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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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THG

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:41 PM

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Ukraine Fires Own Human Rights Chief For Perpetuating Russian Troop 'Systematic Rape' Stories

For over the past two months, an avalanche of stories have hit Western mainstream press which purported to document instances of mass rape carried out by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilians. One particular story in Time took off, driving outrage and condemnation by Western officials and receiving repeat coverage on CNN and other major US networks.

It alleged "a systemic, coordinated campaign of sexual violence" - relying chiefly on testimony gathered by Ukraine's appointed top human rights representative. It included a particularly shocking story of 25 teenage girls being gang-raped by Russian troops - nine of which became pregnant. According to the report:

Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys...

Ukrainians are speaking up about rape as a war crime to ensure the world holds Russia accountablehttps://t.co/tEilTSgmbS
— TIME (@TIME) April 24, 2022

As has been the pattern in prior wars, whether in Syria or Libya, the media claims got more and more sensational and over-the-top as the conflict intensified, and as Western powers became more deeply involved, yet with no concrete or definitive proof.

But one consistent detail in the majority of the stories is that the aforementioned Ukraine human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova, is often the central figure feeding Western correspondents the shocking rape stories.

For example, she's featured in this April Newsweek piece:

Lyudmila Denisova, the Ukrainian Parliament's Commissioner for Human Rights, alleged on Friday that Russian soldiers have raped children during the ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

In a Facebook post, Denisova alleged that an 11-year-old boy was raped by Russians in front of his mother who was tied to a chair and forced to watch as it happened in the Ukrainian city of Bucha.

Lyudmyla Denisova, Ukrainian government image

Many such stories which presented ever-more horrifying details as the war progressed quickly went viral, particularly among pro-Ukraine activists on Twitter and other social media, to the point where prominent pundits would begin casually agreeing amongst themself that Russians simply are "animals".

And below is another example among many, which tended to be based on "reports say" for many of the most central, damning claims...

But recently, within the last couple of weeks, as investigators began to dig deeper into the allegations, it seems the media stories started to dry up. The geopolitical analysis blog Moon of Alabama details what happened in the following:

However, a bunch of eager NGOs in Ukraine, hoping for fresh 'western' money for new 'rape consultation and recovery' projects, tried to find real rape cases. They were disappointed when they found that there was no evidence that any rape had taken place

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On May 25, a number of media outlets and NGOs published an open appeal to Lyudmila Denisova calling for improved communication on sexual crimes during the war.

The signatories insist that Denisova should disclose only information about which there is sufficient evidence, avoid sensationalism and excessive detail in their reports, use correct terminology and take care of the confidentiality and safety of victims.

"Sexual crimes during the war are family tragedies, a difficult traumatic topic, not a topic for publications in the spirit of the 'scandalous chronicle.' We need to keep in mind the goal: to draw attention to the facts of crimes," the appeal reads.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:04 PM

Ted. You are the single dumbest person I've ever had the displeasure of knowing.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

SECOND

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:23 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, now we're thieves? We steal other nations' money (agaist interntiona law) that's in our banks?

Yeah, THAT'LL do our banks' reputations a lot of good!
Not.

No, we do not have Russia's money in our banks. We have SOME of their money in our banks. And it's apparently not as much as "we" thought. "We" thought it was $350 billion. An actual count has the money at about $100billion. It's a lot, but not enough to rebuild Ukraine.

You can bet that whatever money Russia is currently making on selling gas and oil to the west is NOT going into western banks.

Nah. ASSUMING that Russia just doesn't take over all of Ukraine (I wouldn't, but then, I'm not on their Security Council) the west is going to get stuck with that tar baby.

Signym why do you not know that CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY has occurred in the United States during wartime ever since the revolutionary war?

As a means of financing hostilities against England, the Continental Congress declared in 1776 that the property of Loyalists was subject to seizure. By the end of 1781, every state had passed a confiscation act, and Loyalists had lost property worth millions of pounds. Article V of the Definitive Treaty of Peace (1783) provided that Congress would urge the states to compensate former owners whose property had been seized, but only South Carolina responded to this plea. With the United States itself refusing to provide compensation, the British Parliament ultimately indemnified a large number of Loyalists in an amount exceeding £3 million.

During the Civil War, both the North and the South confiscated property. The Confederacy's scheme, adopted in 1861, required all northern debts to be paid to the government in return for bonds. Designed essentially to produce revenue, it was not successful. The North's use of confiscation, culminating in the Emancipation Proclamation, effective 1 January 1863, was directed primarily toward the liberation of slaves. The slaveholders' losses incurred because of freed slaves has been estimated at $2 billion. The total value of confiscated nonhuman property, though greater in the South than in the North, was not large by modern standards, and some property was returned after the war.

