Kinji Fukasaku Battle Royale or Starship Troopers or Ed Wood with so-bad-they’re-good movies of being the greatest cinematic directors of all time.

Making a list I might include

Blade Runner both of them
Dark Knight
Tron both of them
Oblivion
Akira
Monsters vs. Aliens
Finding Nemo
Toy Story
Yojimbo
Drive
Gravity
Fargo
The Right Stuff
Gladiator
Interstellar
Ben-Hur
Taxi Driver
Mad Max Fury Road
Braveheart
2001: A Space Odyssey

Is a film 'Run, Lola, Run' truly a 'Cinematic' film...maybe ...'Tom Tykwer' can direct but he's doing tv now like Babylon Berlin...but I also feel Run Lola Run is a little B-movie at times and something you might enjoy on the small screen like cult director 'John Carpenter'
French Surrealism wave Delicatessen 1991 Jean-Pierre Jeunet has influenced US film, spaghetti western had so many cinematic choices as Storytellers...not always perfect story tellers and Joss was bashed for Alien Resurrection

...I probably should including more Superhero films than Dark Knight but I kinda have superhero fatigue at the moment, maybe Winter solider, the original Raimi Spider-Man or Donner, Christopher Reeve 'Superman'.

Although 'Oppenheimer' is a modern movie and a long movie he let's the story unfold in a Cinematic way.

Perhaps I feel there is something now missing in movies maybe since 2013 or 2014 or maybe 2015 to current, I think they depended too much on CGI special Fx, they just raid comicbooks and video game material now for their story which made you feel it was kind of an artificial spectacle rather than a traditional Cinema story...maybe its politics also and cinema has really gone to crap with all the political SJW diversity hire nonsense forced into cinema.
I think Michael Bay could be one of those guys singled out for dumbing down Art and Cinema, a Cinematic Storyteller should not be picking up Razzies, JJ Abrams’ has divisive influence on critics and film makers with debates on if he's been a good thing or bad thing for film, M Night Shyamalan another controversial one, Snyder is an interesting he can be both very good and very bad and bad and good both at the same time in one single movie, John Badham I would say average film maker but big studios and successful, Uwe Boll would keep making bad stuff, Lloyd Kaufman dumb Troma Entertainment filth but manages to entertain, for terrible David DeCoteau keeps getting worse sleazy smutty, you can be bad and entertain a John Carpenter film or Lloyd Kaufman's Toxic Avenger and Tromeo and Juliet. Some directors lack talent or are kind of boring Tom Hooper, Adrian Grünberg for example
Some directors start great but get worse over time, 'Brian De Palma' for example perhaps should have retired to tv.
To know what is Good Cinematic also know what is Bad Cinematic.
Others are just bad, 'Sia' an Aussie 'artist' singing and smoked to much shit with Acid Jazz and nobody told her she's a bad film maker, Tommy Wiseau but maybe so bad its goo

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, October 26, 2023 4:27 AM

Does Scorsese count, he can be gritty, up and close, grindy, dark, gangster, personal but maybe also cinematic

that book

February’s Book Club Pick: ‘Killers of the Flower Moon,’ by David Grann

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/books/review/killers-of-the-flower-
moon-david-grann.html

Yes I imagine it will be 'Scorsese' style but I don't see how he is going to tell such a story without some Cinematic Grand Film Technqiue

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