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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:04 AM

They have handed out Russian passports, cellphone numbers and set-top boxes for watching Russian television. They have replaced Ukrainian currency with the ruble, rerouted the internet through Russian servers and arrested hundreds who have resisted assimilation.

In ways big and small, the occupying authorities on territory seized by Moscow’s forces are using fear and indoctrination to compel Ukrainians to adopt a Russian way of life. “We are one people,” blue-white-and-red billboards say. “We are with Russia.”

Now comes the next act in President Vladimir V. Putin’s 21st-century version of a war of conquest: the grass-roots “referendum.”

Russia-appointed administrators in towns, villages and cities like Kherson in Ukraine’s south are setting the stage for a vote as early as September that the Kremlin will present as a popular desire in the region to become part of Russia. They are recruiting pro-Russia locals for new “election commissions” and promoting to Ukrainian civilians the putative benefits of joining their country; they are even reportedly printing the ballots already.

Any referendum would be totally illegitimate, Ukrainian and Western officials say, but it would carry ominous consequences. Analysts both in Moscow and Ukraine expect that it would serve as a prelude to Mr. Putin’s officially declaring the conquered area to be Russian territory, protected by Russian nuclear weapons — making future attempts by Kyiv to drive out Russian forces potentially much more costly.

Annexation would also represent Europe’s biggest territorial expansion by force since World War II, affecting an area several times larger than Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula that Mr. Putin took over in 2014.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220803071643/https://www.nytimes.com/202
2/07/30/world/europe/russia-occupation-ukraine-kherson.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:50 AM

He sure doesn't know Ukrainians very well. All the pencil pushers and forms and bombs will never make Ukrainians *accept* being Russian.

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Thursday, August 4, 2022 5:24 AM

Nobody cares.

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Thursday, August 4, 2022 6:37 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

You are a Nobody.

With Russia showing signs of benefitting from a volatile and chaotic energy trade since its invasion of Ukraine, some have wondered if Western sanctions on the country have backfired — but measures to choke Russia's economy have been working in an unexpected way, top economist Paul Krugman says, and history suggests the West that will come out on top in the economic struggle.

"Russia is having no problem selling stuff, but it's having a lot of trouble buying stuff," Krugman wrote in an op-ed for the New York Times on Tuesday, noting that although Western nations have fixated on capping Russian exports, limitations on Russian imports have been wreaking havoc on Moscow's economy.

It's a departure from the intent of the original plan, which aimed to curb Russia's war revenue through energy bans and a possible a price cap on Russia energy, which Western leaders are looking to propose by year-end.

But that hasn't gone according to plan, and data shows Russia pulled in $24 billion in energy exports the first three months of war alone, and has been limiting supply to Western nations to drive up energy prices, tipping economies in Europe close to a recession. Since the start of Ukraine's invasion, Brent crude is up 8% to $101.96 as of 8:40 am ET and natural gas is up 70% to $7.81.

But import side of the equation tells a different story. Bans on selling to Russia have lowered Russia's trade volume with sanctioning countries by 60% and non-sanctioning countries by 40%, Krugman pointed out.

That's led to a dramatic decrease in Russia's industrial production and relatedly, its GDP. According to the Peterson Economic Institute, production in the country has fallen as much as 50% for goods ranging from plastic to coal to household appliances.

"So economic sanctions against Russia appear to have been surprisingly effective, just not in the way everyone expected," Krugman said.


He added that historically, previous attempts at economic warfare have been unsuccessful, unless they involved a military effort, such as the US sinking Japanese merchant shipments in World War II, causing the Japanese economy to tank.

That provides some optimism as Russia continues to slash energy supplies from Europe — suggesting that despite the attempts at retaliation, the country will struggle to come out on top against the West.

But Krugman acknowledged the fight would be affected by factors like inflation and high recession risks, which currently have the West in a difficult position. The Federal Reserve issued a 75-point rate hike last week to combat inflation running at 41-year highs, and the European Central Bank issued an aggressive half-point hike a few weeks ago to combat sky high prices and weakening economic sentiment.

However, Europe in particular still faces even greater difficulties ahead as the continent braces for winter without the normal flow of Russian gas supplies.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220804002938/https://markets.businessins
ider.com/news/commodities/russia-energy-sanctions-oil-natural-gas-western-war-paul-krugman-2022-8


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, August 4, 2022 9:02 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

You are a Nobody.



Proud nobody.

P.S. So are you. Although I bet it eats you up inside.



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Thursday, August 4, 2022 1:02 PM

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6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

SECOND: You are a Nobody.

Does it seem to you that SECOND is posting more personal potshots at us?



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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Thursday, August 4, 2022 1:04 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
He sure doesn't know Ukrainians very well. All the pencil pushers and forms and bombs will never make Ukrainians *accept* being Russian.

