Russian losses in Ukraine Now At 1 Million Killed Or Wounded

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SIGNYM

Saturday, July 23, 2022 8:15 AM

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"Putin Entirely Too Healthy," Says CIA Director After Rumors He Was Dying

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-entirely-too-healthy-says
-cia-director-after-rumors-he-was-dying

Yeah, I put the "Putin has cancer" news in the trashbin along with "Shoigu had a major heart attack and is dying in hospital" news.

Can't you tell when you're being lied to?

Apparently not.

I toss western statements about Russian losses into the same trashbin.

I ASSUME western and Ukrainian media is lying unless demonstrated otherwise, and most of the time I'm correct.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 23, 2022 3:13 PM

I put the "Putin has cancer" news in the trash bin along with the "Biden* has cancer" news in the trash bin.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 23, 2022 10:37 PM

Unfortunately, there are some topics our establishment media - and that includes "5 eyes" and German media, since they're locked into ours- lies about RELIABLY:

American foreign policy, especially now about Russia but about... anybody, really: Iraq, China, Venezuela, Iran ... the fickle finger of fate decides!

American domestic political movements: "white supremacy" being the biggest threat since global terrorism, Antifa/BLM/CRT, LGBTQX+/gender identity etc.

Also, opinion polls.

Non-establishment politicians of any party or any figure that rises up in the news, if they become influential: Bernie Sanders, Rand Paul, Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump. Kyle Rittenhouse. Nick Sandmann.

Any crisis- real, imagined, or exaggerated - that can drive centralized authoritarianism and/ or allow the DOJ to politically persecute: collusion! terrorism! Gun violence! Covid! The heat death of the planet! Russia!

Our economy, which they constantly conflate with financialism (stock market, real estate) and speculation (commodities, cryptocurrencies, forex) and diddle the numbers (inflation, unemployment).

Non-establishment media: anything anybody tweets, posts on FB or YT that doesn't get the blue (DNC) checkmark of "truthiness"

*****

That doesn't leave much, does it? But when I think about HOW MUCH of the "news" I have to quarantine/shitcan until it's verified, it's an indication of how smothering and all-encompassing the "official narrative"/propaganda has become. It's hard not to get your brain infested with fake news when it's all around you.

Hmmm... well, at least they get the "man bites dog" local stories correct. Usually.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Saturday, July 23, 2022 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

That doesn't leave much, does it? But when I think about HOW MUCH of the "news" I have to quarantine/shitcan until it's verified, it's an indication of how smothering and all-encompassing the "official narrative"/propaganda has become. It's hard not to get your brain infested with fake news when it's all around you.

Give a few examples of "verified" news about the Ukraine war. Who does verification good enough for Signym?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 23, 2022 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

That doesn't leave much, does it? But when I think about HOW MUCH of the "news" I have to quarantine/shitcan until it's verified, it's an indication of how smothering and all-encompassing the "official narrative"/propaganda has become. It's hard not to get your brain infested with fake news when it's all around you.
Give a few examples of "verified" news about the Ukraine war. Who does verification good enough for Signym?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

I do the verification, SHITCAN.

I broaden my sources and bang different reports together. I read/listen outside of the bubble.

Sometimes,given enough time, they even say the same thing. (Like "Putin entirely too healthy", or- eventually, the position of the frontline in Ukraine.)

I READ CAREFULLY. For example, Russians are NOT accused of "shooting down" MH17.

I LOOK FOR EVIDENCE. That DOESN'T mean gossip or allegations, it means verifiable fact, like file metadata, written documents, etc

I PAY ATTENTION TO WHO HAS LIED ABOUT WHAT IN THE PAST.

I parse for cui bono.

I look for patterns ... when does a "news item" become part of a daily drumbeat? When does it disappear? I look for "moving goalposts" or efforts to change the narrative or memory-hole a topic.

I look for efforts to play on emotion: Name-calling. Shocking allegtions. Dehumanization. Demonization. Fear-mongering.

Whenever some claims that "someone" is trying to do "something" I ask "HOW?". Because, in the real world, there will always be a trail of HOW. That's why I knew that Jan 6 wasn't an attempted coup or even an insurrection: There as no plan by which it could have come about, no assembled people, no asembled materiel. That's how I knew Iraq didn't have WMD. That's how I knew that Trump wasn't "colluding" with Russia: There was no "How are they doing that"?

I look beyond out-of-context snippets. I watched an entire 2 hours of a videotape of the Covington students waiting for their bus. It was crystal clear that the "respected Native Elder" waded into the students, confrontationally. Not the other way around.

I check to see if it contradicts itself, or if it makes sense. (For example, does it makes sense to say that Russia lost as many, or more, soldiers in Ukraine than Kiev did? No, it doesn't.)

I compare it to basics: where is the energy (I mean energy as in physics, not emotional agitation) flowing? Who is producing what? I talk to friends who do the same thing, more insightfully.

NOT YOU, OF COURSE.
You post topics that contradict each other, sometimes one right after another. When you get your ass handed to you on one topic, you trail a red herring across it. You name-call. You splatter the board with anything you can find, whether it makes sense or not. You insinuate devious motives in others. You try and associate a person (Trump, Putin.me) with irrelevant others (Confederate generals, Hitler, Stalin, Putin etc)

If somone REALLY gets under your skin, you threaten them in a backhand way, or wish them ill.

Shit, son, you have SUCH an extensive history of lying I don't even read thru your posts anymore. They're 99.9% hate-driven pointless garbage.

It's clear you hate Americans and you hate anyone who loves America.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Sunday, July 24, 2022 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I do the verification, SHITCAN.

I broaden my sources and bang different reports together. I read/listen outside of the bubble.

