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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Friday, May 26, 2023 8:46 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Reality is too fast and bothersome for Signym and 6ix so they have withdrawn, except for medical appointments and grocery shopping.



You should ask yourself if any of your Pro-Ukraine cheerleading has made any impact on the world, large or small.

The answer is a definitive no.

You're lucky you live with your parents and they have enough money to keep paying for the anchor that's weighing them down even through the Biden* recession while you focus all of your energy on things that shouldn't matter to you and certainly don't matter to your parents.

Fuck Ukraine. And fuck NeoCons like you and Ted.



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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Friday, May 26, 2023 9:14 PM

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Friday, May 26, 2023 9:34 PM

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Hey comrade signym, the spring offensive is beginning.
tick tock

Yes, some day it will. But I sure won't depend on you to tell me when!
BTW when I read this I thought of you

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You have the watches, but we have the time.”

The Taliban often referred to this old Afghan saying when discussing their fight against the Americans.





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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Saturday, May 27, 2023 12:02 AM

Russia’s ‘invincible’ hypersonic missiles prove anything but

It was meant to be the Russian “wonder weapon,” but it turned out to be just another example of Vladimir Putin’s military over-promising and under-delivering.

The Kh-47M2 “Kinzhal” — which means “dagger” in Russian — was billed as a state-of-the-art hypersonic missile, “invincible,” in Putin’s words, to Western air defenses. For the early months of Russia’s full-scale war on Ukraine, it seemed to be just that. The missile had been used in the first year of the war to successfully strike several targets across Ukraine, no doubt causing significant damage.

That all changed when Ukraine received U.S.-manufactured Patriot PAC-2 and PAC-3 air defense systems in April. The PAC-3, the latest version of the venerable American system, was originally developed as part of America’s Strategic Defense Initiative, nicknamed “Star Wars” by its critics, first introduced in the early 1980s by President Ronald Reagan to counter ballistic missiles.

Over a little more than two weeks, Ukrainian-manned Patriots shot down seven out of seven Kinzhals launched at targets throughout Ukraine, according to the Ukrainian Air Force. Pentagon press secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder confirmed the first shoot-down at a press conference on May 9, and another administration official speaking to the New York Times on May 16 confirmed the other interceptions.

During the May 16 attack, which directly targeted the Patriot system, part of the platform suffered “minor” damage, according to U.S. officials, that was repaired within a day. The Kremlin, of course, has maintained the fiction that all its missiles successfully hit their targets. “The fake report that a Kinzhal was allegedly intercepted is a wishful thinking attempt,” a Russian Ministry of Defense source told the state media outlet TASS.

Even if the Ukrainian military is overstating its defensive capability, a Russian missile falling anywhere in Kyiv would have been detected by locals and recorded on social media. Since the arrival of the Patriot missile batteries, that has not happened.

The Kinzhal entered service in December 2017. Two years later, Putin declared that it and other Russian hypersonic weapons proved that Russia was leading the world in hypersonic capability. The boast was reminiscent of Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev’s bravado in the late 1950s, when he claimed that Soviet intercontinental ballistic missiles were rolling off the factory floor “like sausages,” feeding the false perception in the United States that the U.S. was at a disadvantage and suffering from a missile gap with Moscow. “We have a situation that is unique in modern history when they are trying to catch up with us," Putin said. “Not a single country has hypersonic weapons, let alone hypersonic weapons of intercontinental range.”

He was wrong.

In reality, the Kinzhal is not that impressive. It is an upgraded version of Russia’s older, ground-launched 9K720 Iskander ballistic missile, modified so that it can be air-launched from Russian aircraft. As for Putin’s claim of the weapon’s hypersonic speed, this was true in the same way all ballistic missiles since the German V-2 rockets started pulverizing London in World War II have achieved hypersonic speeds at certain phases of flight.

Despite Putin’s grand claims, air-launched ballistic missiles are not new technology.

The GAM-87 “Skybolt” air-launched ballistic missile was developed by the United States in the late 1950s, and hit top speeds of Mach 12, well in excess of the speeds the Kinzhal can reach. However, the project was ultimately canceled in 1962, when U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara assessed that the system provided very little benefit over the United States’ existing arsenal of land- and submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

Russian hubris that the system worked perfectly seemed even more incredible in light of the arrest of the third scientist responsible for the development of the Kinzhal on charges of “high treason.” On May 16, the same day Ukrain

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Saturday, May 27, 2023 3:02 AM

Russia's Medvedev Threatens Ukraine With Pre-Emptive Nuclear Strike

By Isabel van Brugen On 5/26/23 at 7:35 AM EDT

Medvedev also weighed in on how long he believed the war could last. "This conflict will last for a very long time. For decades, probably. This is a new reality," he said. "Everything always ends in negotiations, and this is inevitable, but as long as these people are in power, the situation for Russia will not change in terms of negotiations."

