Countdown Clock, Trump Going to Jail
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By design, courts are slow everywhere in the world. Why should the US be different?
Yesterday, a court in Argentina sentenced Vice-President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner to six years in jail for corruption. Eleven other people were on trial. Seven were found guilty and sentenced to between three and a half and six years in prison, three were released and one had their case dismissed.
Prosecutors said Fernández de Kirchner had led an unlawful partnership during the time when she was president of Argentina from 2007 to 2015. They said she had created a kickback scheme that steered lucrative public work contracts towards a friend of hers in return for bribes. Prior to the ruling, she had accused the prosecutors of lying and slandering her. Speaking after the verdict, she described herself as the victim of a "judicial mafia".
Even though she has been found guilty and sentenced to a jail term, Ms Fernández de Kirchner will not be sent to prison immediately.
As the head of the senate, she enjoys a degree of immunity which means that she will be able to remain free and continue in her post while she appeals against the verdict all the way to the Supreme Court.
As the appeal process could take years, she is expected to be able to run again for the senate or even for the presidency in the 2023 election.
It is the first time ever that a vice-president has been convicted of a crime while in office in Argentina.
More at https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63872953
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The Trump Organization Was Convicted After a Truly Embarrassing Defense
Trump’s lawyers acted like buffoons, but those are the only kind that will work for him after he underpaid much better lawyers because Trump was “dissatisfied”.
As of Tuesday afternoon, Donald Trump’s company is a convicted felon. The result comes courtesy of the jury in the criminal trial of the Trump Organization, which found Trump’s namesake company guilty on all 17 counts of the indictment.
The Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, pled guilty in August, which, given the way that corporate criminal liability works, dramatically simplified the case against Trump.
Ordinarily, a corporate defense in this scenario would face extraordinarily long odds, and most companies (at least the ones with competent counsel and non-crazy clients) would have settled. That is because corporations are typically criminally liable for the criminal activities of their employees, assuming that the conduct at issue was intended — at least in part — to benefit the company. Once you have a guilty plea from a corporate employee, the company has very limited remaining lines of defense. You can accuse the employee of lying to save himself, perhaps, or try to argue that the conduct was not intended to benefit the company, but these are generally not great arguments.
The Trump’s lawyers reportedly pushed hard to argue that Weisselberg was acting solely in his self-interest — purely to lower his personal tax liability — but this made almost no sense in the context of the particular criminal scheme here. That is because if Weisselberg simply wanted more money, he could have lobbied for a higher salary, but the scheme he and others at the company settled on saved both him and the Trump Organization money. As one of the prosecutors explained, this was “by far the most significant benefit” to the company, which paid Weisselberg less as he managed to net about a million dollars over the course of the scheme. According to the DA’s office, the company would have had to pay about $3.5 million if Weisselberg’s benefits had been accurately reported to tax authorities.
Trump’s lawyer, van der Veen, requested a mistrial at one point after a series of objections during closing arguments, which, according to the Times, visibly annoyed the jurors, “with a few shaking their heads and glancing at their watches.” (Also something to avoid!) Trump’s lawyers were also repeatedly reprimanded by the judge for misstating the law, did weird impressions of witnesses, and made strange puns. When it was van der Veen’s turn to deliver his closing, he “approached the lectern, paused and then shouted: ‘Weisselberg did it for Weisselberg’” — an apparent and now clearly failed effort to devise a catchphrase for the main defense theme, but one that could probably have been delivered effectively without shouting at the people you are trying to persuade.
Granted, Trump’s lawyers did not have much to work with, but there is respectable lawyering and then there is buffoonery, and this was not respectable lawyering.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12/trump-organization-convicted-o
n-all-counts-in-criminal-trial.html
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Rudy Giuliani’s 5 Worst Excuses From His Attorney-Misconduct Hearing
During the hearings, Giuliani also inadvertently underscored that his mental focus isn’t what it once was. At one point, he looked at his wrist and remarked with surprise, “You know I have two watches on?”
Giuliani also said he believes he has been unfairly “persecuted for years” over his involvement in Trump’s attempt to steal the election, adding on Tuesday, “I am shocked and offended this is happening to me.”
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/12/rudy-giuliani-dc-law-license-h
earing-excuses.html
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Yanno,one of the things that tells me the deep state still sees Trump as a threat is the hard-on they still have for him. They aren't going after DeSantis bc foreign policy- wise he falls in line with the establishment.
Any President tries to change foreign policy, challenge the deep state and control the CIA/StateDept gets axed. Look at what happened to the Kennedys.
I can't get over how stupid you are comrade. It's why I call you always wrong. Because you are, you are always wrong.
