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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 1:20 AM

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Russians Claim Control Over Bakhmut's East




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Russian Armed Forces lost 130 armored vehicles and tanks in Ukraine while the focus was on Bakhmut in this Ukraine War Update we explain what happened.





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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 2:07 AM

A Russian fighter jet forced down a US Air Force drone over the Black Sea on Tuesday after damaging the propeller of the American MQ-9 Reaper drone, according to the US military.

The Reaper drone and two Russian Su-27 aircraft were flying over international waters over the Black Sea on Tuesday when one of the Russian jets intentionally flew in front of and dumped fuel on the unmanned drone several times, a statement from US European Command said.

The aircraft then hit the propeller of the drone, prompting US forces to bring the MQ-9 drone down in international waters.

“Our MQ-9 aircraft was conducting routine operations in international airspace when it was intercepted and hit by a Russian aircraft, resulting in a crash and complete loss of the MQ-9,” Air Force Gen. James B. Hecker, commander of US Air Forces Europe and Air Forces Africa, said in the statement. “In fact, this unsafe and unprofessional act by the Russians nearly caused both aircraft to crash.”

The incident marks the first time Russian and US military aircraft have come into direct contact since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine just over a year ago and is likely to increase tensions between the two nations, with US calling Russia’s actions “reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional.”

More at https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/14/politics/us-drone-russian-jet-black-sea

Google map of Black Sea https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7280395,29.0165918,1483700m/data=!3m1!1e3

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 6:04 AM

"A casacade of bleak articles appearing in the western media" Alexander Mercouris, March 14, 2023. Including this one ...

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Ukraine short of skilled troops and munitions as losses, pessimism grow

DNIPROPETROVSK REGION, Ukraine — The quality of Ukraine’s military force, once considered a substantial advantage over Russia, has been degraded by a year of casualties that have taken many of the most experienced fighters off the battlefield, [i.e.killed] leading some Ukrainian officials to question Kyiv’s readiness to mount a much-anticipated spring offensive.

U.S. and European officials have estimated that as many as 120,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or wounded since the start of Russia’s invasion early last year, compared with about 200,000 on the Russian side, [not according to the BBC!] which has a much larger military and roughly triple the population from which to draw conscripts. that as Ukraine keeps its running casualty numbers secret, even from its staunchest Western supporters.

Statistics aside, an influx of inexperienced draftees, brought in to plug the losses, has changed the profile of the that as Ukrainian force, which is also suffering from basic shortages of ammunition, including artillery shells and mortar bombs, according to military personnel in the field.

“The most valuable thing in war is combat experience,” said a battalion commander in the 46th Air Assault Brigade, who is being identified only by his call sign, Kupol, in keeping with Ukrainian military protocol. “A soldier who has survived six months of combat and a soldier who came from a firing range are two different soldiers. It’s heaven and earth.”

“And there are only a few soldiers with combat experience,” Kupol added. “Unfortunately, they are all already dead or wounded.”

Such grim assessments have spread a palpable, if mostly unspoken, pessimism from the front lines to the corridors of power in Kyiv, the capital. An inability by Ukraine to execute a much-hyped counteroffensive would fuel new criticism that the United States and its European allies waited too long, until the force had already deteriorated, to deepen training programs and provide armored fighting vehicles, including Bradleys and Leopard battle tanks.

The situation on the battlefield now may not reflect a full picture of Ukraine’s forces, because Kyiv is training troops for the coming counteroffensive separately and deliberately holding them back from current fighting, including the defense of Bakhmut, a U.S. official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to be candid.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Mar. 6 that he intends to hold the line in Bakhmut, as the brutal battle for the eastern city continues.

Andriy Yermak, head of Ukraine’s presidential office, said the state of the Ukrainian force does not diminish his optimism about a coming counteroffensive. “I don’t think we’ve exhausted our potential,” Yermak said. “I think that in any war, there comes a time when you have to prepare new personnel, which is what is happening right now.”

And the situation for Russia may be worse. During a NATO meeting last month, U.K. Defense Minister Ben Wallace said that 97 percent of Russia’s army was already deployed in Ukraine and that Moscow was suffering “First World War levels of attrition.”

Not according to the BBC! Does anyone seriously think that 97 % of Russias army is tied up in Ukraine? Well, if they do, then now is the time for NATO to attack!

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“There’s always belief in a miracle,” he said. “Either it will be a massacre and corpses or it’s going to be a professional counteroffensive. There are two options. There will be a counteroffensive either way.”

