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Friday, January 6, 2023 2:27 AM

Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia

By Jon Jackson On 1/5/23 at 1:59 PM EST

In a recent interview, the head of Ukraine's military intelligence hinted at a possible end date for his country's war with Russia.

Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine, told ABC News in an interview shared by the outlet on Wednesday that he expects the "hottest" fighting between Ukraine and Russian President Vladimir Putin's forces to occur in March.

Budanov added that he expects Ukraine's military to make a large push against the invading Russians in the spring. According to him, those efforts could lead to what Ukraine feels would be an end to the war.

"This is [when we will see more] liberation of territories and dealing the final defeats to the Russian Federation," Budanov said. "This will happen throughout Ukraine, from Crimea to the Donbas."

ABC News' Britt Clennett asked Budanov about attacks on Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Putin in 2014.

"Crimea is Ukrainian territory, we can use any weapon on our territory," he answered.

Budanov added, "Our goal, and we will achieve it, is returning to the borders of 1991, like Ukraine is recognized by all subjects of international law."

Michael Kimmage, a history professor at the Catholic University of America, told Newsweek recently that Zelensky—emboldened by Putin's recent battlefield losses—could very well try to regain control of Crimea.

However, Kimmage's own speculative timeline for the war's end doesn't align with Budanov's. "I think that the safest bet is to say that it will go on until one side is sort of forced out of the conflict in one way or another," Kimmage said. "We need to think in terms of years, not months."

Budanov's prediction could also be altered by a possible major military offensive from Russia that multiple Ukrainian officials have warned could occur in the coming weeks.

Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov told The Guardian in December that thousands of soldiers who were part of Russia's mobilization drive in October should be sufficiently trained to take part in war efforts by February. Other top officials told The Economist last month that a Russian offensive could come as soon as January.

On Tuesday, Zelensky also spoke in an address of an upcoming aggressive effort from Russia's military, though he did not provide a timeline.

Budanov extended a message to U.S. citizens as well, saying they would see the positive effects that American support for Ukraine has had.

"I promise it will not take too long now, and every taxpayer in the U.S. will be able to see where every cent went," he said. "We will change this world together."

Budanov extended a message to U.S. citizens as well, saying they would see the positive effects that American support for Ukraine has had.

"I promise it will not take too long now, and every taxpayer in the U.S. will be able to see where every cent went," he said. "We will change this world together."


More at https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-reveals-end-date-war-russia-1771612

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, January 6, 2023 6:15 PM

Russia’s capitulation as its saving grace

How should the war end?

To make sure that the war is followed by peace rather than a simple ceasefire, the final peace treaty should be signed by Ukraine, Russia, and NATO — Putin keeps saying that Russia is at war with NATO — and for once he's speaking the truth.

The treaty should not only establish Ukraine’s territorial integrity and provide security guarantees but should also make sure that Russian troops withdraw from occupied territories in Georgia and Moldova as well as from Belarus. It should stipulate Russia's obligation to pay reparations and to hand over all suspected war criminals.

The most important step will be ensuring Russia's demilitarization and the relinquishing of its nuclear arsenal, without which Putin would never have started this war. At the very least, international control over Russia’s nuclear weapons must be established. If this is followed by a 21st-century Marshall Plan to rebuild the country's economy and political institutions, then the process will ultimately be met with public support.

Defeat in war can be beneficial for any nation: Russia's defeat in the Crimean War back in the mid-19th century was soon followed by the abolition of serfdom. Today, the capitulation of the regime is in the interests of Russia and its people, as the state isn’t just destroying Ukraine, it’s causing huge damage to Russia too.

If the current regime survives, Russians may never be able to extricate themselves from the horrific present they find themselves in and Russia will be doomed to poverty as an erstwhile culture that one day simply disappeared forever.

Capitulation followed by methodically dismantling the regime could give Russians a chance — a very small chance, they must accept — but nevertheless, one that they should take.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/04/once-unthinkable-capitulatio
n-could-still-be-russias-saving-grace-a79873
and a different version at
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/12/14/russias-capitulation-as-it
s-saving-grace-en
It is worthwhile reading both versions.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, January 6, 2023 7:31 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Putin keeps saying that Russia is at war with NATO — and for once he's speaking the truth.



