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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:14 PM

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SECOND: I know perfectly well what you are doing, Signym.
Good. Because all I'm doing is posting THE TRUTH. You may not like this truth, but it's the situation in Ukraine as best as I can discern.
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SECOND: Where the Soviets once co-opted and repurposed concepts such as “democracy,” “human rights” and “sovereignty” to mask their opposites, the Putinists use them playfully to suggest that not even the West really believes in them — all liberalism is cant, and anyone can be bought.
Gullible people in the west believe their own cant, but an objective observer will note that the west DOESN'T promote democracy, human rights, and sovereignty. In reality, the west destroys and deconstructs wherever it goes, virtue-signalling all the while.

I added to my post and made a correction. It's Patrick Lancaster and here is his on-the-street reporting from Mariupol
https: //m.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos

I separated part of the URL so it would show up and you can copy it.

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 1:16 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Gullible people in the west believe their own cant, but an objective observer will note that the west DOESN'T promote democracy, human rights, and sovereignty. In reality, the west destroys and deconstructs wherever it goes, virtue-signalling all the while.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym

Signym, you repeated too many times the prediction about Russia winning. Somebody gulled you into believing they know the unknown future is a certainty. And you really need to fix your signature, Signym, or William Blake will rise from his grave and punch your face for misusing a few chopped words from a longer poem that means nothing of what you imply.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:14 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Gullible people in the west believe their own cant, but an objective observer will note that the west DOESN'T promote democracy, human rights, and sovereignty. In reality, the west destroys and deconstructs wherever it goes, virtue-signalling all the while.

SECOND: Signym, you repeated too many times the prediction about Russia winning. Somebody gulled you into believing they know the unknown future is a certainty. And you really need to fix your signature, Signym, or William Blake will rise from his grave and punch your face for misusing a few chopped words from a longer poem that means nothing of what you imply.



As you say, I post this as a PREDICTION, not a belief. I base my prediction on a umber of factors (supply lines, military strategies, amount and type of military hardware etc). Whether my assessment is right or not... well, events will show.

AFA the poem: we had this discussion and I proved you wrong. Stop beating a dead horse.

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:19 AM

Funny how CAPON ran away from the whole topic, after starting at least four threads on it!

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:54 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

As you say, I post this as a PREDICTION, not a belief. I base my prediction on a umber of factors (supply lines, military strategies, amount and type of military hardware etc). Whether my assessment is right or not... well, events will show.

AFA the poem: we had this discussion and I proved you wrong. Stop beating a dead horse.

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You proved nothing about the poem, Signym, but your inability to understand that particular poem has reminded me why Russians died in great abundance during WWII in the ratio of 4 Russians for every German: 3 out of 4 Russians understood nothing about fighting a war and so they died in vain. War is no harder to understand than Blake's “The Human Abstract” but when you misunderstand war you end up dead which is more devastating than a C grade in English Poetry.

The scene of devastation in Rubizhne shows what Russia's unrelenting artillery fire is capable of. The small city is gone - scoured from the earth.

The way it fell some two weeks ago, marks an important shift in how Vladimir Putin's forces are now fighting the war. Gone are long armoured columns and tank and infantry attacks seen in the first months, in favour of large-scale artillery barrages - as many as 1,500 shells a day in Rubizhne - to wipe out resistance before any ground advance.

In Lysychansk, I meet private first class, Vladimir, serving with a reconnaissance unit in the country's National Guard. Russian forces are adapting, he says, first they came in "bold and got hit hard", now the enemy flattens what it can't capture with infantry.

He tells me of his month in Rubizhne. "It wasn't Mariupol, but it was pretty close. It was very hard. There were a lot of losses - a lot of fighting across streets. There was also artillery, just removing those houses very fast. People were trying to hide in the basement so they had no view, no assessment of the current situation. So there were a lot of losses during that time."

