Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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UPDATED: Sunday, September 6, 2026 21:09
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Quote:OMFG. You really believe that funding oligarchs and EU/MIC apparatchiks is "strengthening democracy"?
Originally posted by K2PO:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Zelensky. How dare he step on our shores.
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If the goal is to destroy Russian power and strengthen Western democracy, Zelensky is proving great value for money.
Hero.
And by saying that this has been about destroying Russia all along, you're just confirming what Putin has been saying.
Oy!
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Quote:Oligarchs have only one loyalty: their money. You might want to remember that when thinking about our own oligarchs.
Originally posted by SECOND::
• Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy visited the US last week to shore up support for Ukraine.
• Zelenskyy called McConnell one day before the visit, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported.
• Zelenskyy urged McConnell to support a measure that ultimately passed Congress, the outlet reported.
Following Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's historic visit to the US last week, Congress passed a provision to give Ukraine the assets that were seized from sanctioned Russian oligarchs.
A Post-Gazette investigation in May, bolstered by hundreds of secret U.S. Treasury records, revealed that at least eight Russian oligarchs and their companies had moved billions of dollars into U.S. banks, even after the institutions found that many of the transfers showed the hallmarks of money laundering.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-nation/2022/12/29/zelenskyy
-mitch-mcconnell-ukraine-putin-oligarchs/stories/202212280090
THUGR: I'm guessing they thought the money was safer here than where Putin could get his hands on it.
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Signym is putting all rich people into the same box. She is also trying to suggest that Americans and Europeans, aren't better off than the Russians because both have oligarchs. You surely are a simpleton comrade. One huge difference is the rule of law. Russia has none.
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Quote:Again, OMFG
Originally posted by THG:
Signym is putting all rich people into the same box. She is also trying to suggest that Americans and Europeans, aren't better off than the Russians because both have oligarchs. You surely are a simpleton comrade. One huge difference is the rule of law. Russia has none.
T
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Apparently Russia sent a huge barrage of missiles (yanno, the ones they're running out of) into Ukraine again, knocking out most of the power to most of Ukraine.
Ukraine has resurrected a couple of steam locomotives from museums in order to keep supplies moving.
But in addition to targeting the electrical system, Russia also struck air defense systems.
In general I'd say that targeting air defenses is in preparation for a bombing offensive, which is a preparation for a ground offensive. But where, and how big depends on where the air defenses were attacked.
Now, apparently the trenches in Bakhmut, and elsewhere, are heavily fortified and resistant to artillery fire. (Apparently built to Soviet specs to resist, however much possible, nuclear explosions). Gravity bombs (the Russian version of "bunker busters") do exist but need to be dropped by heavy bombers. So if the air defenses were targeted near heavy line of contact fortifications that would probably mean a limited offensive.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMFG. You really believe that funding oligarchs and EU/MIC apparatchiks is "strengthening democracy"?
Always LOL at pro-Russians criticising Ukraine for being an oligarchy. Just LOL - you get why that's hilarious, don't you?
Understand Sig, Zelensky doesn't have to be a saint to be a hero. Ukraine doesn't have to be a perfect democracy to be a nation of heroes. It just has to be on the right side, resisting a imperialist invader that is much worse in every respect. Oligarchy. Corruption. Authoritarianism. Propaganda. Invading other countries. War crimes.
Take another look at the country you're supporting.
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And by saying that this has been about destroying Russia all along,
I've said for years that Russia is a malign actor that is bad for global peace and freedom. Now Western society has come around to agreeing with me. Part of the reason why - Ukraine's heroic defence. Not just defence, but pushing Russia back and reclaiming their land and exposing Russia's war crimes, like in Bucha, to the world.
So yes, Ukraine has heroically defied Russia since 2014, exposed Putin to the world for what he is, cut the Russian army down to size, strengthened NATO and bought time for the West to re-arm while Russia's army is mired in Ukraine.
We owe Ukraine much more than the relatively small amount of money and weapons we've given them.
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This dumb brainfucked cunt just called Zelensky a hero.
You're a fucking Bushite loser.
Hope you got your Covid boosters.
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Quote:Nope.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMFG. You really believe that funding oligarchs and EU/MIC apparatchiks is "strengthening democracy"?
K2PO: Always LOL at pro-Russians criticising Ukraine for being an oligarchy. Just LOL - you get why that's hilarious, don't you?
Quote:Whatever.
K2PO: Understand Sig, Zelensky doesn't have to be a saint to be a hero. Ukraine doesn't have to be a perfect democracy to be a nation of heroes. It just has to be on the right side,
Quote:The United States?
K2PO: resisting a imperialist invader that is much worse in every respect. Oligarchy. Corruption. Authoritarianism. Propaganda. Invading other countries. War crimes.
Take another look at the country you're supporting.
Quote:Seriously?
SIGNY: And by saying that this has been about destroying Russia all along,
K2PO: I've said for years that Russia is a malign actor that is bad for global peace and freedom.