Russia's state-run news agency Tass cited Medvedev as saying that it's possible Ukraine "receives warplanes" and "maybe even nuclear weapons" from its Western allies. The U.S., Medvedev said, "operates largely within the field of its pragmatic interests."

"They do not wage a war, they are making money instead. They are trying to eliminate their centuries-long enemy."

"As far as Europe is concerned, it is a strange story for me. They keep heating up tensions with their decisions," Medvedev continued. "Europe has gone mad."

Medvedev has issued nuclear threats frequently throughout Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. President Vladimir Putin himself said in a televised address to the nation in September 2022 that he'd be prepared to use nuclear weapons to defend Russian territory.

He has also suggested this month that Russia has no options left "aside the physical elimination of Zelensky and his cabal." He made the remarks on his Telegram channel after two drones crashed into the Kremlin in Moscow on May 3. Zelensky denied any involvement, saying his country didn't possess weapons capable of such strikes.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-medvedev-ukraine-nuclear-strike-weapon
s-west-putin-1802829


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, May 27, 2023 3:53 AM

So where is the nuclear threat? Something is missing.

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Saturday, May 27, 2023 4:16 AM

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So where is the nuclear threat? Something is missing.

Russia Starts Moving Nuclear Weapons to Ukrainian Neighbor

By Jon Jackson On 5/25/23 at 5:12 PM EDT

Russia has begun moving nuclear weapons to Belarus, which shares a 674-mile border with Ukraine, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko said Thursday.

Lukashenko's announcement followed Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu meeting earlier in the day with Belarusian Defense Minister Viktor Khrenin in Minsk to sign documents about the placement of Russian tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-starts-moving-nuclear-weapons-ukrainia
n-neighbor-1802721


The news story does not say which direction the nukes are aimed at. Poland? Lithuania? Latvia? Those are NATO members bordering Belarus.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, May 27, 2023 6:58 AM

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So where is the nuclear threat? Something is missing.



I know you're evading the question, and if you don't answer it in your next post I'm going to show people why.

Or just go back to your home under the bridge, where you came from.




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Saturday, May 27, 2023 7:44 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So where is the nuclear threat? Something is missing.



I know you're evading the question, and if you don't answer it in your next post I'm going to show people why.

Or just go back to your home under the bridge, where you came from.

Russia's Medvedev Threatens Ukraine With Pre-Emptive Nuclear Strike. Signym, do you see the word "threat"? That means a nuclear threat, Signym. So far, it is just words, but to give the words a little heftiness, Russia has begun moving nuclear weapons to Belarus, which shares a 674-mile border with Ukraine, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko said Thursday. Is that too hard for you to see that there is a "threat", Signym? Or do nukes need to explode before it is a "threat" in your mind?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, May 27, 2023 3:09 PM

Russia-Ukraine war live: Kyiv says forces ready to launch counteroffensive

Senior Ukrainian official talks up ‘historic opportunity’ and says Kyiv ‘calm’ about Putin’s plan to move nuclear weapons to Belarus

The Kremlin is likely reviving its information campaign to coerce the West into forcing Ukraine to accept concessions and negotiate on terms favorable to Russia. The Kremlin claimed on May 26 that Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed “the openness of the Russian side to dialogue on the political and diplomatic track, which is still blocked by Kyiv and its Western sponsors” in a phone call with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.[20] Putin’s statement does not indicate that Russia is interested in pursuing negotiations with Ukraine, and the Kremlin has not established any serious grounds for negotiations nor abandoned its maximalist goals to force the Ukrainian government to capitulate. The Kremlin is likely attempting to intensify its false claims about its readiness to negotiate with Ukraine amidst the arrival of the Chinese Special Representative for Eurasian Affairs Li Hui in Moscow on May 26 to discuss a negotiated settlement to Russia’s war in Ukraine.[21] The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported that Li previously urged European officials to end the conflict in Ukraine before it escalates during his visit to European states in the past week.[22] The WSJ also reported that a (likely European, but unspecified) diplomat who spoke to Li explained that freezing the conflict was not beneficial to international interests and that Europe would not withdraw its support for Ukraine. The WSJ also reported that another (likely European, but unspecified) diplomat claimed that China’s main interests are ensuring Russian victory and ensuring that Russia does not use nuclear weapons. The claimed interaction likely indicates that China may be attempting to push the West to influence Ukraine into accepting a ceasefire. The Kremlin is likely amplifying its false interests in negotiations ahead of the planned Ukrainian counteroffensive in order to discourage continued Western aid to Ukraine. ISW has previously reported on Russia’s peace negotiation information operations to deter Western support for Ukraine.[23]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-26-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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