World War I and World War II witnessed a revival of property seizure as an instrument of policy. Departing from its general policy of not disturbing alien-owned property in time of war, Congress enacted the Trading with the Enemy Act on 6 October 1917. This statute created the Office of Alien Property Custodian, which took over and operated in trust about $700 million of enemy-owned or enemy-controlled property. After the war, Congress decided to return most of this property, and in 1935 the office was abolished. Under the above statutory scheme, property had not actually been confiscated but merely "frozen" for return or other use upon termination of hostilities.

A similar approach was taken during World War II, when Congress amended the original Trading with the Enemy Act and reestablished the Office of the Alien Property Custodian. Enemy property worth millions of dollars was frozen once again. After the war, Congress enacted the War Claims acts of 1948 and 1962, under which German and Japanese property held in trust by the United States was vested and used to satisfy in part the war claims of U.S. citizens. Using the former enemy property in this fashion did not constitute confiscation, since it was done pursuant to the Potsdam Agreement of 1945 and the Paris Reparation Agreement of 1946, with respect to Germany, and pursuant to the Treaty of Peace of 8 September 1951, with respect to Japan.

More at https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures
-and-press-releases/confiscation-property

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:46 PM

Have fun cheerleading your war idiots.

The rest of us have shit to do today.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:11 PM

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 7:00 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

YouTube video: Mariupol is BACK !!!!!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - ~~William Blake~~ Signym

The first half dozen comments on YouTube (translated from Russian by google https://tinyurl.com/ykpv63jv ):

1. Finally comes to life! The heart rejoices! All the days of the bombing, I was mentally with Mariupol and constantly cried. Now there is reason to rejoice! Will live!

2. Grisha, how wonderful that you are in Mariupol now. Please, more videos about the life of the inhabitants of Mariupol and in general in the city. Take a video and show everything. It is very important.

3. Laundry is being dried. Like a victory flag. For if people again care about cleanliness, then they hope that the worst is already behind them. If you started washing, then water has returned, and water is life! Life is clean!
More of these flags on the houses of Mariupol!

4. Salute to Russian soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation and restoration of peace in Mariupol. God bless their families.

5. Hi Grigory, thanks for the video, it's very good that you show that life in Mariupol is getting better!

6. I really want people to move into renovated or new houses as soon as possible. Let Mariupol be reborn like a phoenix and become better than it was

Signym, the disinformation machine (directed at Russians) is working overtime to produce "comments".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Have fun cheerleading your war idiots.

The rest of us have shit to do today.

6ix, you are unmarried, unemployed and have no responsibilities. You have no pets, no children, no hobbies, no church, no clubs, no garden, nothing. What you do with your 24/7 free time neither subracts nor adds value to the world and we all know it. Not even your comments have a value other than zero. Being weightless has gotten to be habitual with you. Meanwhile --

Kremlin says US "adds fuel to fire" by supplying weapons to Kyiv

The US is "adding fuel to the fire" by supplying weapons to Kyiv, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Wednesday in response to President Joe Biden’s decision to provide more advanced missile systems to Ukraine.

"We believe that the United States is purposefully and diligently adding fuel to the fire," Peskov told reporters on a regular conference call.

The Ukrainian authorities have long asked the United States to supply high-tech, medium-range rocket systems. Biden said Tuesday the US is providing Ukraine "more advanced rocket systems and munitions" as its war with Russia grinds on.

"Such supplies do not contribute to the Ukrainian leadership’s willingness to resume peace negotiations,” Peskov said.

Peskov also added the Kremlin does not trust Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's words that Kyiv would not use multiple launch rocket systems to attack the Russian territory if they receive them from the US. So Russians are calling Ukrainians liars. But Russians call everybody liars. Such odd behavior from Russians.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-01-22/
h_af765d6f84c2e6bcb8830a536c2f08b5

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 10:10 PM

Germany will send its "most modern air defense system," the IRIS-T, to Ukraine, the country's chancellor said Wednesday.

"In the coming weeks, we will supply further weapons, for example, the German government has recently decided that we will supply the IRIS-T system, the most modern air defense system that Germany has," Olaf Scholz said during a speech in the German Parliament.

