Did I Just Leave a Cult?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 19, 2023 2:00 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I read most of the article. I couldn't think of any examples of people I know or worked with, or those in my own family, who fit that mold.

Maybe some of my high school classmates grew up that way and/or went down that path. I'm sure they exist somewhere. How else can we have gotten the stupid-female-democrat-suburban-SJW vote? But it's alien to me.

I think you're possibly missing the point of the article by hyper-focusing on her own super-f'd-up family dynamic too. She's only adding that to say how she got to where she used to think and feel about everything, and only when she had children of her own did she realize how toxic that environment has become for her own children.

Regardless of how we all got here today, the kids are REALLY screwed up. It's because in modern America where both parents work and the schools have far more influence on the kid's brains than the families do, they're ripe for indoctrination.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SIGNYM

Sunday, February 19, 2023 2:47 AM

I guess.

In my younger days I did engage in turd-polishing, a bit like JO, crafting some sort of "ideal world" based on ideas that are not only unrealistic but counterproductive.

There are a couple of trains of reaction in that article that I'm trying to disentangle. One thing she seems to be reacting to is rootlessness... where you don't belong to any religion, family, neighborhood, workplace, friendships, or nation. I don't mean theoretical belonging, I mean having family, friends, neighbors, churches who actually step in and play a role in your life, helping you thru rough patches.

I suppose that feeling of non-belonging, alienation, makes people vulnerable to cults of all kinds.

Alienation is represented as "freedom". I read a similar hand-wringing article by a psychologist who specializes in treating dysphoric teens and young adults. She zeroed in on a couple of teens in particular, whose main concern seemed to be that they didn't know what they wanted from the future. What sex? What gender? What lifestyle? What belief system? Life was presented to them as an endless cornucopia of choices. (Really?) Meanwhile parents are pressuring to adopt a lifestyle they clearly weren't happy with themselves. One of them wanted to retreat to raising fluffy puppies out in the country.

AS IF!
That's what comes from choices and desires unbounded by reality. Like the author of the article: unmoored thinking.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 19, 2023 2:57 AM

Well that's the dilemma...

I had all the freedom in the world with zero responsibility, and what did I do with it? I ate shit food, I drank a tanker truck worth of cheap beer every year until my teeth fell out, I put on 70lbs, I let my house fall apart, I squandered a bunch of cash, I alienated anybody who still cared about me and I provided no net positive to anybody including myself.

It was only when I sobered up and fixed some relationships (and formed some obligations) that my life started getting improving. Like my Step-Dad always used to tell me, "No man is an island". He also extolled the virtues of Balance, which I'm now trying to incorporate in my life whenever possible.

In my mid-20's when I read 1984, I saw myself in Winston and thought he was the "Good Guy". In my mid-40's I'm not so sure that's the case. He's not a "Bad Guy", and Big Brother certainly isn't the Good Guy, but I'm not so sure about my feelings on Winston himself anymore. It would be interesting to get to know him all over again in a completely different setting that wasn't absolute oppression of all human life 24/7.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SECOND

Sunday, February 19, 2023 4:52 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

In my mid-20's when I read 1984, I saw myself in Winston and thought he was the "Good Guy". In my mid-40's I'm not so sure that's the case. He's not a "Bad Guy", and Big Brother certainly isn't the Good Guy, but I'm not so sure about my feelings on Winston himself anymore. It would be interesting to get to know him all over again in a completely different setting that wasn't absolute oppression of all human life 24/7.

How do you "feel" about the Joker? 6ix, what explains your obsession with Joker? 100 posts by you!

Joker director blasts far Left Cancel Culture.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63299&mid=10838
27#1083827

Joker
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=36&tid=63327&mid=10857
85#1085785

The Joker was the freest American imaginable, doing whatever felt best. Arthur Fleck (Joker) taught 6ix and all Trumptards how to offend the SJW crowd. Fleck will next teach Harley Quinn how to offend the SJW crowd:
"See Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn for the First Time in 'Joker' Sequel Photo"
Joker: Folie à Deux releases Oct. 4, 2024
https://people.com/movies/lady-gaga-as-harley-quinn-for-the-first-time
-in-joker-sequel-photo/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, February 19, 2023 5:39 AM

Since this thread has gone massively off topic

and because I do not care for Team A vs Team B in US politics, or Team B versus Team A

I will say Joker 2019 was an ok-ish movie, I thought it was degenerate but it would have been a better film if it was called 'Mr Mad Joke Man' and had nothing to do with DC comics.

Also as a film it might have ripped off, the King Of Comedy was a much better movie

Trailer

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 19, 2023 5:49 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

In my mid-20's when I read 1984, I saw myself in Winston and thought he was the "Good Guy". In my mid-40's I'm not so sure that's the case. He's not a "Bad Guy", and Big Brother certainly isn't the Good Guy, but I'm not so sure about my feelings on Winston himself anymore. It would be interesting to get to know him all over again in a completely different setting that wasn't absolute oppression of all human life 24/7.
How do you "feel" about the Joker? 6ix, what explains your obsession with Joker? 100 posts by you!

Oh, fuck off with that, Arthur.

I've got about 100 posts on Avatar 2 for the very same reason. Watching woke trash lose to Maverick, just like I was watching Joker destroy Star Wars on a $50,000,000 budget.

