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Hollywood’s Death Spiral, Part 2
Are movie theaters facing extinction?
By Edward Jay Epstein
Aug 01, 2005
The $64 billion question in Hollywood these days is what to do about collapsing the boundary between a movie’s theatrical and video release—the so-called video window. Gradually, this window has shrunk from six months to four months—and, in the case of many children’s movies—to three months. Even worse, DVD releases are often announced while a movie is still playing in the multiplexes. As a result, more moviegoers now wait to buy or rent a movie on DVD, which leads to shorter theatrical runs and a fall in worldwide theater attendance, which in turn puts more pressure on the studios to shorten the window even further.
This death spiral was set in motion by the studios themselves about four years ago. The decision to shorten the video window did not proceed from a new technological development—such as TV in the 1940s or the video cassette in the 1970s—or a change in popular taste. As a top studio executive explained to me, “It was a voluntary decision made for purely financial reasons by the major players. It was done to satisfy quarterly profit goals, nothing more, nothing less.” In short, the studios changed their business model so that they could opportunistically sell DVDs, which, after all, are a conventional retail product like soap or toys.
The continuing pressure to further shorten the video window comes, not surprisingly, from the Young Turks in the lucrative home-entertainment divisions of the studios. In the first quarter of 2005, these divisions were producing more than two-thirds of the revenues for the six studios. Their main battleground is the shelf space of Wal-Mart and other giant retailers, and, to prevail—and further increase quarterly earnings—the home-entertainment divisions need to release DVDs during the hottest sales periods, such as Christmas and Thanksgiving, instead of waiting for an artificial window to open.
The main resistance to this change comes from the old-guard studio executives who fear that undercutting the movie-theater business will—even if it improves DVD sales—unravel the very foundations of Hollywood. They argue that the theatrical platform, to which the PR hoopla, magazine covers, TV talk shows, and the rest of the celebrity-worshiping culture is geared, transforms movies into media events that generate worldwide DVD sales. For them, the issue is how to keep the theatrical platform alive.
The most radical proposal is to eliminate the windowing system entirely. In this scenario, the studios would simultaneously release a title in theaters, video stores, and on pay-per-view, and the title would require only a single marketing campaign. The audience could then choose which format best fits its wallet and clock. Proponents of this plan envision that it will shift some part of the theater audience to either DVD (which has higher profit margins than theatrical distribution) or pay-per-view (which has higher profit margins than DVD). Even so, they hold that movie theaters will retain a core audience, since there will always be people who prefer the theater experience or who just want to get out of the house.
More at https://slate.com/culture/2005/08/hollywood-s-death-spiral-part-2.html
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Originally posted by second:
Hollywood’s Death Spiral, Part 2
Are movie theaters facing extinction?
DVD's and Pay-Per-View, huh?
18 years, 2 recessions, several active shooter incidents, a severe worldwide overreaction to a cold, Bidenflation, video streaming, piracy and Hollywood's obsession with its Marxist agenda still haven't made this dude's prediction come true yet.
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Quote:You obsessively quote from https://www.the-numbers.com/ which only reports theater tickets sales. Eighteen years ago, the lucrative home-entertainment divisions of the studios in the first quarter of 2005 were producing more than two-thirds of the revenues for the six studios. That revenue is NOT included at https://www.the-numbers.com/
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Hollywood’s Death Spiral, Part 2
Are movie theaters facing extinction?
DVD's and Pay-Per-View, huh?
18 years, 2 recessions, several active shooter incidents, a severe worldwide overreaction to a cold, Bidenflation, video streaming, piracy and Hollywood's obsession with its Marxist agenda still haven't made this dude's prediction come true yet.
If all movie theaters close, that two-thirds of the revenues will continue.
It is kind of funny that China makes almost as many films as Hollywood. Maybe Hollywood should hire the Chinese to make Hollywood movies?
1 The Super Mario Bros. Movie $1,210,450,000
2 Man Jiang Hong $673,556,758
3 Liu Lang Di Qiu 2 $604,380,922
4 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 $528,801,000
5 Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania $464,568,990
6 John Wick: Chapter 4 $418,934,189
7 Creed III $272,341,680
8 Xiong Chu Md Ban Wo Xiong Xin $221,590,000
9 Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves $205,670,000
10 Scream VI $168,910,085
11 Wu Ming $139,083,591
12 Shen Hai $136,090,000
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
mulative/released-in-2023
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You obsessively quote from https://www.the-numbers.com/ which only reports theater tickets sales. Eighteen years ago, the lucrative home-entertainment divisions of the studios in the first quarter of 2005 were producing more than two-thirds of the revenues for the six studios. That revenue is NOT included at https://www.the-numbers.com/
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Hollywood’s Death Spiral, Part 2
Are movie theaters facing extinction?