... One senior Ukrainian government official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid, called the number of tanks promised by the West a “

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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:40 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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" It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Signym, that sentence means the opposite of the part you quoted because you removed more than half of the original sentence:

Henry Kissinger said in November 1968, after Richard Nixon was elected U.S. president but before he took office: “Nixon should be told that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu (South Vietnamese president Nguyen Van Thieu—ed.) before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.

United Nations Journal: A Delegate’s Odyssey
By William Frank Buckley
New York, NY: Putnam
1974
Pg. 57.

https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/it_may_be_dan
gerous_to_be_americas_enemy_but_to_be_americas_friend_is_fatal


Misrepresenting that quote from Henry Kissinger has become very popular with anti-US propagandists. You are crooked, Signym.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 12:35 PM

And we've been doing what Kissinger warned against ever since whenever. Bc, hey, "regime change" is our middle name!

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" It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 3:08 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And we've been doing what Kissinger warned against ever since whenever. Bc, hey, "regime change" is our middle name!

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" It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


I am telling you, again, that you have the quote incorrect. The correct quote says exactly the opposite. It goes like this:

Henry Kissinger said in November 1968, after Richard Nixon was elected U.S. president but before he took office: “Nixon should be told that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu (South Vietnamese president Nguyen Van Thieu—ed.) before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.

The part of the Kissinger quote that you cut off -- "that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem" -- is very important to understanding the whole sentence. Who is Diem? Read all about that Vietnamese President at "Arrest and assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_assassination_of_Ngo_Dinh_Die
m#US_reaction


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 3:14 PM

Did the Ukrainian Army Kill 1,100 Russians In A Single Day? It’s Certainly Possible.
David Axe | Forbes Staff

Ukrainian forces recently killed 1,090 Russian troops in a single day, the general staff in Kyiv claimed on Saturday.

That’s a staggering rate of loss for a deployed army that might include just 200,000 soldiers and marines, in total.

While it’s always wise to be skeptical of any claim that an army makes about its enemy’s losses, there are good reasons to believe the Russians really could bury a thousand troops in a day.

There also are good reasons to believe they can’t sustain such a high casualty rate for much longer.

The fighting in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region is brutal right now. Russian forces are attacking along several axes and making almost no progress anywhere but along the flanks of the Ukrainian garrison in the ruins of the eastern town of Bakhmut.

In and around settlements such as Vuhledar, repeated Russian assaults have disintegrated. Mired in minefields. Pummeled by artillery. Run over by aggressive Ukrainian tank counterattacks. When a Russian brigade loses dozens of armored vehicles in one failed attack, it might also lose hundreds of soldiers.

1,090 “liquidated” Russian troops, to borrow the Ukrainian general staff’s phrasing, is on the upper boundaries of Russia’s typical daily loss since Russian president Vladimir Putin widened his war on Ukraine in late February 2022.

U.S. officials in early February estimated Russia’s total casualties—killed and wounded—as “approaching 200,000.” But the analysts at the independent Conflict Intelligence Team believed Russian losses at the time were closer to 270,000. And after a month of hard fighting in Bakhmut, 270,000 might be an undercount.

Assuming a three-to-one ratio of wounded to killed, Russian fatalities in the first year of the wider war could number 68,000, if you believe CIT’s estimate. That’s 200 killed per day, on average.

But the average loss isn’t the median loss. Some days have been far bloodier than the average day. Some may even have been worse than the day the Ukrainian general staff described on Saturday.

U.S. Army general Mark Milley, the chairmain of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, claimed the Russians lost “closer to 1,200” killed around Bakhmut in a single day in mid-February. “That’s Iwo Jima, that’s Shiloh,” Hertling said, referring to some of the bloodiest battles in American history.

Battlefield intel underscores the feasibility of a thousand-a-day loss rate. On or around March 14, a Ukrainian soldier found, on the killing fields around Vuhledar, a notebook apparently belonging to a Russian officer.

The notebook seems to provide a daily tally of manpower in a battalion-size assault group. A hundred soldiers attacked Ukrainian positions on March 1, according to the notes. Just 16 came back.

Two days later, 116 Russians attacked. Twenty-three survived. On March 4, 103 soldiers left their bivouac. Just 15 came back. The next day, out of 115 attackers, three returned. If the notes are reliable, that single Russian formation lost 377 troops in the span of five days.

All that is to say, it’s conceivable the Russians occasionally lose a thousand men a day across Ukraine.

Western armies almost certainly would not keep fighting under similar conditions. “I cannot wrap my head around these kinds of casualties and how Russian commanders don’t even blink about sending in more,” commented Mark Hertling, a retired U.S. Army general.

The Russian army isn’t a Western army, of course. But if history is a guide, even the Russians have a breaking point.