The men and women fighting in Donbas for Ukraine are not inexperienced. Many have fought against Russian-backed separatists who, since 2014, have been trying to secede from Ukraine. But, in this new battle for the region, they face a national army - one that has large resources of men and equipment. Even for experienced fighters, the volume and nature of Russian weaponry being used in Donbas is overwhelming.

I speak to another guardsman who doesn't want to give his name. "It's not my first war," he says, "I mean that one was a trench warfare, so it's a bit different [this time]. When I went to Rubizhne I saw the whole picture. It was tough. Shots with high-explosive fragmentation grenades, 82 mm calibre weapons," he says, stopping to draw on a cigarette.

Casualty numbers are still rising, but Russia isn't running out of men in Donbas. Nor is the Kremlin running short of artillery shells. The explosives which are hammering Lysychansk and Severodonetsk seem in plentiful supply. The surrounding countryside too is marked like a pox with black artillery craters spreading for miles along fields and roadways.

"There's a lot of artillery," says Vladimir. "Bombardments are like a nightmare, we shoot one round, they shoot 10. When our sniper is shooting, they send in a full packet of Grads on his position. So it's basically a sniper with one bullet and they send like $1,000 of artillery rounds. They really don't care how much ammunition they use."

On the outskirts of Lysychansk, bigger guns have arrived on the Ukrainian front line. Another unit of the National Guard are working on an M777 howitzer, newly received from the Australian government. It has two kangaroos painted on the barrel.

The gun is welcome but, as almost everyone I meet tells me, they need more. They specifically asked for longer range wea

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 8:55 AM

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SIGNY:

As you say, I post this as a PREDICTION, not a belief. I base my prediction on a umber of factors (supply lines, military strategies, amount and type of military hardware etc). Whether my assessment is right or not... well, events will show.

AFA the poem: we had this discussion and I proved you wrong. Stop beating a dead horse.

SECOND: You proved nothing about the poem, Signym, but your inability to understand that particular poem has reminded me why Russians died in great abundance during WWII in the ratio of 4 Russians for every German: ...

blah blah blah...


The scene of devastation in Rubizhne shows what Russia's unrelenting artillery fire is capable of. The small city is gone - scoured from the earth.

The way it fell some two weeks ago, marks an important shift in how Vladimir Putin's forces are now fighting the war. Gone are long armoured columns and tank and infantry attacks seen in the first months, in favour of large-scale artillery barrages - as many as 1,500 shells a day in Rubizhne - to wipe out resistance before any ground advance.

In Lysychansk, I meet private first class, Vladimir...



YOU meet?
Ahem!
In all if this time you still don't know how to use the "quote" function?
It's very simple
First type an open bracket: [
Then without any spaces type the word: quote
Then w/o spaces type a closed bracket: ]
That begins your quote. It colors the font blue and indents.

When you want to end the quote
Type an open bracket: [
Then w/o spaces type a forward slash: /
Then w/o spaces type: quote
Then w/o spaces type closed bracket: ]

That reverts formatting to normal.

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Also, you might want to change what you posted. You post that Russians lost many soldiers in WWII bc they didn't know how to fight and imply that they haven't learned. Then you post that they DO know how to fight w/ fewer losses (long range, using lots of artillery). So you undercut your own point.
Do you even READ what you post?


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Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:06 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

YOU meet?

Ahem!
Inall if this time you still don't know how to use the "quote" function?
It's very simple
First type an open bracket [
Then without any spaces type the word The type a closed bracke


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The idea is to engage your mind, Signym, with the bigger world beyond your garden. Try engaging with this article, but just because you have never been in same room with these Russians doesn't mean you can't grasp what they are doing if you try hard:

Kremlin TV Names the Country Putin Will Invade Next

The first in line is apparently Poland, with Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev baselessly claiming on Tuesday that Poland is moving to seize territories in western Ukraine.

And they don’t stop there, suggesting Britain and the U.S. would be targeted in a looming WWIII.