DVD's and Pay-Per-View, huh?
18 years, 2 recessions, several active shooter incidents, a severe worldwide overreaction to a cold, Bidenflation, video streaming, piracy and Hollywood's obsession with its Marxist agenda still haven't made this dude's prediction come true yet.
If all movie theaters close, that two-thirds of the revenues will continue.
False: DVD/BluRay sales for every movie ARE included at The Numbers
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Avengers-Endgame-(2019)#tab=summary
Avengers: End Game
Domestic Box Office $858,373,000
International Box Office $1,936,358,755
Worldwide Box Office $2,794,731,755
Home Market Performance
Est. Domestic DVD Sales $23,951,994
Est. Domestic Blu-ray Sales $83,890,969
Total Est. Domestic Video Sales $107,842,963
Total theater and home sales: $2,902,574,718
% of total that were home sales: 3.715%
3.715% is not 2/3rds of anything.
18 years ago we didn't have movie streaming which has destroyed physical copy sales. They haven't figured out how to properly monetize streaming either, and now that there are too many streaming services and they can't keep growing by gaining new customers, they're all losing money with their streaming services.
Movie theaters are far more important to Hollywood today than they were 18 years ago.
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Quote:6ix, you hate Disney the most of any Hollywood company. It turns out that movie tickets aren't important to Disney. Content Sales/Licensing and Other represents only 11% of Disney’s revenue. The segment includes the following operations: theatrical distribution; home entertainment distribution, such as DVD and Blu-ray; music distribution; staging and licensing of live entertainment events on Broadway and around the world; post-production services through Industrial Light & Magic and Skywalker Sound; and a 30% ownership interest in Tata Sky Ltd., an India-based operator of a direct-to-home satellite distribution platform.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
18 years ago we didn't have movie streaming which has destroyed physical copy sales. They haven't figured out how to properly monetize streaming either, and now that there are too many streaming services and they can't keep growing by gaining new customers, they're all losing money with their streaming services.
Movie theaters are far more important to Hollywood today than they were 18 years ago.
https://www.investopedia.com/how-disney-makes-money-4799164
6ix, in case you missed the point, the LEAST significant revenue for Disney is movie tickets, DVDs and Blu-ray, which total LESS than 11% of all Disney revenue.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, you hate Disney the most of any Hollywood company. It turns out that movie tickets aren't important to Disney. Content Sales/Licensing and Other represents only 11% of Disney’s revenue. The segment includes the following operations: theatrical distribution; home entertainment distribution, such as DVD and Blu-ray; music distribution; staging and licensing of live entertainment events on Broadway and around the world; post-production services through Industrial Light & Magic and Skywalker Sound; and a 30% ownership interest in Tata Sky Ltd., an India-based operator of a direct-to-home satellite distribution platform.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
18 years ago we didn't have movie streaming which has destroyed physical copy sales. They haven't figured out how to properly monetize streaming either, and now that there are too many streaming services and they can't keep growing by gaining new customers, they're all losing money with their streaming services.
Movie theaters are far more important to Hollywood today than they were 18 years ago.
https://www.investopedia.com/how-disney-makes-money-4799164
6ix, in case you missed the point, the LEAST significant revenue for Disney is movie tickets, DVDs and Blu-ray, which total LESS than 11% of all Disney revenue.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Lies and/or ignorance.
You are a very stupid, simple person.
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Quote:Too bad for you but movie ticket sales are the SMALLEST part of Disney. Why should Disney care that 6ix thinks tickets are the biggest? Walt Disney began moving away from film-making when he opened the first Disneyland in California. Walt Disney moved further away from the boom-or-bust movie industry when he opened Disney World in Florida. He was definitely in the real estate business more than the movie business when he bought and bulldozed and burned Florida orange groves 60 years ago for his amusement park.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lies and/or ignorance.
You are a very stupid, simple person.
Disney Revenues: How Does DIS Make Money?
Last Updated: 5/16/2023
https://www.trefis.com/data/companies/DIS/no-login-required/Q88UwdYL/D
isney-Revenues-How-Does-DIS-Make-Money-
Movie ticket sales have gotten worse at Disney, recently:
(3) Content Sales, Licensing & Other: $6.4 Bil 7% of total revenue.
+ Change in Content Sales, Licensing & Other: $-3.8 Bil (Down 3.8 billion)
WHAT IS BIG?
(1) Linear Networks: $30 Bil 33%
(2) Direct To Consumer: $22 Bil 24%
(3) Content Sales, Licensing & Other: $6.4 Bil 7%
(4) Disney's U.S. Hotels & Theme Parks: $23 Bil 26%
(5) Disney's International Hotels & Theme Parks: $4.0 Bil 4%
(6) Consumer Products & Interactive Media: $5.5 Bil 6%
TOTAL Revenues in FY2023: $91 Bil 100%
Has 6 Operating Segments:
(1) Linear Networks: This division includes revenue from Disney's cable channels such as ESPN, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, and broadcast channels such as ABC. Revenues come in the form of affiliate fees, advertising sales and TV and SVOD distribution.
