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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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THG
Friday, June 9, 2023 8:39 PM

tick tock

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Friday, June 9, 2023 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Russian sources provided explanations for claimed Russian successes during the June 8 attacks, praising Russian forces’ effective use of electronic warfare (EW) systems, air support, and landmines against Ukrainian forces. Multiple Russian sources reported that Russian EW severely interfered with Ukrainian command and control signals, GPS-enabled devices, UAV controls.[12] Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces had insufficient air defense in the Orikhiv sector, that Russian forces operated with an “unprecedented” amount of rotary wing air support, and that Russian aviation was able to return to a high level of activity after not actively engaging in combat operations since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in 2022.[13] Continuous Russian missile and drone attacks against Kyiv and critical Ukrainian infrastructure may have fixed Ukraine’s more advanced air defense systems away from the frontline, although ISW cannot assess which systems would be effective against the kinds of air support missions Russian aircraft were flying.

Huh? ISW can't assess wha kind of system would be effective against drones, helicopters and fixed-wing air support? Or is it that they can't figure out what would work against a barrage of drones, cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles?


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ISW’s previous assessments that Russian air and missile attacks were not setting conditions to defend against the Ukrainian counter-offensive may thus have been inaccurate.


Then they were STUPID. EVERYONE could see- and was commenting on- the fact that Russia had ramped up its targeting of rail lines, ammo depots, fuel depots, and air defense insallations for the past 3 weeks at least, with "massive" (that seems to be the word most often used recently) drone, missile and bombs strikes. Even Military Summary Channel, which has a definite bent towards Ukraine.

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Russian sources also praised at length their claimed defensive success using layered field fortifications and landmines, with Major General Popov stating that Russian minefields played a “very important role” in defeating the initial Ukrainian advance in the early hours of June 8.[14] CNN additionally reported that an anonymous US official said that Russian landmines degraded Ukrainian armored vehicles.[15]
echelon defense. Wasn't gonna post about it bc it would have taken too much time to explain. The other thing that Russians do is create "crumple zones" ... they take areas of open field which Ukrainian army has to re-take, Once the Ukrainian army is in a relatively undefendable position, Russian troops fall back and Russian artillery, drones etc open up.

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Russian forces appear to have executed their formal tactical defensive doctrine in response to the Ukrainian attacks southwest of Orikhiv. Russian doctrine for a defending motorized rifle battalion calls for a first echelon of troops to repel or slow attacking forces with minefields, fortifications, and strongpoints, with a second echelon of forces counterattacking against an enemy breakthrough.[16] Russian forces apparently operated in this fashion in this sector – Ukrainian forces penetrated the initial defensive lines; Russian forces pulled back to a second line of fortifications; and Russian reserves subsequently counterattacked to retake the initial line of defenses.[17] This maneuver is a regular feature of defensive operations and has been executed by both Ukrainian and Russian forces throughout the war. Early control of terrain changes day to day should thus not be misconstrued as the overall result of a wider attack.


https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-8-2023


There are several ways to interpret that last statement, but in the context of Ukrainian attacker/Russian defender, I would say that it means that even if Ukrainian troops advance a few or even a few tens of kilometers, that doesn't mean they will be victor

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Friday, June 9, 2023 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
tick tock

You have room in there for one idea, and you've worn it out.
Time to get a new idea.




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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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THG
Saturday, June 10, 2023 1:37 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by THG:

tick tock

You have room in there for one idea, and you've worn it out.
Time to get a new idea.






Tick tock applies here. It stands for a countdown, just as it did in the countdown until Trump is impeached thread, which he was, twice. Another thread was until Trump was indicted. Well, now he has been. And Tuesday next week, he will be arrested again on different charges. And I'll give you a hint, there is more to come after that. Too funny...

In the Ukraine thread, it represents a countdown to when things get so bad for Russia, you can no longer blow it off as lies. You will be forced to acknowledge Ukraine kicked Putin, Russias' ass. That Russia lost.

So, tick tock comrade signym, tick tock

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Saturday, June 10, 2023 4:26 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I think, FYI, that Kiev had been threatening the Kakhova dam for over a year, discussing how to mine it and even taking a few practice HIMARS shots at it. That's the reason why Surovikin withdrew troops to the eastern side of the Dneiper- he was afraid that Kiev was going to flood the area. And Kiev had been saying for WEEKS that they were going to launch an attack that would confuse and panic the Russian military.

A Russian law passed days before the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam in southern Ukraine could be a "smoking gun" in proving Russia's involvement in the incident, according to an expert.

On May 30, a week before the dam's collapse, the Russian government approved a law aimed at "ensuring the safety of hydraulic structures" in the Ukrainian regions it proclaimed to have annexed in September 2022—the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, in Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia.

The legislation states that until January 1, 2028, investigations into accidents at hydro-technical structures that occurred as a result of military operations, sabotage and terrorist activities are prohibited. The decree was signed by Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and came into effect on the day it was published.

Kremlin Playbook

Keir Giles, senior consulting fellow at the Chatham House think tank's Russia and Eurasia program, said the May 30 legislation follows the Kremlin's playbook, which seeks "to pretend that it operates according to some semblance of legality."

