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Gavin (Noisome) Newsom's reparations
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 8:34 PM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Social Security, passed and signed by President Roosevelt in 1935, left out most African Americans for the first quarter century of its existence. Southern congressional representatives heavily influenced the Social Security Act with devastating results. The federal government gave the power to control benefit levels, eligibility, and administration of such programs to the states and excluded occupations mostly held by African Americans. At the time, sixty-five percent of African Americans fell outside of eligibility for the Social Security program — and between 70 and 80 percent fell outside eligibility requirements in different parts of the South.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hey Ted.
Your buddy Second wants to take your money and give it to some black person who wasn't a slave to alleviate his own guilt for being a waste of carbon.
You down with that?
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For example, in 1940, the year Social Security payments for seniors began, the Social Security Board identified nearly 2.3 million Black workers as eligible for old age insurance, but the majority of those identified were disqualified because they were farm or domestic workers. These exclusions continued until 1954, when the occupational exclusions were eliminated.
From page 460 of the 2022 Interim Report of the Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans
https://oag.ca.gov/ab3121
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Hmmmmmm...
And yet, the conclusion wasn't to limit reparations to only the people who worked a majority of their working lives prior to 1954, in occupations "mostly held by African Americans".
How many of THOSE black individuals are still alive today... In California? How many non-blacks who were denied the same benefits are still alive today in California and will they get these reparations as well?
So what is your fucking point again?
Don't bother answering. The question is rhetorical.
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 9:28 PM
Quote:U.S. government policies, as discussed in Chapter 5, Housing Segregation, penned African Americans into poorer neighborhoods with polluting industries, garbage dumps, and other sources of toxic health harms.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So what is your fucking point again?
Don't bother answering. The question is rhetorical.
Local governments zoned Black neighborhoods as industrial instead of residential specifically to segregate Black residents from white residents. White neighborhoods frequently were zoned by local entities to explicitly ensure that few industrial or polluting businesses could locate within them, again pushing environmental pollution into Black neighborhoods.
Redlined and segregated Black neighborhoods were cheaper for polluting industries to build on. This became a downward spiral: the more garbage dumps and sewer treatment plants a neighborhood had, the cheaper the land was, and the more likely that other polluting industries would move in. Without access to the mortgages and loans available to white Americans, . . . prevented African Americans from moving away from polluting sources.
From page 250 of the 2022 Interim Report of the Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans
https://oag.ca.gov/ab3121
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 9:32 PM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:U.S. government policies, as discussed in Chapter 5, Housing Segregation, penned African Americans into poorer neighborhoods with polluting industries, garbage dumps, and other sources of toxic health harms. Local governments zoned Black neighborhoods as industrial instead of residential specifically to segregate Black residents from white residents. White neighborhoods frequently were zoned by local entities to explicitly ensure that few industrial or polluting business could locate within them, again pushing environmental pollution into Black neighborhoods. Redlined and segregated Black neighborhoods were cheaper for polluting industries to build on. This became a downward spiral: the more garbage dumps and sewer treatment plants a neighborhood had, the cheaper the land was, and the more likely that other polluting industries would move in. Without access to the mortgages and loans available to white Americans, Black homeowners also had less money to maintain and improve their homes, which made housing conditions worse and prevented African Americans from moving away from polluting sources.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hmmmmmm...
And yet, the conclusion wasn't to limit reparations to only the people who worked a majority of their working lives prior to 1954, in occupations "mostly held by African Americans".
How many of THOSE black individuals are still alive today... In California? How many non-blacks who were denied the same benefits are still alive today in California and will they get these reparations as well?
So what is your fucking point again?
Don't bother answering. The question is rhetorical.
From page 250 of the 2022 Interim Report of the Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans
https://oag.ca.gov/ab3121
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
The blacks that didn't have mortgage options available to them did not have those options because they had no money or means to ever pay it back. Not because they were black. Plenty of fuckin' white people didn't have access to mortgages either, and still don't to this day.
Are you going to give them your money too?
Read the fucking article from Kira Davis I posted above, and stop insulting black people.
Either that, or shut the fuck up.
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 9:51 PM
Quote:Kira Davis tweets on https://twitter.com/realkiradavis where she writes that she is Dep.Managing Editor, RedState
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Read the fucking article from Kira Davis I posted above, and stop insulting black people.