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Donald Trump Trapped in Legal Nightmare That's About To Get Worse
Donald Trump Trapped in Legal Nightmare That's About To Get Worse
Donald Trump Trapped in Legal Nightmare That's About To Get Worse
Donald Trump Trapped in Legal Nightmare That's About To Get Worse
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-trapped-in-legal-
nightmare-that-s-about-to-get-worse/ar-AA150TsE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=185e81365dd34f5c928a6c0a0af55418
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Trump's team recovered more classified documents in search of storage unit
Former President Donald Trump had an outside team conduct a deeper search for any government documents at four properties which turned up at least two more documents marked classified, ABC News has confirmed according to sources familiar with the matter.
The documents were recovered at a storage unit that is owned by the federal government, and maintained by the General Services Administration (GSA) in West Palm Beach, Florida, the sources told ABC News.
The Department of Justice has been notified of the documents' existence.
MORE: Trump special master overturned by appeals court in Mar-a-Lago
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assified-documents-in-search-of-storage-unit/ar-AA151Ium?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c41593af066e422aa9ae51b454c402e4
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Quote:You should read the whole story, but Trump is bonkers:
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Trump's team recovered more classified documents in search of storage unit
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-team-recovered-more-cl
assified-documents-in-search-of-storage-unit/ar-AA151Ium?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c41593af066e422aa9ae51b454c402e4
Classified Documents Found in Trump Search of Storage Site
by Maggie Haberman, Alan Feuer
The discovery came as series of searches were conducted by a team hired by the former president, after a federal judge directed his lawyers to look for any materials still in his possession.
Dec. 7, 2022 Updated 1:54 p.m. ET
Former President Donald J. Trump hired people to search four properties after being directed by a federal judge to look harder for any classified material still in his possession, and they found at least two documents with classified markings inside a sealed box in one of the locations, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Mr. Trump’s search team discovered the documents at a federally run storage site in West Palm Beach, Fla., the person said, prompting his lawyers to notify the Justice Department about them.
The New York Times reported in October that Justice Department officials had told the former president’s lawyers that they believed he might have more classified materials that were not returned in response to a subpoena issued in May. The F.B.I. searched Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s private club and residence in Florida, in August for additional classified documents and other presidential records.
People close to Mr. Trump had said earlier on Wednesday that no classified material had been found during the searches, a claim that was later proved incorrect. The Washington Post first reported on the locating of the two additional documents, as well as the searches of the properties.
After the warning from the Justice Department, a debate ensued among Mr. Trump’s lawyers about whether to bring in an independent firm to conduct a search.
The discovery of the documents at the storage unit, maintained by the federal General Services Administration, came during a series of wider searches that were completed around Thanksgiving and conducted at Mr. Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J.; at Trump Tower in New York; and in a storage closet at Mar-a-Lago, according to two people familiar with the events.
Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, said in a statement that the former president and “his counsel continue to be cooperative and transparent, despite the unprecedented, illegal and unwarranted attack against President Trump and his family by the weaponized Department of Justice.”
The department is investigating the former president’s handling of thousands of government documents, including more than 300 classified ones, that were taken from the White House at the end of his term and were found at Mar-a-Lago. Prosecutors are also seeking to determine whether Mr. Trump obstructed the government’s repeated efforts to retrieve the materials.
When the Justice Department warned that it believed Mr. Trump still had documents in his possession, a lawyer whom he had hired a short time earlier, Christopher M. Kise, suggested along with other lawyers working for Mr. Trump that they engage an outside firm, according to people familiar with the events.
A cadre of other Trump lawyers were resistant to the idea; among them was Boris Epshteyn, a communications adviser who has positioned himself as an in-house counsel on some of Mr. Trump’s legal entanglements. The dispute led to Mr. Kise’s standing in Mr. Trump’s circle diminishing for weeks, according to several people close to the former president.
More recently, Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell of Federal District Court in Washington, who oversees grand jury investigations, directed Mr. Trump’s lawyers essentially to search more carefully for any remaining documents. Other lawyers in Mr. Trump’s circle took on the issue and hired a firm, according to one of the pe
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I don't really post entire articles. It's a waste of space if it isn't going to get read. Therefore, I post titles and at most a paragraph of two.
If someone wants to read it, it is there for them to do so. Because I do not generally post the whole thing doesn't mean I haven't read it myself.
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Quote:The NYTimes version had a different emphasis than the article you pointed to. The NYTimes made it obvious that Trump was bonkers enough to be telling his lawyers to lie to the Federal government. The lawyers refused to lie, which made the lawyers useless to Trump. If this goes to trial, that will be evidence against Trump, except Trump will take it to Supreme Court to stop his lawyer from being subpoenaed, which leaves the prosecution to call a witness that was there when Trump asked the lawyer to lie. Everything goes around and around in a wobbly circle month after month, never getting anywhere closer to a decision about Trump.
Originally posted by THG:
I don't really post entire articles. It's a waste of space if it isn't going to get read. Therefore, I post titles and at most a paragraph of two.
If someone wants to read it, it is there for them to do so. Because I do not generally post the whole thing doesn't mean I haven't read it myself.
T
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