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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, February 21, 2023 6:58 PM

FEBRUARY 21, 2023 / 6:40 AM

In his long-delayed state-of-the-nation address, Putin cast Russia — and Ukraine — as victims of Western double-dealing and said Russia, not Ukraine, was the one fighting for its very existence.

"We aren't fighting the Ukrainian people," Putin said in a speech days before the war's first anniversary on Friday. Ukraine "has become hostage of the Kyiv regime and its Western masters, which have effectively occupied the country."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-ukraine-war-speech-today-blames-us-
nato-after-one-year-invasion
/

Continuing his speech, Putin said, "Up is down. Believe me."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Tuesday, February 21, 2023 8:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Ukraine sounds like Vietnam 2.0.

Mistake then.
Mistake now.




'Black Swan' Author Says Biden's Walk Through Kyiv Streets 'Worst Humiliation' For Putin

"Black Swan" author Nassim Nicholas Taleb said it was the “worst humiliation” for Vladimir Putin that President Joe Biden visited Ukraine on Monday.

Taleb referred to Putin by his middle name and tweeted, “Vladimir Vladimirovich was imagining himself walking around in Kyiv in March 2022, just as Hilter and Churchill toured Paris and Berlin, respectively, the type of thing that makes a conquest a conquest.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/black-swan-author-says-biden-s-wa
lk-through-kyiv-streets-worst-humiliation-for-putin/ar-AA17JFF0?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=36d70b1a0c4f4187883e7d36ba0ee4dc




Yep, I'll say it again. Told you so comrade.

T

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THG
Tuesday, February 21, 2023 9:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


And for someone who keep complaining that "Russians keep threatending nukes" there YOU are.... threatening nukes.
You crazy.





Putin pulls back from last remaining nuclear arms control pact with the US

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-pulls-back-from-last-remain
ing-nuclear-arms-control-pact-with-the-us/ar-AA17L5Hh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fbbd1bda25954fe9be58e7f6ffb26940




Here you go comrade.

T

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Tuesday, February 21, 2023 11:07 PM

Dood:the WH called Moscow to ask them "Please don't bomb Kiev while Biden* is here, pretty please".

You such a tool.

Also, since WE pulled out of all the other nuclear weapons treaties, why should they take any of them seriously?

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, February 21, 2023 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Good. Fuck Ukraine.

Trump knows what Putin and Trumptards need:

Trump says his personal relationship with Vladimir Putin would have kept the Russian president from invading Ukraine a year ago.

"If you watch and understand the moves being made by Biden on Ukraine, he is systematically, but perhaps unknowingly, pushing us into what could soon be WORLD WAR III," Trump wrote on his Truth Social network. "How crazy is that?"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/02/21/ukraine-russia-wa
r-live-updates/11310591002
/

I would not be surprised if Trump has been speaking to Putin on the phone, despite lawyers telling him that diplomacy by a private citizen is illegal. "How could it be wrong to promise Putin all of Ukraine if he helps my campaign?" bullheaded Trump would ask. (See the legal reasoning in Trump's first impeachment, over Ukraine, for how it is wrong.)

Trump's First Impeachment
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+first+impeachment

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 21, 2023 11:11 PM

East Palestine Mayor Is Furious: Biden's Ukraine Visit To Hand Out Millions "Biggest Slap In The Face"
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/east-palestine-mayor-furious-biden
s-ukraine-visit-hand-out-millions-biggest-slap-face


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Tuesday, February 21, 2023 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
East Palestine Mayor Is Furious: Biden's Ukraine Visit To Hand Out Millions "Biggest Slap In The Face"
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/east-palestine-mayor-furious-biden
s-ukraine-visit-hand-out-millions-biggest-slap-face

Democratic US Senator Sherrod Brown from Ohio @SenSherrodBrown
NEW: @EPA will force Norfolk Southern to pay for all cleanup & testing in East Palestine or face legal action.

I've been clear from the start—Norfolk Southern created this mess, and they're responsible for making things right.

nbcnews.com
EPA orders Norfolk Southern to clean up Ohio train derailment, pay costs
If the company fails to complete any actions ordered by EPA, the agency will “immediately” conduct the work, and then seek to compel Norfolk Southern to pay triple the cost.
12:30 PM · Feb 21, 2023
https://twitter.com/SenSherrodBrown/status/1628099736031961088

East Palestine Mayor Trent Conaway, a Trumptard, was on Fox News complaining that Biden was not giving him free money. Trumptards are stupid, which is why their lives are burning dumpster fires polluting America. If you prefer, burning train wrecks instead of dumpster fires.
https://thehill.com/homenews/3867552-east-palestine-mayor-biden-ukrain
e-visit-biggest-slap-in-the-face
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 21, 2023 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Dood:the WH called Moscow to ask them "Please don't bomb Kiev while Biden* is here, pretty please".

You such a tool.

Also, since WE pulled out of all the other nuclear weapons treaties, why should they take any of them seriously?

Joe Biden Could be Assassinated in Ukraine, Russian Pundits Warn

"Propagandists are already discussing Biden's visit to Kyiv. Bloodthirsty as always."

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-ukraine-russia-assassination-russia
-warning-attack-1782412


Putin rages against West in speech decried as absurd propaganda

In an angry state-of-the-nation address, the Russian leader says he will pull out of a nuclear treaty and blames Ukraine for the invasion he started.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/21/russias-leader-putin-accuses-
west-for-war-in-major-speech


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 22, 2023 4:08 PM

Russian military expert on Ukraine: ‘War could end this year’

Al Jazeera interviews Pavel Felgenhauer on the current state of war and possibilities for peace.