I never once said that Joker was a good guy or that I looked up to him in any of those posts. I praised Phoenix's acting ability and said that I was worried about his mental state after immersing himself in that role, especially after what happened to Ledger.

I also said that I was exhausted after experiencing that movie in the theater. It was a grueling watch. And I've never seen it again.

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The Joker was the freest American imaginable, doing whatever felt best.

No. He wasn't. He was penniless and insane to the point that the entire movie might have just been the imagining of a deranged person instead of "real" events in his universe. He was the exact opposite of free.

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Arthur Fleck (Joker) taught 6ix and all Trumptards how to offend the SJW crowd.

Fuck the whiny little easily offended ugly and fat people who cry on Twitter. Nobody needed anybody to teach them how to kick nerd's asses. And after this little social experiment is over, and trust me... it WILL be ending soon, people are going to go right back to kicking their asses like they always did and we won't ever have to hear them whining again.

Why don't you make good on your threats and come over to my house so I can show you what I'm talking about, nerd.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 19, 2023 5:51 AM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Since this thread has gone massively off topic

Leave it to Second, our resident waste of carbon. He does that to everybody's threads.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SECOND

Sunday, February 19, 2023 6:43 AM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Since this thread has gone massively off topic

Leave it to Second, our resident waste of carbon. He does that to everybody's threads.

The topic of every thread is "What is going on in the brains of Trumptards?" Psychologists can diagnose people by what they dream about and talk about during therapy. 6ix has used this website for therapy, to reveal his inner self. He has written "Fuck Ukraine" as many times as he praised "Joker" or wrote "Democrats are cancer", "Trump will be fine" and "vaccines are poison". It is amazing when 6ix removed his brain from his skull to show everybody what is inside his funny little mind. 6ix, it is unsurprising that your life is very similar to all the other Trumptards I know. You all struggle to stay in the middle class. You all blame your struggles on Democrats, not yourselves or your warped brains.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, February 19, 2023 7:54 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Since this thread has gone massively off topic

Leave it to Second, our resident waste of carbon. He does that to everybody's threads.
The topic of every thread is "What is going on in the brains of Trumptards?"

Whatever.

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Hubby and I spent some time talking about the original article and how ppl can avoid any sort of ideological"purity" trap, and it seems to us that being "results oriented" stomps on ideology. If you really want to achieve something, you should go out and try. You may learn that you can't save the world/ promote women etc. bc the forces arrayed against you are too great.

Back in "uni" days I remember sitting in on some leftist discussion groups. They turned into competitions of who was more "pure", who interpreted Marx/ Lenin/ Trotsky/ Engels/ (fill in the blank) more "correctly". But when it came to organizing the teaching assistants into a union they were nowhere to be found.

Same with the few "women studies* classes I briefly audited. Oh my, they could grind on a grotch forever! Chapter and verse about past injustices. All correct! But only a few put on their big girl pants and got degrees in engineering, physics, math, chemistry... And when it came to getting women's bathrooms in the engineering building... Again, nowhere to be found.

We have a mutual friend. He's spent a lifetime talking with his leftist friends and marching in "demos" but he made the most difference when he was a bosun's mate and union rep on Great Lakes freighters, or was a patient rep at a care facility.

Get out and "do" and see if you're achieving anything.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Sunday, February 19, 2023 5:22 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I never once said that Joker was a good guy or that I looked up to him in any of those posts. I praised Phoenix's acting ability and said that I was worried about his mental state after immersing himself in that role, especially after what happened to Ledger.

I also said that I was exhausted after experiencing that movie in the theater. It was a grueling watch. And I've never seen it again.

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The Joker was the freest American imaginable, doing whatever felt best.

No. He wasn't. He was penniless and insane to the point that the entire movie might have just been the imagining of a deranged person instead of "real" events in his universe. He was the exact opposite of free.

Out of order:

1) Every event in Joker happened. None of it was the Joker hallucinating nor was there an M. Night Shyamalan plot twist completely reinterpreting all previous action.

2) Joker had an extremely simple character arc. He starts as a guy who follows all the rules. Rules make him unhappy while being a clown. Then he has a DIVINE revelation. Call it an epiphany. Call it a belief in himself and his power as a free American to make his own rules. He is not a failure. He is not unimportant in the scheme of life. He is not even mentally ill! He is free to be whatever pleases himself. There are no rules. He Is A GOD Wearing Clown Makeup Who Is Dealing Out Death To All Who Disbelieve In The Joker's Vision. He only has a gun but at long last, the Joker is a (small) SUCCESS! HE IS FAMOUS! AND ON TV! All his previous suffering, sadness, and sins are dissolved and washed away leaving only pure ANARCHY.

3) I was afraid Joaquin Phoenix might pull a muscle because he was acting so hard but I was never afraid he'd go crazy playing Joker. He didn't go crazy playing Commodus, the Evil Emperor, in the R-rated movie Gladiator (2000). Neither was there a danger to his mental health while playing the main character in R-rated Joker (2019).

4) The difference between Gladiator and Joker is that the gladiator justifiably kills Joaquin Phoenix because he deserves it while the Joker, living in lawless America rather than ancient Rome, doesn't get what he deserves. There are so many Americans that have to kill themselves slowly (e.g. Rush Limbaugh) because nobody will do the just and proper thing for them quickly in America, the Land of the Free to be the biggest failure within your powers.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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