In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
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UPDATED: Friday, September 11, 2026 15:29
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Well, I got to look at some publishers as I am suppose to have a phone meeting with the lady that is helping me this week. Should be tomorrow but I will check my email later.
Also my area has a call for rain. Have to see if it arrives.
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Long weekend up here. Tomorrow is Victoria day.
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Quote:I'd need to research that SIX, it's way beyond what I know. But I'm oing to think my way thru this and you can tell me where my logic goes astray.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What the shit?
I went to bed and I'd gone down to 100. It was a straight line until 2:00AM and all the sudden it took off like a rocket. My alarm alerts me if I hit 200 and repeats every half hour so I must have missed the first one because I just woke up to this one at 4:30 and I'm 267! I haven't been over 250 since I got that monitor installed.
100 is the lowest that I've ever gone to sleep at.
I think I'm onto something about my liver dumping sugar into my system because I'm not eating all those carbs right before I go to sleep anymore. I finally go to sleep at a level a normal person goes to sleep at and by the rate I'm increasing I'll be up to over 300 before 6:00AM.
I never did go up to 300. It looks like it peaked shortly after I woke up at around 280 and then came crashing right back down as fast as it went up. It's unknown if that's because I was awake and I drank a good deal of water or not (not because I was thirsty at all, but just an attempt to bring it back down). It should also be noted that I did not wake up because of the high blood sugar OR the need to urinate. I woke up because my beeping meter warning me of the high level woke me up.
The meter shows that not only did I go to sleep around 110, but it had actually (gradually) fallen as low as 90 on its own roughly 30 minutes before the spike happened. After falling, it never went down close to 90. I've been basically a straight line ever since, right in the area of +/-5 to 145.
This was NOT a waking phenomena. This was more akin to the Somogyi Effect, which for the past 90+ years has never been considered to be a fact and still remains a theory. I really wish I could get in touch with a GREAT doctor that knows a good deal about this stuff. I believe that with my previous extreme eating behaviors (specifically relating to massive carb loading in a short window before bedtime) and how my body reacts to what it considers low blood sugar at night now that I'm not eating all those carbs before bed is study-worthy and may be able to provide the community with some insight that it might not otherwise have been able to (legally) obtain.
I'm pretty sure that forcing or otherwise coercing somebody to eat the way that I did for as many years as I have in the name of science would be considered highly unethical, if not an outright violation of the Nuremberg Code. But here I am... All dialed in and ready to provide the data for the right person to study it.
You got any ideas about that, Sigs?
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
AFAIK, the waking phenomenon is the liver dumping sugar in the body preparing for waking up, and it's prompted by a release of cortisol. I'll bet there are other hormone changes going on, too, like melatonin, adrenaline, and so forth. This is a normal function, which can't be prevented, which only becomes problematic in ppl with diabetes bc it overwhelms the pancreas' ability to keep blood sugar under control.
The Somogyi effect is more like reactive HYPERglycemia - a response to HYPOglycemia that occurs some time earlier during the night. (The website I went to, I think it was the Mayo website, described the Somogyi effect as rare but real.) It is a reaction to ABnormally low blood sugar, and the sugar dump becomes problematic in ppl with diabetes bc it overwhelms the pancreas' ability to keep blood sugar under control.
So, the waking phenomenon can't be prevented, but can be managed with proper medication timing. The Somogyi effect, in theory, CAN be prevented by preventing whatever caused the hypoglycemia in the first place.
Your readings didn't
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I'd need to research that SIX, it's way beyond what I know. But I'm oing to think my way thru this and you can tell me where my logic goes astray.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What the shit?
I went to bed and I'd gone down to 100. It was a straight line until 2:00AM and all the sudden it took off like a rocket. My alarm alerts me if I hit 200 and repeats every half hour so I must have missed the first one because I just woke up to this one at 4:30 and I'm 267! I haven't been over 250 since I got that monitor installed.
100 is the lowest that I've ever gone to sleep at.
I think I'm onto something about my liver dumping sugar into my system because I'm not eating all those carbs right before I go to sleep anymore. I finally go to sleep at a level a normal person goes to sleep at and by the rate I'm increasing I'll be up to over 300 before 6:00AM.
I never did go up to 300. It looks like it peaked shortly after I woke up at around 280 and then came crashing right back down as fast as it went up. It's unknown if that's because I was awake and I drank a good deal of water or not (not because I was thirsty at all, but just an attempt to bring it back down). It should also be noted that I did not wake up because of the high blood sugar OR the need to urinate. I woke up because my beeping meter warning me of the high level woke me up.
The meter shows that not only did I go to sleep around 110, but it had actually (gradually) fallen as low as 90 on its own roughly 30 minutes before the spike happened. After falling, it never went down close to 90. I've been basically a straight line ever since, right in the area of +/-5 to 145.
This was NOT a waking phenomena. This was more akin to the Somogyi Effect, which for the past 90+ years has never been considered to be a fact and still remains a theory. I really wish I could get in touch with a GREAT doctor that knows a good deal about this stuff. I believe that with my previous extreme eating behaviors (specifically relating to massive carb loading in a short window before bedtime) and how my body reacts to what it considers low blood sugar at night now that I'm not eating all those carbs before bed is study-worthy and may be able to provide the community with some insight that it might not otherwise have been able to (legally) obtain.
