Why is Russia losing so much military equipment?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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SIGNY: The whole topic appears to be a fact-free zone.


CAPON: I keep giving you the opportunity to correct what many consider

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A billion flies eat shit.

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FACTUAL, but you keep running away. It's more of a Signym-free zone than anything else.

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Your topic was (may I remind you) "why is Russia losing SO MUCH military equipment?"

The you spend most of the rest of your post discussing almost anything but.
HOW MUCH is "so much"?
HOW MANY tanks, armored personnel carriers, rocket launchers, artillery, etc has Russian lost?

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The following are what many sources - outside of the combatants directly involved and their biases - consider to be observably true. I've numbered them for your convenience. Please consider the number keeps growing.

Which ones do you consider false and why?

1. - Putin misjudged how his invasion would only unite "Ukies" and motivate them to fight back and embarras the Russian *army.

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How do you know this? Have you been sitting in on Russia's Seurity Council meetings? How does this describe "HOW MUCH" military equipment has been lost? Where are the numbers?

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2. - Putin couldn't take Kyiv in 7 days despite his (anemic, train wreck) of a bull rush to do so. If it was a feint it was the most costly, dumbest feint in military history. In fact, ANY attempt to explain it as a "plan" makes it look even worse. "He meant to do that??"

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Same as above

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3. - Russian military used insecure communications - "Hello, Dimitri? I am sitting here with the Z 48 battalion waiting for you... I am at the following coordinates..." boom.

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You can see the secure comms antenna on Russian equiment. Plus, it is the policy of the Russian MoD to take soldiers' cellphones away, which is why you see so few Russian-sourced videos online. If this happens IT IS RARE.
Plus, how does this provide a number for HOW MUCH military equipment?

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4. - Putin keeps losing generals.

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Only one.

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Which General?

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HOW MUCH military equipment?

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10. - Russia loses their Prized ship to a country without a nvy.

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Ah, one ship. It was not "prized". It was due for decomissioning back in the 1990s.

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14. - Putin miscalculated how many young Russian soldiers would die.

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HOW MANY soldiers died?
HOW MUCH military equipment?


You have not established as FACT that Russia is losing an extraordinary amount of equioment. Your thread is based on an ASSUMPTION.

And because it's based on an assumption, nearly all of your statements are irrelevant to your topic.
They're also mostly flat-out wrong and/or evidence-free. But a discussion of how wrong they are doesn't belong in this thread bc it's off-topic.

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Major General Andrei Sukhovetsky, Deputy Commander of the 41st Combined Arms Army of the Russian Ground Forces
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150554-russian_general/

High-ranking military commanders HAVE been killed in Ukraine, but they were not at the rank considered to be equivalent to US military general. Some were at the rank equivalent to brigadier, which is kind of a gray area between colonel and general. Others at the rank of colonel.

Russian military puts commanders at the front line.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Major General Andrei Sukhovetsky, Deputy Commander of the 41st Combined Arms Army of the Russian Ground Forces
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150554-russian_general/

High-ranking military commanders HAVE been killed in Ukraine, but they were not at the rank considered to be equivalent to US military general. Some were at the rank equivalent to brigadier, which is kind of a gray area between colonel and general. Others at the rank of colonel.

Russian military puts commanders at the front line.

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You mean, like, Brigadier General, like, fer sure?

Most folks comprehend that GENERALS are included in the ranks of General Officers, Admirals. Like Brigadier GENERAL, Major GENERAL, Lieutenant GENERAL, Field GENERAL, for example.

Enlighten us, praytell, how Generals are a gray area between Colonel/Captain and General/Admiral.

Even your admitted example is merely a Major General, only one rank and only one Star above Brigadier General. Still a rank and a Star below Lieutenant General (3 Stars). As well as 2 ranks and 2 Stars below 4 Star Generals.

Why do you not claim Major Generals are a gray area between Majors and Generals?