What is RedState? https://redstate.com/
"Lies, Damn Lies, and Democrats" is the banner for RedState. So, she is a shill for Trump. What else? She lost an election yesterday:
Kira @RealKiraDavis tweeted
We have finally certified results & I regret to tell you I've lost my school board race. More to the point, our students have lost. Here is my full statement at my website. I have many 'thank yous' to give out... https://kiraforschoolboard.org/latest-news/the-race-is-over
11:54 AM · Dec 6, 2022
https://twitter.com/RealKiraDavis/status/1600186973099999233
If the opposition to reparations gets a case in front of the Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas, the Black Trumptard justice, could use Kira Davis to write his opinion against reparations. The case does not yet exist but I'd place a $1 million bet on how Clarence Thomas will rule.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 9:56 PM
Quote:Black Californians have also been forced to live in substandard housing, sometimes as a direct result of government action. One historical example is the federal government’s building of public housing in Richmond to accommodate ship workers during World War II, which was officially and explicitly segregated. As part of those efforts, the federal government put programs in place that enabled white workers to access permanent, residential housing, but offered Black workers no permanent housing. While some Black workers were able to find low-quality, long-term housing in areas of the East Bay, others lived in barns, minimal shelter like tents or cardboard shacks, or even without any shelter in open fields.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The blacks that didn't have mortgage options available to them did not have those options because they had no money or means to ever pay it back. Not because they were black. Plenty of fuckin' white people didn't have access to mortgages either, and still don't to this day.
Are you going to give them your money too?
Historically, federal public housing was explicitly created to segregate Black Californians into areas with greater pollution burdens due to immediately adjacent polluting sources. For example, when the federal government built public housing in Richmond to accommodate ship workers, as discussed above, it placed the temporary housing for Black workers by the railroad tracks and shipbuilding areas, subjecting them to particulate matter (e.g., small cancer-causing particles associated with diesel exhaust) and industrial pollution, but built higher quality housing for white workers further inland.
Many areas within California still demonstrate racial disparities traceable to state and federal government action. Studies throughout the 1990s have found that largely Black and Latino people in Los Angeles are the most heavily impacted by pollution and toxic waste sites. Neighborhoods that were explicitly redlined by federal agencies in the 1930s — ranging from South Stockton to West Oakland to Wilmington in Los Angeles — continue to have some of the highest average pollution levels in the state.
From page 252 of the 2022 Interim Report of the Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans
https://oag.ca.gov/ab3121
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Black Californians have also been forced to live in substandard housing, sometimes as a direct result of government action. One historical example is the federal government’s building of public housing in Richmond to accommodate ship workers during World War II, which was officially and explicitly segregated. As part of those efforts, the federal government put programs in place that enabled white workers to access permanent, residential housing, but offered Black workers no permanent housing. While some Black workers were able to find low-quality, long-term housing in areas of the East Bay, others lived in barns, minimal shelter like tents or cardboard shacks, or even without any shelter in open fields.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The blacks that didn't have mortgage options available to them did not have those options because they had no money or means to ever pay it back. Not because they were black. Plenty of fuckin' white people didn't have access to mortgages either, and still don't to this day.
Are you going to give them your money too?
Historically, federal public housing was explicitly created to segregate Black Californians into areas with greater pollution burdens due to immediately adjacent polluting sources. For example, when the federal government built public housing in Richmond to accommodate ship workers, as discussed above, it placed the temporary housing for Black workers by the railroad tracks and shipbuilding areas, subjecting them to particulate matter (e.g., small cancer-causing particles associated with diesel exhaust) and industrial pollution, but built higher quality housing for white workers further inland.
Many areas within California still demonstrate racial disparities traceable to state and federal government action. Studies throughout the 1990s have found that largely Black and Latino people in Los Angeles are the most heavily impacted by pollution and toxic waste sites. Neighborhoods that were explicitly redlined by federal agencies in the 1930s — ranging from South Stockton to West Oakland to Wilmington in Los Angeles — continue to have some of the highest average pollution levels in the state.
From page 252 of the 2022 Interim Report of the Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans
https://oag.ca.gov/ab3121
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Tough shit.
Plenty of black people are successful in America today. Including in California.
The amount of white people born with a silver spoon up their asses in America is slim to none.
Everybody has problems. Deal with them or die. We don't want to hear a bunch of whiny, needy cunts crying anymore.
No free fucking money for anybody. Short of that, under no circumstances is anyone to get any benefit that others don't get because of the color of their skin or whatever fuck parts they have hidden behind their underwear.
If you feel so bad about what happened to blacks in California before most people alive on the planet were born, then YOU go to California and give them YOUR money.
Otherwise, get fucked and stop infantalizing and insulting black people. They don't need your help, you fuckin' racist narcissist.
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 10:14 PM
Quote:That same argument can be reworked against Social Security and Medicare. It goes something like this: many people are successful and don't need the Federal government paying to them retirement money or paying their doctor and hospital. These successful people can pay for themselves. Social Security and Medicare are "infantilizing and insulting" to successful people.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Tough shit.
