Angel in love with Cordy or with buffy?

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MACBAKER

Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:06 AM

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Originally posted by hawaiiansgirl:
Think angel still loves buffy?
I think not.
I think he in love with cordy?

I feel that the perfect match for Angel, is Faith! They both have a past that will haunt them, and they both are commitment phobic. Lastly, no mater how good it gets, their relationship will never be "Perfect". As much as Angel may still love Buffy, he knows he can't risk losing his soul again. It's clear to me, that Angel is the only man Faith truely trusts. She broke out of Jail just to save him. They have much more in common with each other than he ever had with Buffy.

Angel was Buffy's first true love, but now, I think Spike is better suited for her. He wasn't cursed with a soul, he fought for one! He fought for a soul for one reason, and that was his love for Buffy. When Angel is Angelus, he has no love for anyone, including Buffy, but even without a soul, Spike knew he loved her, and he knew what he had to do to if he had any chance of winning her heart. Lastly, Spike was willing to sacrifice his life for Buffy, and to save the world, something Buffy can relate to.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

GROUNDED

Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by RhymePhile:
I think it was always the emotional part of having sex with Buffy that caused him to lose his soul, not only the act itself.

Good point. Now go rewatch Awakening and see the writer's do another reversal.

HAWAIIANSGIRL

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:25 AM

i dunno about darla but he still have connor

EVILTOBZ

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by DirtyBrowncoat:
And you guys make good points about Connor's birth, but like somebody else said (sorry, I was just skimming the posts and I forgot to quote :) ), there was all kinds of crap going on at that point, like Holtz hunting them down, bunches of people out to kill the baby before it was even born, and Caritas had just been EXPLODED (which is an awesome scene). By the time they kind of took care of all of that, Connor was kidnapped to Quar'toth, so he was all sad and torture-y again.

and don't forget how connor was born, not exactly the happiest of deliveries with darla dusting herself.

and there is quite a bit of realism in stuff like angel falling for cordy and still feeling for buffy too and all that. people go on about one true love and stuff like that, but people are entirely capable of having emotions for more than one person. in fact, i'd guess most of us have been there, to some extent at least. the fact that everything isn't just caut and dried, this is the way it is makes the shows much more interesting.

that and i never liked buffy/angel anyway.

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MAUGWAI

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:07 PM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
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Originally posted by RhymePhile:
I think it was always the emotional part of having sex with Buffy that caused him to lose his soul, not only the act itself.

Good point. Now go rewatch Awakening and see the writer's do another reversal.

Actually, I think "Awakening" enforces that point. With Buffy, the world wasn't perfect. They had just escaped danger, Buffy's party was ruined, and Dru and Spike were on the loose again. But one moment to possess Buffy, to be with her on an intimate level both physically and mentally, was all it took to make Angel completely happy.

When Angel was with Cordelia in his mind, he had to save the world, earn the love and respect of his son, and get the girl after she points out that the rest of the world is happy so he should relax. It took way more than just the girl to make Angel happy. He needed a perfect world to go with it.

[edited due to an amusing typo]

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

GROUNDED

Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:08 PM

The issue wasn't really should Angel have another love interest (cause that's pretty much a no-brainer) it's that they chose Cordelia who'd been used pretty much as a sister figure up until then.

ZEEK

Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:18 PM

I didn't think of Cordy as a sister figure. She just seemed like a good friend. There was never really anything other than that though. Until they decided to make something happen between them.

Which just doesn't seem right to me. I have plenty of female friends. Some of them really good friends but I don't see any of them as potential romantic interests. I just don't see that type of thing happening realistically.

DIRTYBROWNCOAT

Monday, January 31, 2005 5:13 AM

Well, a lot in the earlier episodes (well, maybe not A LOT, but enough to notice), the trio (being Angel, Cordelia, and Wesley) would refer to the others as family. A nice example of this is To Shanshu in L.A..

So, yeah, I think it's valid to call Cordelia a sister figure. So when Cordelia and Angel began to bloom as a couple, it seemed kind of...weird, you know?

I mean, yeah, David Boreanez and Charisma Carpenter have pretty good chemistry on-screen, but it kind of flew in the face of the characters to exploit it in a romantic way, you know?

Simon: You...you came for us.
Mal: You're on my crew.
Simon: Right. I guess I just didn't...you don't even like me.
Mal: You're on my crew. Why we still talking about this?
-Safe

GROUNDED

Monday, January 31, 2005 2:13 PM

^ Exactly :)

SARA

Monday, January 31, 2005 7:09 PM

You know, I never understood the Angel/Cordy brother/sister accusations. I always conisdered the original trio of Angel/Cordy/Wes as one of a tight-knit group of colleagues who grew closer together in the face of their adversities. A/C never smacked of anything incestuous to me. I actually found the relationship quite endearing- largely on the grounds of its simplicity - it wasn't messy or overcomplicated (bar the terrible machinations of s4)- it was just a gradual development of feelings b/w two old friends who had come to share and experience so much together.

Having said that, A/C was such a criminally mishandled pairing - I think the writers tried to create "a new love of the ages" Buffy/Angel type thing, which was just plain crazy given the different circumstances and people involved. Secondly, I *hated* that every single "romantic moment" was a contrived piece of cliche and horrible dialogue, involving dead spirits (Waiting in the Wings, bleuch) or weird dreams - hallunications (Birthday, Deep Down, Awakening)

The last scene b/w Cordelia and Angel in the 100th episode showed how the relationship should have been handled - there was more maturity and emotion to last in that one scene, than there was in most of s5.

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