While some in the West are pondering what kind of a concessions would allow Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin “to save face” in Ukraine, leading Russian lawmakers and top propagandists are advocating smashing the West, which they say is Russia’s ultimate target.

On the state TV show 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva announced: “I have some unpleasant news… Even though we are methodically destroying the weapons that are being delivered [to Ukraine], but the quantities in which the United States are sending them force us to come up with some global conclusions. Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance.

Vladimir Avatkov, from the Diplomatic Academy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said: “You mentioned WWIII and the way Americans and Poles are acting on the territory of Ukraine—indeed, we need to remember the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who said that anyone who tries to interfere in the special military operation will pay a heavy price.” Skabeeva interrupted: “We never forget about these words of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but a great number of people are already standing in line, trying to interfere in Russia’s special operation on the territory of Ukraine. Turns out, we have to act—but we’re yet to figure out how we can act without conducting a nuclear strike.”

Russian parliament member Oleg Matveychev weighed in: “If Poland starts any intervention… its current borders will be worthless.” Skabeeva wasn’t satisfied: “I wasn’t talking just about Poland, but mainly about Great Britain and the United States… they’re all lined up.” Avatkov chimed in: “No need to rush, there is a line. Everything in its time!”

Appearing on the state TV show Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov expounded on the idea of Russia’s crusade against the Western world: “For us, the special military operation is just the first act, an introduction. The war that is going on right now... it’s not just an economical war and info-war, this war is about our faith. It’s about our right, as the people, to have faith in what we want to believe, to love those we want to love, and to live the way our ancestors would have wanted, on our land and by our birthright.”

Kartapolov added: “These wars are not the first wars. In the 19th century—Napoleon, in the 20th century—Adolf Aloisovich Hitler, and every time all of Europe came at us. The same thing is happening now…”

Signym, there is much more at https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:13 AM

I skimmed as far as "Poland".
Hell, SECOND, I mentioned Poland.
Seems like the brain that needs engaging is not mine.

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:30 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Also, you might want to change what you posted. You post that Russians lost many soldiers in WWII bc they didn't know how to fight and imply that they haven't learned. Then you post that they DO know how to fight w/ fewer losses (long range, using lots of artillery). So you undercut your own point.
Do you even READ what you post?


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


Hypothetically, 10 competent Germans fight 40 Russians, 30 who are grossly incompetent. Give them years to fight. The 30 incompetents are guaranteed to die, which leaves 10 competent people on each side to fight to the death. Not hypothetically, 7 million Germans and 27 million Russians died in WWII. About half the dead Germans were killed by Americans, Brits, French, Canadians. The Russians showed that a large percent of them are very stupid about fighting. But then again, in any large Russian group most will be highly incompetent at fighting or even surviving two months when electricity, heat and clean water are turned off temporarily because the Germans targeted "modern" 1940 technology since Germans understood how to fight a war. Russians? Not so much and they died by the tens of millions because they didn't understand.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:43 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I skimmed as far as "Poland".
Hell, SECOND, I mentioned Poland.
Seems like the brain that needs engaging is not mine.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


Skim this: "Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance."

By the way, Signym, I figured out William Blake, but his understanding of industry is very out of date. Living standards in England did not actually improve much for average people due to the Industrial Revolution. That helps explain why critics like William Blake and Karl Marx were so fiercely critical of the industrialization process.

Pessimism Perpetuated: Real Wages and the Standard of Living in Britain during and after the Industrial Revolution by Charles H. Feinstein

New estimates of nominal earnings and the cost of living are presented and used to make a fresh assessment of changes in the real earnings of male and female manual workers in Britain from 1770 to 1870. Workers’ average real earnings are then adjusted for factors such as unemployment, the number of their dependents, and the costs of urbanization. The main finding is that the standard of living of the average working-class family improved by less than 15 percent between the 1780s and 1850s. This long plateau is shown to be consistent with other economic, political, and demographic indicators.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2566618

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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