Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Originally posted by K2PO:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This is a war of NATO aggression
The foundation for any kind of political discussion is a common agreement of basic facts.
I agree.
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A basic fact of this war is that Russia started it.
Bullshit.
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It spent months massing troops and equipment on Ukraine's border, denying that it planned to invade; then it invaded.
MONTHS MOTHERFUCKER! THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE AT LEAST 2014 WHEN WE OVERTHREW UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT AND INSTALLED ZELENSKY!
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We all watched this unfold in real time about a year ago. If you are asserting otherwise, then there's no point talking to you.
But I think you are actually saying NATO provoked Russia into starting this war - but for some reason it's not enough for you to say that. You feel the need to use rhetoric and twist the meaning of words to make your point more emphatic.
Let me be VERY clear so there is no more confusion in your head.
NATO PROVOKED RUSSIA. NATO ALWAYS PROVOKES RUSSIA.
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The statement of yours I quoted is dishonest. My question to you: why do you feel the need to be dishonest? If your cause is true and righteous, why not tell it straight? (This also goes for the people who, I'm guessing, you read/listened to and got the original phrase from).
Something to think about.
There is NO dishonesty here. I might be the only one telling you what's really going on because you've got your head so far up your echo chamber.
And no. I don't need to "get my phrases" from other people. I don't steal articles like Second always does. I'm perfectly capable of using big-boy words all on my own because unlike most people here, my education stuck.
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Quote:You see, son, you've got your "facts" bass akwards.
Originally posted by K2PO:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The USA doesn't just "support wars, it wages them. Directly. You keep avoiding that fact, so I guess you're Ok with that.
Originally posted by K2PO:
You don't support the USA supporting wars.
Of course it wages them. "supporting" was a typo. I meant "starting".Quote:
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You *do* support Russia starting wars.
Bullshit.
You don't support Russia in its wars? Ukraine? Syria? (it didn't start that one but it did wage it)
Was Russia fighting the Syrian government in Syria?
NO, IT WASN't.
Russia was INVITED by the Syrian govenment. And who, eactly, WAS Russia fighting in Syria? Well, Saudi-supported ISIS. Turk-supported Sunni jihadists. AMERICAN supported "moderate rebels" AKA jihadists. American-supported separatist Kurds (who BTW ere offerred cultural autonomy by the Syrian government. I guess that wasn't goodenough for them) American troops themselves. All gathered together to overthrow the ELECTED Assad government. And BTW, American troops ae STILL in Syria, STILL stealing Syrian oil.
Now, who is Russia fighting in Ukraine? A government installed by the USA after overthrowing their ELECTED government. A government that shelled civilian centers for eight years, that signed and reneged on not one, but TWO peace agreements, that massed troops on the contact line long before Russia ever responded by massing THEIR troops. Because, you see, while Ukraine is not in NATO, NATO is in Ukraine. Zelenskiy gets his directions and money from USA. NATO has got its fingers up Ukraine's ass and is talking out of Zeleneskiy's mouth.
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Rajan Menon, Director of the Grand Strategy Program at Defense Priorities, told Newsweek on Saturday, "there's no doubt that the Russian army has committed war crimes: I've been to some of the most notorious sites, such as Bucha, just outside Kyiv."
"The Russian claim that these crimes were staged by the Ukrainians is absurd on its face and has been demonstrated to be false, for example in the superbly researched documentary expose done by the AP and PBS," Menon continued.
Menon argued, "Ukraine certainly has a strong moral claim to justice, but as a practical matter it's hard for me to envision Russian soldiers, let alone commanders and Putin and other senior officials, in the dock at an international tribunal."
"When war crimes have been committed during wars among states (as opposed to civil wars) such trials have made possible because the perpetrator was defeated and occupied: e.g., Germany and Japan after World War II. Whatever the outcome of the war in Ukraine, there's no chance that Russia will find itself in that position," Menon concluded.
https://www.newsweek.com/russias-war-crimes-reach-three-digit-range-ge
rmany-warns-1778986
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Putin Was Joking
Multiple assassination attempts against Zelensky have been thwarted since the start of Russia’s invasion.
Former prime minister Naftali Bennett said in a video published Saturday that Russian President Vladimir Putin assured him, in the early days of the war, that he wouldn’t kill Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
“He gave me two great concessions,” Bennett said of his March 5, 2022, meeting with Putin, when he flew to Moscow in an effort to mediate shortly after Russia began its invasion.
“I knew Zelensky was under threat, in a bunker… I said to [Putin], ‘Do you intend to kill Zelensky?’ He said, ‘I won’t kill Zelensky,’” Bennett recalled in the interview, which was published on his own YouTube channel.
“I need to understand. Are you giving me your word that you won’t kill Zelensky?” Bennett said he asked Putin.
Bennett said the Russian president repeated: “I won’t kill Zelensky.” (Putin kept his word. Mercenaries from the Wagner Group, not Putin, tried to kill Zelensky.)
Bennett said he called the Ukrainian president immediately after the three-hour encounter with Putin, and told him, “I’ve just come out of a meeting — [Putin] is not going to kill you.