Last month, Volodymyr Dacenko—a Forbes columnist and former member of a military-industrial reform team in Ukraine—assessed the overall casualty rates in several wars and arrived at a sobering conclusion. The Russian army appears to be losing .144 percent of its deployed force every day in Ukraine. https://twitter.com/volodymyr_d_/status/1625949051542769692

That’s not the highest loss rate in recent history. But wars with higher casualty r

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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 5:06 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And we've been doing what Kissinger warned against ever since whenever. Bc, hey, "regime change" is our middle name!

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" It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


I am telling you, again, that you have the quote incorrect. The correct quote says exactly the opposite. It goes like this:

Henry Kissinger said in November 1968, after Richard Nixon was elected U.S. president but before he took office: “Nixon should be told that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu (South Vietnamese president Nguyen Van Thieu—ed.) before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.

The part of the Kissinger quote that you cut off -- "that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem" -- is very important to understanding the whole sentence. Who is Diem? Read all about that Vietnamese President at "Arrest and assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_assassination_of_Ngo_Dinh_Die
m#US_reaction


Oh yeah, SECOND, who is Diem?

Well, he was South Vietnam's leader who was assasinated in a coup at least partly sponsored by the CIA
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A newly declassified report by the Inspector General of the United States Central Intelligence Agency reveals that the South Vietnamese generals who overthrew President Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963 used CIA money “to reward opposition military who joined the coup”.


To have the USA assasinate TWO South Vietnamese leaders in such a short span .... well, that wouldn't do, would it? (Especially if you consider the CIA's role in regime chnages elsehere) because, yanno, it really WOULD cement the idea already floating around that "to be America's friend is fatal.

Kissinger was being ironic, not naive. I'm sticking with my quote. You can continue to bitch about it all you like.



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" It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:14 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

To have the USA assasinate TWO South Vietnamese leaders in such a short span .... well, that wouldn't do, would it? (Especially if you consider the CIA's role in regime chnages elsehere) because, yanno, it really WOULD cement the idea already floating around that "to be America's friend is fatal.

Kissinger was being ironic, not naive. I'm sticking with my quote. You can continue to bitch about it all you like.



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" It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


The South Vietnamese Generals murdered a Vietnamese President. After that, Kissinger could have told Nixon plain and simple that South Vietnam was already lost but Nixon was deaf and Kissinger is still a soft voice snake, both slippery and forked-tongued. Nixon was hard of hearing because his legacy depended on "winning" always and somehow, with no limits on how he wins.
1973 Nobel Peace Prize goes to Henry Kissinger & Le Duc Tho
for jointly having negotiated a cease fire in Vietnam in 1973
https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/laureates/1973

The US Army would fail to help a multi-party Democracy exist in Vietnam. Sixty years later, the US Army failed to help another multi-party Democracy to exist in Afghanistan. That 2nd failure was for the exact same reason -- the people of Afghanistan did not, and probably can't understand how a multi-party Democracy is kept functioning. It is a learning disorder with some cultures in the world. That is not a disorder unique to Vietnam and Afghanistan. Texans have the same learning problem. I know for a fact that all Trumptards in Texas don't understand Democracy. It is just a word that they completely misuse for what they are doing, just like Signym misuses or deliberately twists words or lies about important things: "I'm sticking with my quote. You can continue to bitch about it all you like." - Signym.

Signym, all your words on the Ukrainian government being Nazi are lies, just like your Kissinger fake quote.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 16, 2023 2:58 AM

Kyiv adamant about defense of Bakhmut

Ukrainian President Voldoymyr Zelenskyy says military commanders want to inflict "maximum damage" on Russia.

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https://p.dw.com/p/4OggO

Ukraine's top military leaders are determined to face down the Russian onslaught in Bakhmut, President Voldoymyr Zelenskyy said.

He discussed Bakhmut with the military command, who told him they were unanimously in favour of defending the eastern sector that includes Bakhmut.

"There was a clear position of the entire general staff: Reinforce this sector and inflict maximum possible damage upon the occupier," Zelenskyy said in his nightly video address.

Bakhmut has been the site of months of intense fighting with Russia pushing to take control of the area in Ukraine's Donetsk province.

Although it would provide a stepping stone for Russia to advance on two bigger Donetsk cities, Kramatorsk and Sloviansk, many analysts have repeatedly said it has little strategic value.

"I think it is more of a symbolic value than it is strategic and operational value," US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said earlier this month.

Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the commander in chief of Ukraine's armed forces, however, disagrees.

"The defensive operation in (Bakhmut) is of paramount strategic importance to deterring the enemy. It is key for the stability of the defense of the entire front line," he said during the meeting with Zelenskyy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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