(2) Direct To Consumer: This division includes Disney's streaming offerings such as Disney+, ESPN+, and Hulu. The segment generates revenues via subscription fees and advertising.
(3) Content Sales, Licensing & Other: This division consists of Disney's produced and acquired content that it markets through various channels such as theatrical market, home entertainment market, and TV and Subscription video-on-demand distribution.
(4) Disney's U.S. Hotels & Theme Parks: Includes revenues from Disney's U.S. hotels and resorts. Key properties include The Walt Disney World Resort in Florida, Disneyland Resort in California, Disney Resort & Spa in Hawaii, the Disney Vacation Club and Disney's Cruise Line.
(5) Disney's International Hotels & Theme Parks: This division includes Disney's international parks & resorts in Paris, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Japan
(6) Consumer Products & Interactive Media: The consumer products segment sells merchandise based on its characters, which includes products such as toys, apparel, stationery, consumer electronics, food, books, magazines, and more.
WHAT HAS CHANGED?
Over FY2020-23
Change in Linear Networks: $2.2 Bil
+ Change in Direct To Consumer: $11 Bil
+ Change in Content Sales, Licensing & Other: $-3.8 Bil Movie Tickets!
+ Change in Disney's U.S. Hotels & Theme Parks: $13 Bil
+ Change in Disney's International Hotels & Theme Parks: $2.0 Bil
+ Change in Consumer Products & Interactive Media: $700 Mil
TOTAL Change FY2020-23: $26 Bil
+ Disney Revenues in FY2020 $65 Bil
= TOTAL Revenues in FY2023 $91 Bil
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Even if any of that were true, it wouldn't be good news for Disney.
Disney lost 4 Million subs to Disney+ for the 2nd quarter in a row.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/10/disney-q2-2023-results/
Current and former executives at Disney are being sued for lying about their Disney+ performance.
https://www.thewrap.com/disney-bob-chapek-lawsuit-disney-plus-streamin
g/
Disney toys aren't selling:
https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/04/23/toy-executive-confirms-lack-
of-demand-for-disneys-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-products/
https://thatparkplace.com/exclusive-expert-toy-industry-insider-reveal
s-marvel-and-star-wars-merch-struggles/
https://comicsgate.org/2022/09/01/woke-toys-dont-sell-disney-losing-bi
llions-destroying-its-brands-todd-mcfarlane-on-the-flash/
Disney Theme Parks are losing:
https://insidethemagic.net/2023/05/hong-kong-disneyland-visitor-record
-financial-losses-cj1/
https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/28/23482803/disney-parks-popular-profi
ts-waning-florida-hurricane-bob-iger
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/11/21/disney-theme-park
s-price-hikes-and-ride-failures-angered-customers-ahead-of-bob-chapek-departure-ceo/?sh=3a9d90297cc5
https://www.wsj.com/articles/disneys-theme-parks-are-sore-spot-for-inv
estors-too-11669613538
https://www.disneydining.com/disney-park-sees-7th-year-in-a-row-with-n
o-profit-reports-2-4-billion-loss-bb1/
https://www.frommers.com/trip-ideas/theme-park/4-signs-that-disney-par
ks-are-in-a-lot-more-trouble-than-people-think
Disney stock was worth $197.16 on March 12th, 2021. It's currently worth $91.41.
Maybe Disney should get out of Hollywood altogether and focus on all of the other aspects of its failing company, starting with firing all of the Marxists that are responsible for cutting their stock price in half.
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Quote:You called me a liar and Disney employees Commies. 6ix, you are retarded, but never forget: Trump will be fine.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Even if any of that were true, it wouldn't be good news for Disney.
Disney lost 4 Million subs to Disney+ for the 2nd quarter in a row
Disney stock was worth $197.16 on March 12th, 2021. It's currently worth $91.41.
Maybe Disney should get out of Hollywood altogether and focus on all of the other aspects of its failing company, starting with firing all of the Marxists that are responsible for cutting their stock price in half.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You called me a liar and Disney employees Commies. 6ix, you are retarded, but never forget: Trump will be fine.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Even if any of that were true, it wouldn't be good news for Disney.
Disney lost 4 Million subs to Disney+ for the 2nd quarter in a row
Disney stock was worth $197.16 on March 12th, 2021. It's currently worth $91.41.
Maybe Disney should get out of Hollywood altogether and focus on all of the other aspects of its failing company, starting with firing all of the Marxists that are responsible for cutting their stock price in half.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
You ARE a liar. Disney employees ARE Marxists. Trump WILL be fine.
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