There’s a well-known saying that “Russia is never as strong as you fear”, as we see during this year, but “Russia is also never as weak as you hope”. So you can’t just write off Russia. The intensity of the fighting is too high for it to be maintained for long.

There will be problems in the West with supply, but they are a bit more manageable because the Ramstein coalition’s gross GDP is more than 100 times that of Russia. So financially and economically, they are more prepared for a longer conflict than the Russians. (The "Ramstein coalition" refers to the United States-led defense meeting composed of 43 countries held at the Ramstein Air Base in Germany in an effort to rally more financial and military support for Ukraine. )

But who’s going to win? I don’t know. War is like football. Everyone believes that Brazil should win but it doesn’t win every time.

The Russian military has been isolated for more than 100 years from world tendencies in war-making. They are still living in the world of tanks, believing that if you mass enough, victory falls into your lap.

They were not prepared intellectually, mentally, and physically for the conflict.

Of course, this conflict has a long history after the demise of the Soviet Union and the breakup between Ukraine and Russia. This was a serious trauma for the Russian elite. They believed that this was wrong and Ukraine was seen as an integral part of Russia. So, in the end, we will all get back together, back again happily into one great big old Russian family. That’s what many officials told me in the 1990s — that there were no problems that, for instance, there are negative birth rates in Russia and the number of Russians is declining. They said, ‘No problem, Pavel, we will take over a half of Ukraine or Belarus, a half of Kazakhstan, will get after 40 million good Slavic people into the fold and everything is going to be just OK’.

The idea that Ukraine has left Russia for good and will become a totally independent entity was not really contemplated. Maybe as a temporary thing, but not for keeps.

Russia right now wants to freeze the situation more or less as it is on the line of control, as it is. Ukraine says it doesn’t want that. Someone has to give. And that’s most likely going to be on the battlefield.

If one side will begin to clearly win on the battlefield, that will be decisive. Military victory can bring the other side to real crisis — and maybe even regime change.

More at https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/21/qa-dr-pavel-felgenhauer-russi
a-ukraine-war


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 22, 2023 5:35 PM

The Problem With Russia Is Russia
by Oksana Zabuzhko

Ms. Zabuzhko is a Ukrainian novelist, poet and essayist.

KRAKOW, Poland — One year ago this Tuesday, Vladimir Putin recognized the independence of the Russian-backed separatist republics of Donetsk and Luhansk — effectively the starting pistol for Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, which began three days later. For us Ukrainians, the world would never be the same. Yet it was another act of recognition in 2022, one largely neglected, that made my heart beat faster. On Oct. 18, Ukraine’s Parliament declared the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria “temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation.”

I should explain. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Chechnya was one of the two autonomous republics of the newly independent Russian Federation that claimed independence. (The other one was Tatarstan.) But world leaders were by then quite fed up with the discovery that all those union republics that they had for decades regarded simply as administrative units of Russia — Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan and others, still harder to pronounce — appeared to be real things. The West’s shock at this new geography meant that independent Ichkeria had not the slimmest chance of recognition.

The dismemberment of the Soviet empire was duly halted at the borders of the Russian Federation — at the cost of two devastating Chechen wars, for which the Kremlin was given a free hand both domestically and internationally. As a result, Chechnya-Ichkeria became a testing ground for the military strategy now applied against Ukraine: state terrorist warfare.

What if, I keep asking myself, Russia’s new totalitarianism had not been so lightheartedly overlooked by the rest of the world in the 1990s? Back then, to spare humanity the rise of a new Hitler, it would have been enough to let Russia go on peacefully shrinking under proper international control. Alas, the West agreed to blame Communism alone for all the atrocities of the Soviet regime. Russian imperialism was never identified as a problem.

Could this have been — as my war-honed anticolonial acuity prompts me to believe — a case of latent imperialistic solidarity? Was it guilty pleasure that for decades made the elites of the former Western empires smile indulgently, rather than shudder, when faced with the brazen colonial supremacy with which Moscow was treating its non-Russian subjects? I fail to see any other reasonable explanation for why so many in the West clung to the irrational belief that democratic transformation in Russia was just around the corner.

Yet Russia will not become a democracy until it falls apart. That’s because Russia is not really a nation-state but the same premodern multiethnic empire living on geographic expansion and resource looting as 300 years ago — and is thus doomed to reproduce, again and again, under whatever ideological cover, the same prison-ward-like political structure that alone keeps it together.

One intellectual holdover from the imperialistic 19th century is the idea that preserving the Russian empire would be less catastrophic, in terms of humanitarian consequences, than recognizing the right to life of dozens of peoples whose lot under Moscow’s rule was never anything other than dogged survival, under the threat of extinction. This prejudice helped the empire to survive twice in the 20th century, in 1921 and in 1991. It is high time to rethink it.

I remember only too well how the specter of extinction was stalking Ukraine through the 1970s and early 1980s, until the Chernobyl disaster finally broke our social paralysis and pushed Ukrainians to take our security into our own hands. In those police years, those who dared to speak Ukrainian in public could be at any moment humiliated with the Russian colonialist phrase “Govorite po-chelovecheski!” (“Speak human!”) If you heard it once and were unable to respond — any discontent about the superiority of everything Russian was labeled Ukrainian nationalism, the worst political crime of the time — you could never forget the ex

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