Is it such a bad thing?
POSTED BY: AngusThermopyle
UPDATED: Thursday, February 3, 2005 19:40
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Quote:That's quite true. Nothing like an attack on our own soil to make us wake up and say "HEY! DON'T DO THAT!"
Originally posted by AngusThermopyle:
The US didn't join WWII because the Germans were invading other countries. If that'd been the case, they would've joined in 1939 when Britain declared a state of war between her and Germany following Germany's invasion of Poland. The US didn't give a toss about Germany annexing other countries until Japan joined and made things a little more uncomfortable. America joined because of Pearl Harbour and for no other reason.
There are others who would argue that we were biding our time, waiting for the right moment. We were burned pretty badly by WWI and the country was not enthusiastic about going to war. FDR wanted us in sooner, and used Pearl Harbor as the excuse.
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Originally posted by Channain:
We were burned pretty badly by WWI
Erm, I'm probably going to regret interjecting here, and I know this sounds like I'm starting a childish p*ssing contest over war casualties...that really isn't my intention
Did you realize that the losses for the USA in WW1 were between 50,000 and 100,000 (sources differ). Britain & Empire (not my choice of term,that's the official reference for this info) 1 million; France & Empire - 1.3 million; even Italy lost 500,000.
I'm not trying to dismiss your losses and say you guys weren't burnt pretty badly. 50,000 - 100,000 deaths is horrific, a number that is so large it is hard to really appreciate just what that means.
I guess itjust grated a bit when I read that part of your comment Channain. Please don't take this as a flame or anything, 'tisn't meant that way.
*britchick adopts the brace position and covers head with hands*
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Quote:Oh stop it! I haven't smacked anyone yet. Unless it was for fun, of course
Originally posted by britchick:
Did you realize that the losses for the USA in WW1 were between 50,000 and 100,000 (sources differ). Britain & Empire (not my choice of term,that's the official reference for this info) 1 million; France & Empire - 1.3 million; even Italy lost 500,000.
I'm not trying to dismiss your losses and say you guys weren't burnt pretty badly. 50,000 - 100,000 deaths is horrific, a number that is so large it is hard to really appreciate just what that means.
I guess it just grated a bit when I read that part of your comment Channain. Please don't take this as a flame or anything, 'tisn't meant that way.
*britchick adopts the brace position and covers head with hands*
It's a fact, US losses were not nearly as tremendous. I can't dispute that and would never try to. But we were in a different place in those days and psychologially the country was hit pretty hard. I think the thing was that we didn't ever want to be in the position that the rest of the world was. A short-sighted view? Definitely. But it was the lack of popular public support that kept us out of WWII for so long. That, too was unfortunate. But the quote from the Japanese officer "I fear we have only awoken a sleeping giant," is true.
I often wonder, had we gotten into it sooner what the outcome would have been.
The rumor also goes that FDR knew about the Japanese attack well ahead of time and could have prepared our forces to receive it. Only he didn't because THAT is how badly he wanted to get into the war. In the end, WWII pulled us out of the Depression, so he comes up smelling like a rose. Ironic, don't you think?
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Well I actually was stupid and lazy and only read the first two or three posts and then posted a reply, so this post now actually makes no sense in the context of the thread as it has developed - but I kinda like a few of the points I made
I've been struggling with this in my mind for a while now. The question is whether it is fair to criticise Joss, or rather bite the hand that feeds so many of us posting here, (well I'm usually a lurker but meh.)
After reading reviews of Angel, Buffy and Firefly on the television without pity site (which Nathan himself mentioned in a post which brought it to my attention) I had extremely mixed feelings. The reviews were deeply critical and mean at some points, but deeply funny at other points and in the Angel reviews some credit was given. They were unessecarily mean to Firefly though (the best of Whedon in my opinion.)
Someone posted somewhere (I forget) that they had protested about people being critical of Joss, while at the same time being avid fans of his work, and the reply was "I judge Joss on a much higher standards than anything else," which seemed like a very valid point to me.
Joss is incredible - but actually suprisingly human. When on the tiny far between occasions he has disappointed some people (never disappointing everyone) he has always been subject to scathing attacks that I find really really mean. (I don't mean by people here, just in general over the years.) I remember Jewel posting and thanking someone for defending her after a rude comment about her made by some famous guy describing her character "smiling idiotically" and saying that often people don't realise who's lurking.
However I'm not saying we should hide our disappointments about things he (maybe not even him, we assume its the show runner who is in control of EVERYTHING automatically) because I'm sure he might like an honest fan reaction. Overall I think any criticism should be constructive rather than just a simple moan. There is much firefly praise here, but say someone comes here and just clicks on a "what didn't you like about firefly" and just sees chockabloack criticism? There are a few things I didn't like, but the good inifinitely outweighs the bad, and I praise that man every day!
(Just my opinion)
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Personally, I think Jewel is totally adorable and the smile is important to her character. She's an optimist. People who usually object to other people who are like that are usually jaded, bitter and probably don't like themselves too much.
What's so wrong with actually liking life and enjoying other people with no preconceptions. Life would be a hell of a lot less like hell if we could all become like that.
And I'm a very cynical person, so Jewel must've done a good job.
I wasn't happy about the way she was introduced in Out Of Gas, but then I'm old enough to be her father and felt protective of her as much as fancying her lol. Damn, where'd I put me teeth
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I love this random, made-up statistic you've got there. 90% of what? Your girlfriend, your mom and your sister?
When the Taliban was in power, women who were raped were stoned to death for committing adultery.
In Thailand, as soon as poor girls hit puberty they are sold into sex slavery, often to Chinese husbands. Those Chinese men often exist only because their parents aborted their sisters, since they are only allowed to have one child and girls are undesirable.
In Nigeria, women are castrated to prevent them from enjoying sex, and therefore making adultery unlikely.
And in Europe, America, and every other place on earth, Wives and daughters are still beaten daily. In my class, the women who aren't virgins are chastized as sluts but the boys are applauded as players. And this is after great improvements all over the world. We can vote now. There is a whole world of people outside your house.
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Originally posted by Channain:
Oh stop it! I haven't smacked anyone yet. Unless it was for fun, of course
:-) I know Channain.... but this thread in general was pretty full with the personal attacks, ehich made me kinda nervous.
Appreciated the response.
Hazel
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Quote:Yes, I know. Has a tendency to cause just about anyone to respond negatively, even if they don't have a mind to normally, dont' you think? Then again, that was probably the point to this thread and the originator who has admitted he likes to "stir things up." Besides, I appreciated the information and the point of view.
Originally posted by britchick:
:-) I know Channain.... but this thread in general was pretty full with the personal attacks, which made me kinda nervous.
Appreciated the response.
Hazel
I had a great aunt Hazel once - one of my grandmother's sisters. She was fiesty.
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