"This will enable Ukraine to protect an entire city from Russian air attacks," he said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/1/germany-to-send-kyiv-anti-airc
raft-missiles-radar-systems

IRIS-T
https://pafsymposium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DIEHL__brochure_co
mpressed.pdf
IRIS-T SLS Mk III Wide range of targets:
Fighter aircraft
Attack helicopters
Anti-radiation missiles (ARMs)
Cruise Missiles
Guided bombs
Drones
Large caliber rockets

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 1, 2022 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

YouTube video: Mariupol is BACK !!!!!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - ~~William Blake~~ Signym

The first half dozen comments on YouTube (translated from Russian by google https://tinyurl.com/ykpv63jv ):

1. Finally comes to life! The heart rejoices! All the days of the bombing, I was mentally with Mariupol and constantly cried. Now there is reason to rejoice! Will live!

2. Grisha, how wonderful that you are in Mariupol now. Please, more videos about the life of the inhabitants of Mariupol and in general in the city. Take a video and show everything. It is very important.

3. Laundry is being dried. Like a victory flag. For if people again care about cleanliness, then they hope that the worst is already behind them. If you started washing, then water has returned, and water is life! Life is clean!
More of these flags on the houses of Mariupol!

4. Salute to Russian soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation and restoration of peace in Mariupol. God bless their families.

5. Hi Grigory, thanks for the video, it's very good that you show that life in Mariupol is getting better!

6. I really want people to move into renovated or new houses as soon as possible. Let Mariupol be reborn like a phoenix and become better than it was

Signym, the disinformation machine (directed at Russians) is working overtime to produce "comments".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

There are on-the-street videos with interviews by Patrick Lancaster https ://m.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos which show that the people of Mariupol did NOT support the Kiev Army. One person said "We voted for secession and got something else". Mariupol was an occupied city... occupied by Kiev.
Look them up.

Odessa is similar. People there remember the Trades Union building fire, where Nazis burned a number of people to death. They still lay flowers at the site.

Crimeans are, by and large, pretty happy with their being part of Russia, despite the fact that Kiev shut off the water supply (a war crime) years ago.

And don't forget that part of the fighting force in Ukraine is from the Donetsk People's Republic and and Lugansk People's Republic.

As I posted in 2014 there was a substantial minority ... roughly 30%... of the population in Ukraine that did NOT support the coup. Kiev (supported by pro-Nazi security forces) made the division worse by attempting to outlaw Russian (which the minority spoke), beating up Russian-speaking people, and then warring against eastern Ukraine, shelling civilian centers since 2015.

Many - altho certainly not all - see Russia as a liberator, not an occupier. Kiev, in conjunction with the USA, created this split when there didn't need to be one. I suspect Russia's aim will be to take eastern and southern Ukraine ... where the people see them as liberators... and force the rest of Ukraine to surrender by beating them to bloody pulp.

AFA advanced weapons coming into Ukraine ... well, they have to come in from SOMEWHERE. Most likely Poland. If Poland isn't careful it, too, will be targeted with hypersonic missiles. Certainly the Ukraine-Polish border will be targeted. Biden* says he's not looking for a direct Russia-NATO conflict, but he's doing everything to ensure that it happens.

I'm sure Russia's missile-factories are working 24/7 to build up stockpiles and they're preparing for just such a scenario.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

There are on-the-street videos with interviews by Patrick Sullivan which show that the people of Mariupol did NOT support the Kiev Army. One person said "We voted for secession and got something else". Mariupol was an occupied city... occupied by Kiev.
Look them up.

Odessa is similar. People there remember the Trades Union building fire, where Nazis burned a number of people to death. They still lay flowers at the site.

Crimeans are, by and large, pretty happy with their being part of Russia, despite the fact that Kiev shut off the water supply (a war crime) years ago.

And don't forget that part of the fighting force in Ukraine is from the Donetsk People's Republic and and Lugansk People's Republic.

As I posted in 2014 there was a substantial minority ... roughly 30%... of the population in Ukraine that did NOT support the coup. Kiev made the situation even worse by attempting to outlaw Russian (which those people spoke), beating up Russian-speaking people, and then warring against eastern Ukraine. Kiev created a civil war when there didn't have to be one.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - ~~William Blake~~ Signym

I know perfectly well what you are doing, Signym. Russia combines Soviet-era “whataboutism” and Chekist “active measures” with a wised-up, postmodern smirk that says that everything is a sham. Where the Soviets once co-opted and repurposed concepts such as “democracy,” “human rights” and “sovereignty” to mask their opposites, the Putinists use them playfully to suggest that not even the West really believes in them — all liberalism is cant, and anyone can be bought.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two