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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

POSTED BY: captaincrunch
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Thursday, June 2, 2022 12:32 PM

Yes, I knew about living standards in England. Cottagers thrown off the land, homelessness, workouses, poorhouses, beggar children and pauper children, flower girls, mtach girls, prostitution... it's been so widely portrayed (poverty is the in the background of Charles Dickens' and Jane Austen's stories) that I'm surprised you didn't know about it.

The USA provoked the war in Ukraine to regime- change Russia. Biden* said so. (He* just recently reversed himself. He* thinks we're going to believe him*?)

This was never about Ukraine. It was all abut the west v Russia and China. WWIII already started. It just really hasn't gotten going yet. If we're lucky, it won't.

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

This was never about Ukraine. It was all abut the west v Russia and China. WWIII already started. It just really hasn't gotten going yet. If we're lucky, it won't.

Recently, Russians are being made aware of new and loftier goals that weren't talked about 100 days ago, before Russia entered Ukraine.

Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov expounded on the idea of Russia’s crusade against the Western world: “For us, the special military operation is just the first act, an introduction. The war that is going on right now... it’s not just an economical war and info-war, this war is about our faith. It’s about our right, as the people, to have faith in what we want to believe, to love those we want to love, and to live the way our ancestors would have wanted, on our land and by our birthright.”

Signym, that sounds . . . well . . . what do you think? It continues:

Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “I’m convinced that this war is about faith. Russia is an Orthodox country, and by “Orthodox” I don’t mean just Christianity. Orthodoxy is when on our territory all traditional religions peacefully co-exist: traditional Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism... They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


Wars over religion are the very best wars of all. Also the longest wars.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 7:32 PM

Corned Beef And Cocaine -- Putin’s Men, The Israeli Smugglers, And The Great St. Petersburg Drug Bust

https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-cocaine-connection/31855099.html (Radio Free Europe - Radio Liberty)

Putin has a colorful past from his time as deputy mayor of St. Petersburg. Too bad that Boris Yeltsin didn't select somebody less colorful than Putin to be his successor as "acting" President of Russia from 31 December 1999 to 7 May 2000. Putin has gone from "acting" to, maybe, President-for-Life. If Putin can convince Russians that the Ukraine War is a clash between Christianity and Satanists, Putin's murky past won't make any difference since he is the only one who can save Russia from being conquered by the heathens of Western Europe and North America.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by second:

Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “I’m convinced that this war is about faith. Russia is an Orthodox country, and by “Orthodox” I don’t mean just Christianity. Orthodoxy is when on our territory all traditional religions peacefully co-exist: traditional Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism... They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.”



What a backward country, frozen in time. 1800's? Putin thinks himself a Russian version of Napoleon? Same dim features, same little man angst. How'd that work out for Bonaparte? I mean, after all the dead were counted? He lost everywhere.
Russia only has a chance of beating a smaller country because they have more bombs that they can fire with fewer men (fewer f-ups) from greater (safer) distances. All thanks to Oil Money - i.e. dumb geography luck. And still not sure what the end game is. Grain? Territory? Ignominy? Self destruction?



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Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
And still not sure what the end game is. Grain? Territory? Ignominy? Self destruction?

Russia had seen so many worlds flicker in and out of existence in such blistering progression — from communism to perestroika to shock therapy to penury to oligarchy to mafia state to mega-rich — that for Russians life is just one glittering masquerade, where every role and any position or belief is mutable.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, June 3, 2022 1:04 AM

I suggest that you take the Russian Security Council at its word: This is about security. If that involves the globalist west, then that's because the globalist west is warring against Russia.

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Friday, June 3, 2022 5:26 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I suggest that you take the Russian Security Council at its word: This is about security. If that involves the globalist west, then that's because the globalist west is warring against Russia.

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If this about "security", then the war won't end until NATO surrenders to Russia. It will be a long war. Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.” War on Germany. War on France.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


“Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance.” War on NATO.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


But if it is Putin wanting a legacy, then as soon as he changes his mind about what he needs to declare victory or Putin dies, the war is over.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, June 3, 2022 5:51 AM

The classified U.S. report says Putin seems to have re-emerged after undergoing treatment in April for advanced cancer, three U.S. intelligence leaders who have read the reports tell Newsweek.

The assessments also confirm that there was an assassination attempt on Putin’s life in March, the officials say.

The high-ranking officials, who represent three separate intelligence agencies, are concerned that Putin is increasingly paranoid about his hold on power, a status that makes for a rocky and unpredictable course in Ukraine.

“Putin’s grip is strong but no longer absolute,” says one of the senior intelligence officers with direct access to the reports. “The jockeying inside the Kremlin has never been more intense during his rule, everyone sensing that the end is near.”

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-putin-treated-cancer-april-us-intel
ligence-report-says-1710357


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, June 3, 2022 6:43 AM

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Originally posted by second:
The classified U.S. report says Putin seems to have re-emerged after undergoing treatment in April for advanced cancer, three U.S. intelligence leaders who have read the reports tell Newsweek.

The assessments also confirm that there was an assassination attempt on Putin’s life in March, the officials say.

The high-ranking officials, who represent three separate intelligence agencies, are concerned that Putin is increasingly paranoid about his hold on power, a status that makes for a rocky and unpredictable course in Ukraine.

“Putin’s grip is strong but no longer absolute,” says one of the senior intelligence officers with direct access to the reports. “The jockeying inside the Kremlin has never been more intense during his rule, everyone sensing that the end is near.”

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-putin-treated-cancer-april-us-intel
ligence-report-says-1710357


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

I suppose I shouldfile this with "Gerasimov was fired", "Shoigu had a near-fatal heart attack", and "Trump was colluding with Russia"?

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Friday, June 3, 2022 6:55 AM

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SIGNYM:
I suggest that you take the Russian Security Council at its word: This is about security. If that involves the globalist west, then that's because the globalist west is warring against Russia.


SECOND: If this about "security", then the war won't end until NATO surrenders to Russia. It will be a long war. Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.” War on Germany. War on France.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


“Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance.” War on NATO.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


But if it is Putin wanting a legacy, then as soon as he changes his mind about what he needs to declare victory or Putin dies, the war is over.

Since I have a pretty good idea f "propaganda for the masses" here, I think I have a pretty good sense of "propaganda for the masses" in Russia.

People don't get worked up over abstract geopolitical concepts. They tend to get worked up over more ... colorful ... narratives: "Putin is crazy" or "Plucky Ukrainians fighting for freedom" or other emotion-laden stories. Making the west sound like evil creatures spawned by a sick civilization will prolly get more traction in Russia than putting a map up of the world with missile flight times to Moscow, or a discussion about globalization.

I discount many of those Russian statements ... which tend to cycle pretty quickly, just like ours do ... from one narrative to another as internal propaganda. The whole Russian Security Council has to agree on a plan of action, and my impression is there are quite a few strong-minded people there. Irrational plans and ideas would be sieved out pretty quickly.

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