NATO is at war with Russia and the US by proxy.

That's what I've said all along.


Fuck NATO. NATO needs to stand the fuck down. NATO needs to be dissolved.

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Friday, January 6, 2023 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Russia’s capitulation as its saving grace

How should the war end?

To make sure that the war is followed by peace rather than a simple ceasefire, the final peace treaty should be signed by Ukraine, Russia, and NATO — Putin keeps saying that Russia is at war with NATO — and for once he's speaking the truth.



OMG SECOND accidentally posts the truth.

Save this one for posterity!

Oh BTW, you DO know the rumor that Zelenskiy is a giant coke head? And what you're hearing is the nose-candy talking?
He's got a reason for being delusional. What's yours?

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Saturday, January 7, 2023 6:38 PM

What The Ukraine War Teaches Us About Military Power and Economics

National power in the modern world has far more to do with economic strength than it does with military might. When it comes to military prowess, modern wars don’t involve much hand-to-hand combat among guys with bulging muscles. What they involve, mainly, are strategic duels using long-range weapons, aided by a lot of technology. And winning such duels surely depends in part on having leadership that is smart and well informed.

I’m not saying that modern war is like a video game. If you need evidence both of that and of the importance of a smart, dedicated military, I’d recommend a recent depiction by Illia Ponomarenko of The Kyiv Independent of the brutal, terrifying fighting currently underway for Bakhmut. Courage and stamina are as important as they ever were. But bicep-flexing and bombast, not so much. https://kyivindependent.com/national/as-battle-of-bakhmut-nears-culmin
ation-ukraines-artillery-gasps-for-more-ammo


What does determine military power? Contemporary wars are, to a large extent, about arithmetic.

Military historian Phillips O’Brien’s 2015 book about World War II, “How the War Was Won,” has a memorable opening: “There were no decisive battles in World War II. This might seem a strange thing to say as the war is usually viewed through the prism of its famous engagements.” The conflict was mainly a war of attrition, in which no single battle did much to shift the balance of power, especially given the rate at which all the main players were producing new weapons until late in the game.

O’Brien was, as it happens, one of the few commentators to reject the idea that Russia could overrun Ukraine in a few days. He predicted, instead, that Russia-Ukraine would turn into a war of attrition — and that Ukraine stood a good chance of winning such a war. (Why giving in to Russia is a bigger mistake than Munich https://thecritic.co.uk/the-new-appeasement/ )

Once Ukraine had beaten off the initial attack and the invasion became a war of attrition, it also ceased to be a simple war between Russia and Ukraine. It’s true that on the Ukrainian side, Ukrainians are doing all the fighting and dying. But they haven’t had to rely on their own military-industrial base.

Thanks to a form of soft power — Ukraine’s ability to portray itself as the defender of democracy against a brutal tyrant — the country has been getting lots of weapons from the West. And when you take a wider view of these military resources, the picture of Russian dominance vanishes.

One thing I learned from O’Brien is that modern wars burn through military equipment at an incredible pace. Russia began this war with a huge number of tanks and an immense amount of artillery. But many of the tanks were destroyed in the disastrous early attempt to seize Kyiv, and the Institute for the Study of War now believes that the Russians are “depleting their stocks of artillery ammunition” to the point where they “will struggle to continue their current pace of operations.” https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-a
ssessment-december-31


What this means is that productive capacity — ultimately, economic power — tends to be decisive in a war of attrition. And Russia is just hugely outclassed by that measure.

All that said, this is, thankfully, not an overt war between Russia and the liberal-democratic West, in which the full force of these G.D.P. and military disparities would be in play. So it’s hard to see exactly how the conflict between Russia and Ukraine ends.