YOU don't know Ukrainians vey well. I posted right at the beginning of this ... 2014-ish or so ... that a significant minority (appx 30-35%) of Ukrainians speak Russian and don't want to *accept* being "Ukrainian".

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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THG
Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:40 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

He sure doesn't know Ukrainians very well. All the pencil pushers and forms and bombs will never make Ukrainians *accept* being Russian.

YOU don't know Ukrainians vey well. I posted right at the beginning of this ... 2014-ish or so ... that a significant minority (appx 30-35%) of Ukrainians speak Russian and don't want to *accept* being "Ukrainian".





One million Russian bots shut down in raid. I was hoping they got sig. Next time I guess.

tick tock sig, tick tock...

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Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:45 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

SECOND: You are a Nobody.

Does it seem to you that SECOND is posting more personal potshots at us?

Remember Trump's income tax evasion? The most he ever paid in the last 20 years was $750 that one time? 6ix says nobody cares. 6ix doesn't pay income tax so why should his hero pay? Signym said there is no law requiring Trump to prove he hasn't cheated on his income taxes. Until there is "proof" (a word Signym uses far too often) there is no "logical" (another word Signym uses too often) reason to condemn Trump for cheating. Using much the same thinking, neither 6ix nor Signym are concerned about Russians murdering Ukrainians and destroying Ukrainian real estate because there is no "proof" that Russians will go on to nuke the world if NATO interferes with the murdering done by Russians nor "proof" that "logically" Russians are committing war crimes. It is all hearsay and lies from biased mainstream media, which does not accept the "truth" that Russians are fighting Nazis wherever they are. Or as 6ix has said, the real enemy is NATO, which his heroic President Trump wanted to withdraw from, but he couldn't justify it, despite Putin wishing it could be done.

Signym and 6ix, are you detecting sarcasm? "Logically", you have no "proof". It is hearsay and lies from the M$M.

Donald Trump 'paid $750 in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017'
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54319948

John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term
https://web.archive.org/web/20220711113718/https://www.businessinsider
.com/bolton-putin-waiting-for-trump-to-withdraw-from-nato-in-2nd-term-2022-3




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, August 4, 2022 6:49 PM

Putin's escape plan revealed if he loses the war in Ukraine, here's where he could seek asylum

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-escape-plan-if-russia-los
es-the-war-in-ukraine/ss-AA10ihev


https://sot.com.al/english/bota/zbulohet-plani-i-arratisjes-se-putin-n
ese-humb-luften-ne-ukraine-ja-ku-mund-i528631


A 'spy' from Moscow has revealed the plan of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who says that he and his friends are preparing to flee Russia if his army is defeated in Ukraine.

According to a channel on Telegram, this bombastic revelation comes from inside the Kremlin, from a source who also claims that the Russian President is suffering from numerous health problems.

With Moscow's Donbas offensive stalling, Ukraine preparing to retake occupied Kherson and seeing its economy crumble, the Russian dictator is "aware of the possibility of a sharp mood swing in the country, in the event of total failure .

Last week, the General SVR channel reported that the 69-year-old had suffered from 'severe nausea' during the night, with doctors allegedly staying at his bedside for around three hours.

Following that report, they claim that 'Putin himself and his entourage are preparing plans to evacuate Russia'.

Any plane carrying Putin and his family out of Russia is thought to be going to Syria, the closest friendly country and whose leader, Bashar al-Assad, Putin saved by intervening in the civil war in 2015.

However, any flight from Russia to Syria would have to pass through the airspace of Turkey, a NATO member state.

If Turkey's strongman leader, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, were to refuse permission for the plane of Putin and his family to enter his airspace, it would effectively disrupt the fastest and perhaps only route to escape of the Russian tyrant.

Erdogan and Putin have a complex relationship, having been friends and foes at various times over the past decade as each leader tries to navigate their country through a challenging geopolitical quarter.

Iran is another regional power and Western foe that would be interested in Putin's fate.
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"In principle, it is useful for Iran and Turkey to keep the Russian president in exile in reserve, using him, depending on the situation, as a lever or as a bargaining chip," the Telegram channel noted.

Although Turkey is a member of the Western military alliance, under the leadership of Erdogan, the country has cut its own diplomatic path in international relations. Earlier this month, Putin met with his Turkish and Iranian counterparts in Tehran, ostensibly to discuss Syria.

It is not too much of a stretch to imagine that Erdogan and Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi privately discussed the possibility of Putin seeking asylum in the event of a coup or pro-revolutionary demonstrations in Moscow.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian forces were said yesterday to be gaining momentum near the occupied city of Kherson. Airstrikes have destroyed several bridges, leaving the remaining Russian troops trapped, and a counter-offensive to retake the only major city Russia managed to capture is expected in the coming weeks.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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