"Russia has a perverse fascination with performative legalization of its most horrific crimes...it repeatedly puts in place in advance laws that give preemptive excuses for its actions," Giles told Newsweek.

"Sometimes this can give an indication of what is to come," said Giles, pointing to legislation on mass burials that was updated by Russia ahead of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine and came into effect on February 1, 2022—weeks before the war began.

"So in the case of the destruction of the Kakhovka dam, the passing a week beforehand of this bizarrely specific law covering precisely those circumstances is indeed a clear indication of Russian intent," Giles added.

Newsweek reached out to the Russian Foreign Ministry via email for comment.

Anders Åslund, an economist and adjunct professor at Georgetown University, Washington, DC, said the May 30 decree "only concludes what we already knew."

"Russian propagandists advocated blowing up the dam. Ukrainian officials announced last fall that the Russians had mined both the dam and the connected tunnels in October-November 2022," Åslund, who has served as an economic adviser to the governments of both Russia and Ukraine, told Newsweek.

"Several explosions were recorded, which show that they were underwater, while the Russians claimed that the Ukrainians had bombed it from the air, which seems close to impossible for technical reasons. The explosions occurred on the Russian side.

"The Russians followed up blowing up several smaller dams — recorded by the Ukrainians. And now you have this law," he said, adding: "The evidence seems overwhelming that it was the Russians who did it."

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-smoking-gun-ukraine-kakhovka-dam-colla
pse-1805546




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, June 10, 2023 7:07 AM

More delusional bullshit from SECOND, the sociopathic troll.
You're just as lunatic about "Russia" and Putin you are about Trump and "Trumptards".

Meanwhile, even the Military Summary Channel's Dima thinks that Ukraine and NATO are getting their asses handed to them.

"The Ukrainians lost more than 100, around 200 units of armored vehicles and they couldn't establish control over even a single black dot [Russian fortification] (begins appx 3:00)

"They [Ukraine] used the three Storm Shadows missiles ... two of those missiles managed to get the target, and they destroyed, attacked some kind of children's camp..." (begins appx 18:00)



The Complete Defeat Of The Ukrainian-NATO Forces. Military Summary For 2023.06.09




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Saturday, June 10, 2023 4:39 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More delusional bullshit from SECOND, the sociopathic troll.
You're just as lunatic about "Russia" and Putin you are about Trump and "Trumptards".

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced on June 9 that Russia will begin deploying tactical nuclear weapons to Belarus in July 2023.[84] Putin met with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko in Sochi, Russia, and stated that the necessary Belarusian storage facilities will finish construction on July 7 and 8, after which Russia will begin transferring tactical nuclear weapons to Belarus. Putin emphasized that the deployment of Russian weapons on Belarusian territory is proceeding according to plan. Putin’s announcement does not represent an escalation in prior Russian nuclear weapons rhetoric, and Russia remains unlikely to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, as ISW has previously assessed.[85] Putin’s announcement is also very unlikely to require a change in NATO’s nuclear posture.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-9-2023


There are three primary defenses of Donald Trump coming from Trumptards:

• Trump didn't sell any of the documents, destroy or alter any documents, or give them away. So how bad can it be?
• Hillary did it too.
• DOJ and the FBI are corrupt and have been weaponized against Trump.

None of these even remotely address the actual charges against Trump: that he took classified documents with him when he left the White House and then actively withheld them even after National Archives and Records Administration and the FBI repeatedly demanded their return.

But Republicans just don't care. They don't care about January 6, 2021. They don't care about Trump’s Big Lie that he won in 2020. They don't care that Trump tried to extort Ukraine for dirt on Joe Biden. No matter what, Trump is being unfairly victimized. That's the alpha and omega. The facts don't matter and never will.

Trump's lawyers quit because he is guilty and now they know it from evidence in the indictment:

Jim Trusty and John Rowley, who helmed Trump’s Washington, D.C.-based legal team for months and were seen frequently at the federal courthouse, indicated they would no longer represent Trump in matters being investigated and prosecuted by special counsel Jack Smith, who is probing both the documents matter and efforts by Trump to subvert the 2020 election.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/09/trump-loses-two-lawyers-just-
hours-after-being-indicted-00101263


'We need to start killing': Trumptards flood social media with demands for violence
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2661184570/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Saturday, June 10, 2023 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

More delusional bullshit from SECOND, the sociopathic troll.
You're just as lunatic about "Russia" and Putin you are about Trump and "Trumptards".

Meanwhile, even the Military Summary Channel's Dima thinks that Ukraine and NATO are getting their asses handed to them.

"The Ukrainians lost more than 100, around 200 units of armored vehicles and they couldn't establish control over even a single black dot [Russian fortification] (begins appx 3:00)

"They [Ukraine] used the three Storm Shadows missiles ... two of those missiles managed to get the target, and they destroyed, attacked some kind of children's camp..." (begins appx 18:00)

The Complete Defeat Of The Ukrainian-NATO Forces. Military Summary For 2023.06.09




tick tock

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Saturday, June 10, 2023 6:52 PM

Fuck Ukraine.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Saturday, June 10, 2023 7:14 PM

Ukraine war: Deserters risk death fleeing to Romania

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65792384

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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