Plenty of black people are successful in America today. Including in California.
The amount of white people born with a silver spoon up their asses in America is slim to none.
Everybody has problems. Deal with them or die. We don't want to hear a bunch of whiny, needy cunts crying anymore.
No free fucking money for anybody. Short of that, under no circumstances is anyone to get any benefit that others don't get because of the color of their skin or whatever fuck parts they have hidden behind their underwear.
If you feel so bad about what happened to blacks in California before most people alive on the planet were born, then YOU go to California and give them YOUR money.
Otherwise, get fucked and stop infantilizing and insulting black people.
By the way, it was a standard position of Republicans I know that taxing their paychecks to pay for somebody else's Social Security and Medicare was wrong, Wrong, WRONG. That definitely reminds me of what would happen if reparations ever got passed in California.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:That same argument can be reworked against Social Security and Medicare. It goes something like this: many people are successful and don't need the Federal government paying to them retirement money or paying their doctor and hospital. These successful people can pay for themselves. Social Security and Medicare are "infantilizing and insulting" to successful people.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Tough shit.
Plenty of black people are successful in America today. Including in California.
The amount of white people born with a silver spoon up their asses in America is slim to none.
Everybody has problems. Deal with them or die. We don't want to hear a bunch of whiny, needy cunts crying anymore.
No free fucking money for anybody. Short of that, under no circumstances is anyone to get any benefit that others don't get because of the color of their skin or whatever fuck parts they have hidden behind their underwear.
If you feel so bad about what happened to blacks in California before most people alive on the planet were born, then YOU go to California and give them YOUR money.
Otherwise, get fucked and stop infantilizing and insulting black people.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Yeah?
And I've made that argument before too.
People who need it in retirement are told every year they might get only 70% of it unless Congress changes the law. Meanwhile, I know old people who only paid a paltry portion of their salary into it most of their working lives compared to what is taken out of paychecks today that don't need the benefits in retirement and use that is their "fuck you" money to burn up and lose at the gambling boats.
I've already suggested my two-step fix for that.
1) Don't tax SS/Medicare on anything under the Federal standard deduction for anyone. ($13,850 for single filers and $27,700 for married filers in 2023).
2) After the Standard Deduction, there is no cap.
If you want to get real spicy, then add a Step 3 and also affix a SS/Medicare tax on the REAL RICH PEOPLE who don't actually have any working income and make their money through capital gains above a reasonable threshold.
I don't see a problem with Social Security and Medicare. Somebody who worked all of their young lives should not have to worry about starving to death or dying in a cold house when their body is old and frail. And since it's not based off of race or sex or any other IDpol Democrat bullshit, it has the possibility of being a fair system if somebody finally implements it right.
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Wednesday, December 7, 2022 10:50 PM
Quote:The only reason why paychecks were taxed, rather than incomes, was because of politics. Unless there was an individual account for every American, the Republicans would kill Social Security and Medicare because it is "unfair," in the mind of GOP politicians. Democrats used those individual accounts to say that you were simply getting back the money you paid in. There would not have these problems with funding SS and Medicare if the money collected from paychecks had been invested (exactly the same way an insurance company handles annuities) rather than used to buy bonds that pay 1.4% interest. Every country, except the US, invests their retirement funds, but US can't because of . . . all Republican Congressmen (and some rather stupid Democrats from the South).
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah?
And I've made that argument before too.
People who need it in retirement are told every year they might get only 70% of it unless Congress changes the law. Meanwhile, I know old people who only paid a paltry portion of their salary into it most of their working lives compared to what is taken out of paychecks today that don't need the benefits in retirement and use that is their "fuck you" money to burn up and lose at the gambling boats.
I've already suggested my two-step fix for that.
1) Don't tax SS/Medicare on anything under the Federal standard deduction for anyone. ($13,850 for single filers and $27,700 for married filers in 2023).
2) After the Standard Deduction, there is no cap.
If you want to get real spicy, then add a Step 3 and also affix a SS/Medicare tax on the REAL RICH PEOPLE who don't actually have any working income and make their money through capital gains above a reasonable threshold.
I don't see a problem with Social Security and Medicare. Somebody who worked all of their young lives should not have to worry about starving to death or dying in a cold house when their body is old and frail. And since it's not based off of race or sex or any other IDpol Democrat bullshit, it has the possibility of being a fair system if somebody finally implements it right.
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Policy Basics: Understanding the Social Security Trust Funds
https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/understanding-the-social
-security-trust-funds-0
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Thursday, December 8, 2022 10:12 AM
We've already had this discussion.
I didn't say to not tax everyone.
I said to not tax anybody for a penny on the Standard Deduction. And then to put no cap on it so every dollar earned after the SD is taxed.
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