“[Zelensky] asked me, ‘Are you sure?’ I said 100 percent. [Putin’s] not going to kill you.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-putin-assured-me-at-moscow-meeti
ng-he-wouldnt-kill-zelensky/
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Russia steps up threats against Republic of Moldova
by Vitalie Calugareanu | Robert Schwartz
Russia's foreign minister has warned that Moldova could meet the same fate as Ukraine. He says that the West is stirring up anti-Russian sentiment. Moldova has rejected his comments as propaganda.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has suggested that Moldova is the West's new "anti-Russian project." In an interview for Russian state television, he declared that the West had now "set its sights on the Republic of Moldova to have the role of the next Ukraine."
Russia's more or less direct threats against Moldova have intensified since it began the war of aggression against Ukraine almost a year ago.
In the interview, which was banned from broadcast in Moldova because of accusations of propaganda, Lavrov also stated that pro-European Moldovan President Maia Sandu had been appointed with methods that were "far from being freely democratic" and that she was pursuing a deeply anti-Russian approach. He added that she was "a president who wants to join NATO, has Romanian citizenship, is ready to unite with Romania and, in general, is ready for almost anything."
"This is one of the countries that the West wants to turn into another anti-Russia," he said.
Debate over Transnistria conflict
The foreign minister continued by criticizing the Moldovan government in Chisinau for refusing to resume the 5+2 negotiations on resolving the Transnistria conflict. Russia and the separatist regime in Transnistria, a pro-Russian breakaway region that split from Moldova in the early 1990s after a bloody war, insist that talks should continue, especially considering the setbacks of the Russian army in Ukraine.
Lavrov said that "hand in hand with the pro-NATO, pro-EU drive," the fact that Moldova refused to resume the negotiations spoke "volumes." He added that Moldova was even planning to expel Russian "peacekeepers" from Transnistria.
There are some 2,000 Russian soldiers stationed in Transnistria, which is a narrow strip of land in eastern Moldova. Many of them are there to guard a former Soviet ammunition depot in the village of Cobasna that contains up to 20,000 tons of Soviet-era weapons. It is the largest such depot in Europe. In 1999, Russia committed to withdrawing troops and weapons, but it has not fulfilled this promise.
Russia accuses Moldovan president of anti-Russian stance
At the end of January, the Moldovan president said that there was a "serious discussion" about her country's capacity to defend itself and whether it should be part of a "larger alliance" in an interview with the US magazine Politico. She added: "And if we come, at some point, to the conclusion as a nation that we need to change neutrality, this should happen through a democratic process."
Moldova's neutrality, which is enshrined in the constitution, has become the subject of more intense debate since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However, there would currently not be enough support in parliament for a constitutional amendment.
Veiled threats and warnings against Moldova
But in the wake of President Sandu's remarks, there have been several veiled warnings from Russian politicians close to Russian President Vladimir Putin, that joining NATO would be a sure way of destroying the state of Moldova.
Moreover, in a video conference with Russian politicians, Vitali Ignatiev, the so-called foreign minister of Transnistria, complained about "increased pressure" on the unrecognized republic due to the fact that the Moldovan army had expanded its defense capacities. He also said that there was increasing "repression of everything Russian" in Moldova. This is an argument typically used by Russian propagandists to justify military aggression against independent states, including Ukraine and Georgia.
The Moldovan Foreign Ministry was quick to react to the latest threats by Lavr
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You see, son, you've got your "facts" bass akwards.
Originally posted by K2PO:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The USA doesn't just "support wars, it wages them. Directly. You keep avoiding that fact, so I guess you're Ok with that.
Originally posted by K2PO:
You don't support the USA supporting wars.
Of course it wages them. "supporting" was a typo. I meant "starting".Quote:
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You *do* support Russia starting wars.
Bullshit.
You don't support Russia in its wars? Ukraine? Syria? (it didn't start that one but it did wage it)
Was Russia fighting the Syrian government in Syria?
NO, IT WASN't.
Russia was INVITED by the Syrian govenment. And who, eactly, WAS Russia fighting in Syria? Well, Saudi-supported ISIS. Turk-supported Sunni jihadists. AMERICAN supported "moderate rebels" AKA jihadists. American-supported separatist Kurds (who BTW ere offerred cultural autonomy by the Syrian government. I guess that wasn't goodenough for them) American troops themselves. All gathered together to overthrow the ELECTED Assad government. And BTW, American troops ae STILL in Syria, STILL stealing Syrian oil.
Now, who is Russia fighting in Ukraine? A government installed by the USA after overthrowing their ELECTED government. A government that shelled civilian centers for eight years, that signed and reneged on not one, but TWO peace agreements, that massed troops on the contact line long before Russia ever responded by massing THEIR troops. Because, you see, while Ukraine is not in NATO, NATO is in Ukraine. Zelenskiy gets his directions and money from USA. NATO has got its fingers up Ukraine's ass and is talking out of Zeleneskiy's mouth.
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Lol Sig, I made the point that you were a warmonger for Russia's wars. You respond by... warmongering for Russia's wars.
You think warmongers are all, "Invade their land, kill their men, steal their resources, rape their women!"
No. Warmongers preach the righteousness of their wars.
