Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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SECOND

Monday, July 4, 2022 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, at this point people who vote Dem are either poor resentful blacks, poor Hispanics, resentful women, LGBTQX activists, or virtue-signalling white males. Hardly the kind of attitude groups on which to build a better nation.

If you love America and care about Americans .... and clearly, you DON'T ... you would reward hard work, a positive attitude, realism, and a concern for all Americans equally. That would build a strong, independent, and properous nation.

Instead, you obviously hate America and most Americans. You hate people who expect to be rewarded for working, and you care far more about Ukraine/ Russia/ Vietnam/ blacks/ LGBTQ/ illegal immigrants/ (fill in the blank) splinter groups. And in reality you promote virtue-signalling rentier money-grubbers.

Seriously? Are you crazy, Signym? Or are you a Russian propagandist? Meanwhile:

A data set of nearly eight million articles about Ukraine collected from more than 8,000 Russian websites since 2014 shows that references to Nazism were relatively flat for eight years and then spiked to unprecedented levels on Feb. 24, the day Russia invaded Ukraine. They have remained high ever since.

The data, provided by Semantic Visions, a defense analytics company, includes major Russian state media outlets in addition to thousands of smaller Russian websites and blogs. It gives a view of Russia’s attempts to justify its attack on Ukraine and maintain domestic support for the ongoing war by falsely portraying Ukraine as being overrun by far-right extremists.

News stories have falsely claimed that Ukrainian Nazis are using noncombatants as human shields, killing Ukrainian civilians and planning a genocide of Russians.

The strategy was most likely intended to justify what the Kremlin hoped would be a quick ouster of the Ukrainian government, said Larissa Doroshenko, a researcher at Northeastern University who studies disinformation. “It would help to explain why they’re establishing this new country in a sense,” Dr. Doroshenko said. “Because the previous government were Nazis, therefore they had to be replaced.”

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2022/07/03/how-the-russian-media-spre
ad-false-claims-about-nazis-in-ukraine/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 12:13 AM

Quote:
SIGNYM:
SECOND, at this point people who vote Dem are either poor resentful blacks, poor Hispanics, resentful women, LGBTQX activists, or virtue-signalling white males. Hardly the kind of attitude groups on which to build a better nation.

If you love America and care about Americans .... and clearly, you DON'T ... you would reward hard work, a positive attitude, realism, and a concern for all Americans equally. That would build a strong, independent, and properous nation.

Instead, you obviously hate America and most Americans. You hate people who expect to be rewarded for working, and you care far more about Ukraine/ Russia/ Vietnam/ blacks/ LGBTQ/ illegal immigrants/ (fill in the blank) splinter groups. And in reality you promote virtue-signalling rentier money-grubbers.

SECOND: Seriously? Are you crazy, Signym? Or are you a Russian propagandist?

For chrissake, SECOND, can't you STOP DIVERTING for even ONE SENTENCE? You are clearly waging some sort of proaganda "war". Yanno, like CAPON, only nuttier.

Quote:
Meanwhile:

A data set of nearly eight million articles about Ukraine collected from more than 8,000 Russian websites since 2014 shows that references to Nazism were relatively flat for eight years an...

All of this is clearly explainable by news cycles.

But what does this have to do with caring about AMERICA? Every time loving America comes up, you start banging on about Trump, or Russia, or the Confederacy, or Russia, or the poor illegal aliens, or Trump, or Russia, or the poor illegal aliens, or slavery, or Russia...

One could imagine that caring about America is toxic to you, or something.

Well, I have more interesting things to do than this.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 12:24 AM

This is the topic that SECOND is avoiding.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, at this point people who vote Dem are either poor resentful blacks, poor Hispanics, resentful women, LGBTQX activists, or virtue-signalling white males. Hardly the kind of attitude groups on which to build a better nation.

If you love America and care about Americans .... and clearly, you DON'T ... you would reward hard work, a positive attitude, realism, and a concern for all Americans equally. That would build a strong, independent, and properous nation.

Instead, you obviously hate America and most Americans. You hate people who expect to be rewarded for working, and you care far more about Ukraine/ Russia/ Vietnam/ blacks/ LGBTQ/ illegal immigrants/ (fill in the blank) splinter groups. And in reality you promote virtue-signalling rentier money-grubbers.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 1:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
Meanwhile:

A data set of nearly eight million articles about Ukraine collected from more than 8,000 Russian websites since 2014 shows that references to Nazism were relatively flat for eight years an...
All of this is clearly explainable by news cycles.