That, again, is about as far as I could get into your programmed blather.
YOU ARE WHAT YOU DO. That applies to nations and institutions too.
Not what you SAY you are, not what you CLAIM your morals ("values") are, or what you want to believe your goals are, but WHAT YOU DO.
If you start wars and kill millions, destroying nations and living standards, you are not a "force for peace", you're an oppressive, aggressive war monger. There's no "R2P" about it. If you censor discussion, or spy on your people, or bring false charges against some, you're not a democracy, you're authoritarian. There's no "diversity" about it.
If we REALLY wanted to "promote democracy" we wouldn't have funded terrorists in the ME and Central Asia. We wouldn't have destroyed so many DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED governments around the world, including Ukraine's. I suspect that Ukrainians would prefer not to be fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian. We manipulated them thru their oligarchs and quislings, just as we provoked Russia into responding. Are these the actions of a peace and democracy-loving nation? Examine our record.
I'm not supporting Russia btw.
I think they've made many smart moves... trying to remove their oligarchs' fingers from the reins of power, making themselves financially and economically independent as possible. Investing in agriculture. Forming strategic partnerships abroad, and not throwing their partners under the bus or breaking contracts or treaties or agreements whenever it suits them. Protecting their borders.
Moves which we would do well to emulate.
I'm wouldn't recommend we do everything they do, but we need to be more realistic about what our interests and actions are, and not blinded with our own "do-gooder" rationalizations.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I suspect that Ukrainians would prefer not to be fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.
And there it is...
Dipshit, Dumbfuck and Dildo, along with the other brainwashed fucking sheep in the US and abroad don't have a single personal dog in this race. It ain't them that's dying. It ain't their kids that are dying.
But they're happy to "Praise the Heroes" by putting a Ukranian flag on their Twitter Bio, or drive around with an "America supports Ukraine" bumper sticker while cheerleading the Ukrainian's as every single last one of them march onward to their deaths... just so they can feel safe from big bad Putin, "supported" by NATO, and funded by money that our corrupt NeoCon/NeoLib war machine politicians print out of thin air.
Meanwhile, they're jacking off all over each other while calling CRIMINAL ILLEGAL INVADERS by the thousands crossing our borders everyday "refugees", while none of the ACTUAL FUCKING REFUGEES in Ukraine are being invited here, because they are the ones who are destined to DIE to protect their fragile little world.
The fucking gall, referring to Zelensky as a hero. Anybody who utters those words doesn't even deserve to share oxygen with the rest of us.
Get fucked. Every last single one of you brainwashed pussy cowards.
You're too stupid to exist.
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K2PO isn't stupid, SIX. He's not blinded by hate like SECOND or brainwashed like THUGR.
It's so easy to manipulate people into doing things that aren't in their best interests, isn't it?
Think back to Maidan 2014, when a trade agreement was presented as a "civilizational choice". What Ukrainians thought they were getting, was a chance at the good life: strolling down the boulevards and drinking lattes at nice coffee shops. Who DOESN'T want that kind of life?
But that was never K2PO's or neocons' intentions. They were planning on weaponizing Ukraine against Russia from the beginning. BEFORE the beginning. That's what K2PO implied, anyway. And look at the EU now: NOBODY is strolling anywhere or drinking lattes. They're all wrapped up in the cold and dark, facing energy shortages and recessions and other wartime miseries.
How did it come to this?
Masterful manipulation of the public.
Nefarious goals wrapped in platitudes.
Stampeding people thru panic
Conditioning, basically.
In reality, what Ukrainians needed to do was get the corrupt out of office bc they were sucking Ukraine's economic lifeblood. Not an easy task, when the corrupted run everything. But that's what they needed to do. And if the EU really wanted to "save the planet" they should have switched to nat gas while they worked out an alternate energy policy. Now, they're burning coal (!) bc they've cut off their own access to cleaner energy.
There's no magic to fixing what ails a nation, just hard work and persistent effort and keeping your eye on the ball of your real interests.
That's why I've so often asked: WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? Until we've hashed out the fundamentals, we'll be derailed time and time again by mirages and disinfo. It's hugely long conversation that will take at least a couple of decades to work through. But that's what democracy is all about, innit? So far, though, all I hear is *crickets*.
EDITED TO ADD: I've always tried to take a realistic view of us. If I see danger, I voice my concerns. My POV may be different than many, but I've ALWAYS been about America's -our- interests, as best I see them. Finding out what those are means close questioning and sharp insight. It's beyond the scope of any individual. I was really hoping to get into deep discussions about what people think and feel,and why, hoping to understand their POV. I was hoping that others would delve into my ideas and question - not my motives (which are genuinely patriotic) or my nationality (American, I assure you) but my assumptions, my logic, even my facts. Having people pare away at my own thoughts makes me a better thinker
But it seems few people want to pursue that.
Off my soaobox now, I've got real-world stuff to doand real-world responsibilities.
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