American neocons: "Axis of Evil!"
Putinist neocons: "Nazis!"
American neocons: "WMDs! Missiles!"
Putinist neocons: "WMDs! Missiles!"
American neocons: "The people need to be liberated"
Putinist neocons: "The people need to be liberated"
Then the invasion happens: the men are killed, the women are raped, the resources are stolen - and people like you defend or whitewash or cheer it on.
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Josep Borrell, Vice-President of the European Commission, writes:
I, for one, have long argued that we must provide Ukraine with the means to push Russia out. Tanks are necessary for Ukrainian forces to break through the current stalemate of trench warfare and to regain the momentum they had last fall when they retook Kharkiv Oblast and Kherson.
Reaching the “tank agreement” took time and intense discussions, including at the European Union Foreign Affairs Council.
The breakthrough came when Germany agreed to deliver Leopard 2s, in coordination with the United States, which will provide some 30 M1 Abrams. Although delivery of these assets will take time and require intensive training and maintenance, the result is not confined to the battlefield. We have sent another powerful signal to Russia that Putin was wrong – once again – to doubt our resolve.
Of course, some will argue that more weapons will prolong the war and risk further escalation and that diplomatic negotiations are the only solution.
But while Europeans will always remain open to anyone who is serious about seeking a negotiated and just end to the war, Russia so far has made clear that it intends to persist with its war crimes.
Everyone who has tried to negotiate with Putin has come back empty-handed. Until that changes, we must conclude that the only way to end the war is to give Ukraine the means to drive out the invader.
[Continue reading at https://kyivindependent.com/opinion/josep-borrell-making-ukrainian-vic
tory-possible ]
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Europe imposed a ban Sunday on Russian diesel fuel and other refined oil products, slashing energy dependency on Moscow and seeking to further crimp the Kremlin’s fossil fuel earnings as punishment for invading Ukraine. Russia, at one point, delivered 10% of Europe’s total diesel needs.
The ban comes along with a price cap agreed by the Group of Seven allied democracies. The price cap of $100 per barrel for diesel, jet fuel and gasoline is to be enforced by barring insurance and shipping services from handling diesel priced over the limit. Most of those companies are located in Western countries.
It follows a $60-per-barrel cap on Russian crude that took effect in December and is supposed to work the same way. Both the diesel and oil caps could be tightened later.
https://apnews.com/article/european-union-russia-government-moscow-eur
ope-china-a855facf78132a8805c9ba52dd0fab60
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Originally posted by K2PO:
You don't support the USA supporting wars.
SIGNY: The USA doesn't just "support wars, it wages them. Directly. You keep avoiding that fact, so I guess you're Ok with that.
K2PO: Of course it wages them. "supporting" was a typo. I meant "starting".
...You *do* support Russia starting wars.
SIGNY: Bullshit.
K2PO: You don't support Russia in its wars? Ukraine? Syria? (it didn't start that one but it did wage it)
SIGNY: You see, son, you've got your "facts" bass akwards.
Was Russia fighting the Syrian government in Syria?
NO, IT WASN't.
Russia was INVITED by the Syrian govenment. And who, eactly, WAS Russia fighting in Syria? Well, Saudi-supported ISIS. Turk-supported Sunni jihadists. AMERICAN supported "moderate rebels" AKA jihadists. American-supported separatist Kurds (who BTW ere offerred cultural autonomy by the Syrian government. I guess that wasn't goodenough for them) American troops themselves. All gathered together to overthrow the ELECTED Assad government. And BTW, American troops ae STILL in Syria, STILL stealing Syrian oil.
Now, who is Russia fighting in Ukraine? A government installed by the USA after overthrowing their ELECTED government. A government that shelled civilian centers for eight years, that signed and reneged on not one, but TWO peace agreements, that massed troops on the contact line long before Russia ever responded by massing THEIR troops. Because, you see, while Ukraine is not in NATO, NATO is in Ukraine. Zelenskiy gets his directions and money from USA. NATO has got its fingers up Ukraine's ass and is talking out of Zeleneskiy's mouth.
K2PO: Lol Sig, I made the point that you were a warmonger for Russia's wars. You respond by... warmongering for Russia's wars.
You think warmongers are all, "Invade their land, kill their men, steal their resources, rape their women!"
No. Warmongers preach the righteousness of their wars.
Oh, like
"Human rights"?
"Think of the women/LGBTQX/fill in the blank"?
"R2P"?
"Fight for democracy"?
"Global war
"Assad gassed his own people"?
(Phony) WMD?
"Qaddafi massacred his own people"?
Yep.
We invent unachievable "reasons" to continue waging unending war.
Trust me, son, YOU'VE SAID THEM ALL.
Russia's reason is clear:
Further expansion of NATO puts missiles within minutes of Moscow and is an unacceptable security threat. We could solve that problem with a treaty ...except of course we won't, and even if we did sign a treaty we'd never stick to it bc we've never stuck to ANY of our agreements. They get in the way of the neocon hegemony project.
Oh yeah: Fuck you and fuck Ukraine.
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Don't think that the fact that K2PO didn't reply to me went unnoticed.
It didn't.
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