But what does this have to do with caring about AMERICA? Every time loving America comes up, you start banging on about Trump, or Russia, or the Confederacy, or Russia, or the poor illegal aliens, or Trump, or Russia, or the poor illegal aliens, or slavery, or Russia...

One could imagine that caring about America is toxic to you, or something.

Well, I have more interesting things to do than this.

Ukrainians see this war as pretty simple: Russians invaded their country and Ukrainians are gonna kill 'em to persuade 'em to leave Ukraine. But Russians see Ukraine as Russian, which makes it incomprehensible to Russians why the locals want to kill Russians. It must be the locals who are loco, at least from the viewpoint of Russians. See the scholarly article about Putin’s claims that Ukraine and Russia are ‘one people’ https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/ukraine-history-fact-checking-put
in-513812/

I could draw parallels between Ukrainians/Russians and Democrats/Trumptards, but why bother? I don't think Trumptards can understand any better than Russians can understand that Ukraine is not theirs. Trumptards are claiming to own America, nevertheless, it is not theirs. There is obviously, and very visibly, a wrongness with Trumptards which they can't recognize about themselves, but sure as hell is revealed in economic terms: Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy. What does this mean for the nation’s political-economic divide?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-coun
ties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/

Look at 6ix. He is the quintessential Trumptard, bragging that he is not angry poor white trash and bragging he lives on $18/day, pays no income tax, and will never work again. The Trumptards I know who do work are almost as worthless at work as 6ix, but exactly like 6ix, they don't know that about themselves. All the problems Trumptards have will grow because they lack understanding that they are solely the cause of their own problems. See 6ix's craziness, addictness, toothlessness, unemployableness, and unmarriageableness. Government cannot fix what is wrong with Trumptards. Luckily, Ukrainians can fix what is wrong with Russians. Too bad for Russians about the details of the fixing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

THG

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 1:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, at this point people who vote Dem are either poor resentful blacks, poor Hispanics, resentful women, LGBTQX activists, or virtue-signalling white males. Hardly the kind of attitude groups on which to build a better nation.

If you love America and care about Americans .... and clearly, you DON'T ... you would reward hard work, a positive attitude, realism, and a concern for all Americans equally. That would build a strong, independent, and properous nation.

Instead, you obviously hate America and most Americans. You hate people who expect to be rewarded for working, and you care far more about Ukraine/ Russia/ Vietnam/ blacks/ LGBTQ/ illegal immigrants/ (fill in the blank) splinter groups. And in reality you promote virtue-signalling rentier money-grubbers.

Nope, I'm in the right thread. It's you comrade who are not.

T

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 1:47 AM

Almost didn't notice this thread got to 1,000 posts.
Seems like it got derailed long ago.

I go days without hearing M$M mentioning Ukraine or Putin. They gotta gin up baby Covid before another round of Election Theft.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 3:38 AM

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Quote:
SECOND: Meanwhile:

A data set of nearly eight million articles about Ukraine collected from more than 8,000 Russian websites since 2014 shows that references to Nazism were relatively flat for eight years an...

SIGNY: All of this is clearly explainable by news cycles.

But what does this have to do with caring about AMERICA? Every time loving America comes up, you start banging on about Trump, or Russia, or the Confederacy, or Russia, or the poor illegal aliens, or Trump, or Russia, or the poor illegal aliens, or slavery, or Russia...

One could imagine that caring about America is toxic to you, or something.

Well, I have more interesting things to do than this.

SECOND Ukrainians...

You cant lump all Ukrainians together. A significant minority are happy with the "invasion" and are, in fact, fighting alongside Russians.
Once again, you misrepresent the actual situation.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 8:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I must be in the wrong thread?

Most of the time, yes.

*****
Ya gotta admit, THUGR, you walked into that one!

I can see where Ted got confused. Second can't stop talking about me.

I think it's love.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

SECOND

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 2:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

You cant lump all Ukrainians together. A significant minority are happy with the "invasion" and are, in fact, fighting alongside Russians.
Once again, you misrepresent the actual situation.

Did Putin misrepresent the actual situation?

Putin undermined his own rationale for invading Ukraine, saying that the war is to expand Russian territory

Putin said on Thursday that the Ukraine invasion is about expanding Russian territory.

Before, Putin insisted that Russia was freeing Ukraine from so-called Nazis and preventing genocide.

Putin said it was his destiny to "return and reinforce" Russia like Peter the Great did.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said publicly for the first time on Thursday that his invasion of Ukraine is about expanding Russian territory, which Western leaders have long maintained.