I'm pretty sure that forcing or otherwise coercing somebody to eat the way that I did for as many years as I have in the name of science would be considered highly unethical, if not an outright violation of the Nuremberg Code. But here I am... All dialed in and ready to provide the data for the right person to study it.
You got any ideas about that, Sigs?
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
AFAIK, the waking phenomenon is the liver dumping sugar in the body preparing for waking up, and it's prompted by a release of cortisol. I'll bet there are other hormone changes going on, too, like melatonin, adrenaline, and so forth. This is a normal function, which can't be prevented, which only becomes problematic in ppl with diabetes bc it overwhelms the pancreas' ability to keep blood sugar under control.
You can't prevent it, but Metformin and other biguanides decrease the amount of glucose produced by the liver, as well as decreasing the amount of glucose your digestive tract absorbs from food and improving your body's response to insulin. (The Glipizide I take does the 2nd two as well, but does not impact glucose production by the liver).
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The Somogyi effect is more like reactive HYPERglycemia - a response to HYPOglycemia that occurs some time earlier during the night. (The website I went to, I think it was the Mayo website, described the Somogyi effect as rare but real.) It is a reaction to ABNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I guess what I was saying is ... when you're dealing in an area not well-known to anyone except obscure researchers, sometimes you have to design your own experiments and experiment on yourself.
You might find an answer at a university affiliated research hospital. Or you might need to do a deep deep dive into webforums dedicated to LADA and other unusual forms of diabetes. That's how I found our daughter's dx.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I guess what I was saying is ... when you're dealing in an area not well-known to anyone except obscure researchers, sometimes you have to design your own experiments and experiment on yourself.
You might find an answer at a university affiliated research hospital. Or you might need to do a deep deep dive into webforums dedicated to LADA and other unusual forms of diabetes. That's how I found our daughter's dx.
Well... I've got plenty of drugs to experiment with. Even at the rate I was using them at first, I've got insulin for several months. I've got at least one refill of the Metformin and Glipizide already waiting there for me since I'd gone two weeks without taking them too.
My nutritionist told me point blank she didn't like the idea that I was changing dosages on my own, but when my Dr. Endo is as unreachable and off-hands as he is, that's probably what I'm going to have to do until I get another one. He and his team are certainly the weakest link on my chain right now, which is unfortunate in light of my recent GAD-65 results that he wouldn't even see until I print them out and bring them to his office on the 6th of next month (I will be forcing the issue tomorrow, don't you worry about that).
I'm 121 right now. After I ate my 4 tacos from yesterday for lunch at roughly 2PM when I had naturally gone back down to 90 like I always do, I went up to about 135 and have been riding that number slowly down for 7 hours. I just had 12oz of California Medley without rice and two chicken breasts, so maybe about 10 carbs. I should be going to bed right around where I was last night, if not slightly higher. So let's see if I spike as high in the AM hours.
All in all though, if it weren't for that insane rise to 280 with the Liver dump while I was sleeping, today was a pretty perfect day with my numbers.
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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If you know the principles behind your condition, the factors that affect it (diet, medication, activity, hydration, stress...), the mode of action and pharmacokinetics (therapeutic range, peak time, half life, mode of action, mode of elimination, interactions with other drugs or your physical condition such as renal or liver failure etc) etc you can design your own experiments, but you have to know what your questions are first, and right now I'm not sure of your questions and I'm not sure you are, either.
First of all, you can only answer one question at a time , so you have to clarify and prioritize what you want to know.
Are you trying to figure out how to get rid of that early AM spike?
Are you trying to figure out if your pancreas is still functional, and how much?
Are you trying to minimize your insulin?
Are you trying to regain energy and fitness?
Are you trying to get to a regimen that is more flexible and less demanding?
Something else?
All of the above?
Once you've figured out what you're trying to do and priortized what is the most important question, you have to figure out how to figure it out: what are you going to change, and what kind of results will tell you what?
For example, say you want to know whether your pancreas is at all functional. A difficult question to answer for sure. But one way to answer that question since you have an implant, would be to steady out your test conditions (hydration state, exercise level, diet, medications etc) for a couple of days and, in a fasting state, give yourself a mini glucose tolerance test (50 g of glucose) But then, of course, you would have to learn how to interpret the results, and there i can't help you bc i only know about the test, not what the results mean.
Anyway, I think you get the idea.
But first, decide what you're trying to do
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Out for my walk in a bit and phone call set up with the poet helping me to look at another publisher.
My area got some rain last night but more was going to the Peace which needs it for sure.
Need some groceries and I might tackle some clean up when I get back.
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Back from my walk and having a sit down now.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Out for my walk in a bit and phone call set up with the poet helping me to look at another publisher.
My area got some rain last night but more was going to the Peace which needs it for sure.
Need some groceries and I might tackle some clean up when I get back.
Cool!!
I am still struggling at this end with selecting a contractor for a bathroom gut job, and a contractor to replace 5 windows. Not helped by the fact that we changed our minds most of the way thru, and I had to do walk-throughs all over again. But I THINK getting proposals on the bathroom has come to an end and now we have apples-to-apples comparisons (or we will, very shortly) and we can eliminate at least one as being unacceptable, so that's moving ahead.
I'll be doing a walk-through in the windows tomorrow... hardly anybody seems to want to do window replacement... and I think THAT will come to an end, finally.
Onward thru the fog.
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