Sometimes,given enough time, they even say the same thing. (Like "Putin entirely too healthy", or- evntually, the position of the frontline in Ukraine)

I READ CAREFULLY. . . .

What I wrote was "Give a few examples of "verified" news about the Ukraine war. Who does verification good enough for Signym?" Instead of giving me a few examples of verified news, you write a few paragraphs praising yourself. You are not reading carefully.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 24, 2022 2:56 AM

Nobody could be THIS obtuse, SECOND, unless they wre being stupid on purpose or unless they were really REALLY moronic.
So, which is it?
Moronic?
Or lying?

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SECOND: What I wrote was "Give a few examples of "verified" news about the Ukraine war.

Give me a few examples of when you stopped beating your children.
You must be missing the point on purpose.

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SECOND: Who does verification good enough for Signym?

NOBODY. I have posted so many times in so many ways I don't trust ANY news source. UNLIKE YOU, I don't turn my judgment over to some clearly biased party with an agenda. And, they ALL have n agenda.

But SOME news sources have proven so mendacious, so far off the mark from reality, I barely look at them. And then, usually only to inform myself what they're lying about THIS time.

That's how I view your posts, and THUGR's, and CAPON's. Why go to the M$M when I can get a distillation of all the warped thinking, rationalizations, lies, jingoism, authoritarianism, fascism, paranoia, and fear-mongering right here?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:15 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Nobody could be THIS obtuse, SECOND, unless they wre being stupid on purpose or unless they were really REALLY moronic.
So, which is it?
Moronic?
Or lying?

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SECOND: What I wrote was "Give a few examples of "verified" news about the Ukraine war.
Give me a few examples of when you stopped beating your children.
You must be missing the point on purpose.

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SECOND: Who does verification good enough for Signym?
NOBODY. I have posted so many times in so many ways I don't trust ANY news source. UNLIKE YOU, I don't turn my judgment over to some clearly biased party with an agenda. And, they ALL have n agenda.

But SOME news sources have proven so mendacious, so far off the mark from reality, I barely look at them. And then, usually only to inform myself what they're lying about THIS time.

That's how I view your posts, and THUGR's, and CAPON's. Why go to the M$M when I can get a distillation of all the warped thinking, rationalizations, lies, jingoism, authoritarianism, fascism, paranoia, and fear-mongering right here?

There you go again, Signym, praising yourself rather than giving examples of Ukraine stories you trust.

Signym, test your methods on a story from today:

Russia Hits Ukraine's Black Sea Port Despite Grain Deal

Russian missiles have struck Ukraine’s Black Sea port of Odesa just hours after Moscow and Kyiv signed deals to allow grain exports to resume from there.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-07-23/russia-ukraine-t
rade-missile-strikes-on-wars-150th-day

Tell me, Signym, which part of the story is true, which false?

1) True or false: Russian missiles struck Odessa

2) True or false: Russia signed a deal to allow grain exports from there.

3) True or false: This is a tricky question. Is Russia's behavior inconsistent with signing a deal? If 1) or 2) are false in your mind, Signym, then it not tricky at all, but if 1) and 2) are both true, then a tricky lawyer could argue that 3) is still false.

Personally I think all three are true. What is your version of the story, Signym, after you use your unique mental powers on it?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:30 AM

Nobody cares.

We're less than 4 months away from proving that theory as a fact.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:41 AM

I DON'T TRUST UKRAINE STORIES.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO POST THAT?

Russia wants to look like it's winning. It wants it's people on side (as the Brits say.)

Ukraine wants to look like it's winning. It wants to keep the EU, NATO, and the USA on side. All of that money! Somebody in Ukraine is getting rich!

The USA wants to paint Russia as both dangerously evil and, at the same time, clownishly incompetent. Seems like a recipe for cognitive dissonance, but brainwashed people don't suffer from that bc you need some cognition for that dissonance.

As a result, what I have found is that Russia admits losses slowly, if at all. But if they say they've done something, they're usually truthful bc eventually Ukraine and the west have to admit the front line has moved, or that Ukraine is suffering heavy losses.

Kiev? Tells BIG FAT JUICY WHOPPERS that are eventually discredited. The Ghost of Kiev. The brave soldiers of Snakes Island. Mass rapes by Russian soldiers. Offensives that are going to happen, any day now! "Million man army". It's gotten to the point I shitcan anything coming out of Kiev.

The USA has its muddled message. We're supporting democracy in Ukraine! No, weren't weakening Russia to cause regime change! Russia is a clusterfuck! But it's so powerful it has caused both the global food crisis AND the energy crisis! And if course the whoopers: Putin is dying. Shoigu had a heart attack. Gerasimov has been fired. Russia is running out of missiles. The stuff that doesn't cancel itself often belongs in the shitcan, too. WHY the neocons have such a hardon for Russia, I don't know. It's as bad as JO753"s paranoia that Russia might do "something" "somehow", altho he can't say what, or how.

What I get out of the welter of propaganda sloshing around is that Russia's actions are explained by security issues, and America's actions are explained by aggression.

When the neocons tried to topple Syria, Russia sent ships from Sebastopol athwart the Syrian coast. A lightbulb went on in the neocons' heads Oh yeah! Sebastopol'. After that, they made it their mission to acquire Russia's only warm water naval base.

The neocons have also had this fixation about creating a cordon sanitaire, and eventually breaking up Russia for a resource grab. So NATO expanded inexorably east, and NATO missiles went into Poland and Romania, and it looked like Ukraine might be next

Go back to Putin's Security Council speech of 2007. I think you'll find it all there.

All of the rest is just window-dressing, IMHO .

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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