To date, Putin has justified the invasion by saying, baselessly, that he's preventing Ukraine and what he described as a neo-Nazi government from committing genocide against ethnic Russians. He has also said that NATO's eastward expansion threatens Russia's national security.

Putin, speaking with students on Thursday after visiting an exhibition about Peter the Great, Russia's first emperor credited with making the country a major power in the early 18th century, compared himself to the ruler and said they were both destined to expand Russia.

"Clearly, it fell to our lot to return and reinforce as well," he said. "And if we operate on the premise that these basic values constitute the basis of our existence, we will certainly succeed in achieving our goals."

In addition to seizing territory in a 21-year war with Sweden in the late 17th century, Peter captured the territory of Azov from Crimean Tatars, who were aligned with Turkey, in 1696, and he seized territory on the Caspian Sea from Persia in 1723.

"On the face of it, he was at war with Sweden taking something away from it," Putin said of Peter. "He was returning and reinforcing, that is what he was doing."

In a tweet on Friday, Mykhailo Podolyak, an advisor to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, said Putin's comments prove his "contrived pretexts of people's genocide" in Ukraine were false and demanded "immediate de-imperialization" of Russia.

Putin's attempts to expand Russian territory started long before his invasion of Ukraine on February 24. Putin invaded Georgia in 2008 and still backs pro-Kremlin factions there. In 2014, Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine and invaded the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine via proxies that same year.

Just two days before invading Ukraine, Putin said claims he wanted to restore the Russian empire were false. But Western leaders have long maintained that this was not the case.

"He has much larger ambitions than Ukraine. He wants to, in fact, reestablish the former Soviet Union. That's what this is about," President Joe Biden said on February 24, the first day of the invasion.

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-says-ukraine-war-seize-land-russ
ia-undermines-rationale-2022-6

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Tuesday, July 5, 2022 3:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I must be in the wrong thread?

Most of the time, yes.

*****
Ya gotta admit, THUGR, you walked into that one!

I can see where Ted got confused. Second can't stop talking about me.

I think it's love.

The people I know who voted for Trump twice, or more, were struggling through life long before Trump became a politician. I don't know what 6ix is because I have never been near 6ix, but I sure know what kind of people Trumptards are: the women are obnoxious and ignorant and the men are incompetent and crooked and both are proud of it. I have not meet all the Trumptards in America, but because of my large sample size of Trumptards, I am confident that their character is the cause of their troubled lives. But Trumptards don't want to believe that about themselves as a matter of pride. Therefore, they blame Democrats. Russia is loaded up with people who have the same flawed character as the Trumptards, except it is Putin, not Trump, they give authority to. And who do the Russians blame, instead of themselves, for their troubled lives? NATO, EU, UK, USA, Ukraine.

A certain rich man lumped the two things together for the 4th of July. Ray Dalio has hit out at political extremes in the U.S. that don’t respect a rules-based system, and warned that Russia is likely to be the “lesser loser” from the Ukraine war as the economic cost to the West causes NATO support to fracture.

The founder of Bridgewater Associates, the world’s largest hedge fund with about $150 billion under management, took to Linkedin on the U.S. Independence Day holiday to deliver an update on the forces he believes are shaping the world.

And he’s not happy with how things are going in the U.S.

“The remarkable leaders who designed the governance system [after the 1776 declaration of independence] and laid it out in the Constitution created both a principled and practical approach that thus far has lasted for nearly 250 years,” Dalio wrote.

But now, some of the essential elements required for representative democracies to work well are being called into question, he noted, such as abiding by election votes and rulings of the Supreme Court.

“With increasing conflict between populists of the right and populists of the left, growing numbers of people are inclined to fight for what they want and what they believe is right rather that work themselves through the rules-based system of consensus and compromise that our Founding Fathers designed.”

Meanwhile, the world order is not changing for the better, implied Dalio, if the conflict in Ukraine is a guide.

If Russian President Vladimir Putin ends up controlling the eastern part of Ukraine and manages to remain on the world stage then Russia would be a “lesser loser,” Dalio reckoned.

“Because the devastation in Ukraine has been so much greater than it has been in Russia, and because this will be economically costly to Ukraine and/or those countries that will pay to have it rebuilt, the war looks like it will be even more costly to NATO countries, so that also will be relative win for Russia,” he added.

In summary he said: “It appears that few countries are lining up strongly against Russia and behind NATO countries, and it appears that support within NATO countries for war is weakening due to its relatively high costs.”

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ray-dalio-attacks-u-s-populists-and-
warns-russia-may-be-lesser-loser-in-ukraine-war-11656948778

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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