During World War II, Nazi military power didn’t really collapse until 1944, when Allied planes achieved air dominance over Germany and were able to destroy much of the country’s war-fighting capacity. Ukraine won’t be able to do that to Russia, nor can Russia do that to NATO, whose members will presumably continue to send supplies to Ukraine. So the brutal slogging match may continue for a very long time.

But this is, as I said, largely about math. And the arithmetic, in

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Saturday, January 7, 2023 8:33 PM

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OMG SECOND accidentally posts the truth.

Save this one for posterity!

Historical Perspectives on Russia’s War in Ukraine

In 1939, after invading Poland, the Soviet Union took prisoner more than 20,000 Polish soldiers, border guards and policemen. For reasons that remain unclear (the act brought little real benefit to Josef Stalin) these men and one woman, a lone pilot, were shot by the NKVD at various sites throughout the Soviet Union. The most infamous location was the Katyn Forest, near the city of Smolensk in western Russia, though others were murdered near the Russian city of Tver and near Kharkiv in northeastern Ukraine, as well as in prisons throughout Belarus.

The murders at Katyn and elsewhere were carried out under conditions of strictest secrecy. Not long afterward, the Soviets killed most of the executioners themselves; after all, perpetrators are witnesses of a sort. The bodies were hidden in forests and, in some cases, the killers tried to dissolve the corpses with chemicals. Relatives and Polish officials were lied to by the Soviets. When Stalin was asked about the prisoners’ whereabouts by General Wladyslaw Anders, who was gathering a Polish army in Soviet-controlled territories to fight the Nazis, the dictator played dumb. Perhaps they had all escaped to Manchuria, he suggested. The painter and writer Józef Czapski, who had spent time in prison camps with the missing men but had been released before the massacres, was tasked by Anders with finding his comrades. He was led on a wild goose chase that took him across the length and breadth of the Soviet Union, an experience he recounted in a memoir with the telling title “On Inhuman Land.”

Today, in Ukraine, we are seeing historical parallels with the events of WWII, including the elaborate deflection of blame.

More at https://newlinesmag.com/essays/historical-perspectives-on-russias-war-
crimes-in-ukraine
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, January 7, 2023 9:23 PM

Sad.

The only thing you've got left to talk about is Russia.

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Saturday, January 7, 2023 9:38 PM

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Sad.

The only thing you've got left to talk about is Russia.

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Former President Donald J. Trump on Tuesday backpedaled on his previous support of Vladimir Putin, saying he was “surprised” the Russian president would invade Ukraine and continue to narrow freedom within his own country. “I thought he was negotiating when he sent his troops to the border. I thought he was negotiating,” Trump the Washington Examiner. “I thought it was a tough way to negotiate but a smart way to negotiate.” Claiming that he had previously had success trading with Putin, Trump bemoaned the actions of his former ally: “I think he’s changed. I think he’s changed. It’s a very sad thing for the world. He’s very much changed.” During his presidency, Trump had an unlikely alliance with and affinity for the Russian leader, incurring disapproval from both sides of the political aisle in the U.S.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-says-hes-surprised-putin-invaded-u
kraine-says-former-ally-has-changed


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:40 PM

Oh, don't worry SIX, SECOND will start hyperventilating about Trump again. It's better than posting about the USA's REAL ISSUES.


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Saturday, January 7, 2023 11:18 PM

Modern Democrats are incapable even of thinking about USA's real issues because they're never presented any of them in the media that they digest.

"How would you know that?", one might ask.

Because I read news from both sides.

And aside from some way out of right field crap out there, the Leftoid Media is 10 times as guilty of doing what they tell their readership the few unsilenced voices from the right are guilty of.


Did you know that almost nobody even knows there is a significance to the date of January 6th, for instance? Most people don't pay attention to politics. Most people don't watch CNN or FOX or MSNBC. Most people don't watch local news. Most people don't go on Twitter. Most people on Twitter are there for non-political topics.

Most people don't even know what January 6th is.


It's funny watching videos of people going around large cities and asking them that question, and nobody can tell them what either side has said about the date because they aren't even aware it has any significance at all.

There is hope.

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