For those perusing and unsure of military rank in U.S. (pay grade, non-Naval rank, Naval Rank, insignia):

Commissioned (by Congress) Officers
O-1 2nd Lieutenant, Ensign (Gold Bar)
O-2 1st Lieutenant, Lieutenant Junior Grade (Silver Bar)
O-3 Captain, Lieutenant (Twin Silver Bars)

Field Grade Officers
O-4 Major, Lieutenant Commander (Gold Oak Leaf Cluster)
O-5 Lieutenant Colonel, Commander (Silver Oak Leaf Cluster)
O-6 Colonel, Captain (Silver Eagle)

General Officers, Flag Officers
O-7 Brigadier General, Rear Admiral Lower Half (1 Star)
O-8 Major General, Rear Admiral Upper Half (2 Stars)
O-9 Lieutenant General, Vice Admiral (3 Stars)
O-10 General, Admiral (4 Stars)
O-11 Field General, Fleet Admiral (5 Stars)

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Brigadiers command a brigade. In some militaries they aren't considered generals, in other militaries they are. Quoting American military ranks is not helpful.

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What is the difference between brigadier and general


As nouns the difference between brigadier and general is that brigadier is (military) an army rank; an officer commanding a brigade while general is commander of an army.

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https://wikidiff.com/brigadier/general


Since Russia only recognizes the death of one general, I assumed they don't consider brigadiers to be in the "general" rank. Or maybe they're just word-smithing to minimize their losses. But I DID look up the difference between brigadier and general to try to understand the discrepancy between western and Russian reporting.

Like I posted, other high-ranking officers HAVE been killed. Brigadiers (or brigadier generals) and colonels for sure.

But thanks for the explanation of the American military ranking system.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Major General Andrei Sukhovetsky, Deputy Commander of the 41st Combined Arms Army of the Russian Ground Forces
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150554-russian_general/

High-ranking military commanders HAVE been killed in Ukraine, but they were not at the rank considered to be equivalent to US military general. Some were at the rank equivalent to brigadier, which is kind of a gray area between colonel and general. Others at the rank of colonel.

Russian military puts commanders at the front line.

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Oh, so sorry to have quoted American military rank structure, being not helpful.

Could you please enlighten us as to which United States military is not based in America?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Brigadiers command a brigade. In some militaries they aren't considered generals, in other militaries they are. Quoting American military ranks is not helpful.

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What is the difference between brigadier and general

As nouns the difference between brigadier and general is that brigadier is (military) an army rank; an officer commanding a brigade while general is commander of an army.

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https://wikidiff.com/brigadier/general

Since Russia only recognizes the death of one general, I assumed they don't consider brigadiers to be in the "general" rank. Or maybe they're just word-smithing to minimize their losses. But I DID look up the difference between brigadier and general to try to understand the discrepancy between western and Russian reporting.

Like I posted, other high-ranking officers HAVE been killed. Brigadiers (or brigadier generals) and colonels for sure.

But thanks for the explanation of the American military ranking system.

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Quoted for context.

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You missed the point.

If we were talking about ANERICAN commander deaths we would be referring to AMERICAN military ranks. But we are talking about RUSSIAN commander deaths and therefore RUSSIAN military ranks, are we not? They don't organize their military like we do. Different ranks may go by same names but have different levels of responsibility and authority.

I'm not familiar with which Russian rankings may be equivalent to what American rankings. Possibly there are no exact analogs. So I'm going with how the Russians report it.

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OK. So, equivalent to United States military, not so much.

Wikipedia has a list of equivalents, not sure of accuracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_ranks_and_insignia_of_the_Russian_F
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Among General Officer ranks, they have a Marshal, which seems to be highest rank. Their Major Generals are 1 Stars, equivalent to Brigadier General in US Army, Marines, Air Force. Total of 5 ranks of Generals in Russia.

They apparently have no rank named brigadier.

They have 4 ranks of Field Grade Officer, compared to 3 in most developed nation military.

Still have 3 ranks of Junior Officers.

For General Officers, 5 Stars in America used to be reserved for Wartime only, Fleet Admirals and Field Generals. After Clinton subverted American military commands to be ruled by any 2-bit Banana Republic, some 5 Stars would be made so that we had somebody who outranked the clowns who were handed extra Stars in their cereal boxes.

Anyhow, U.S. normally has 4 ranks of Generals. Not sure how often Russia populates their Marshal rank - they haven't had a World War in almost 8 decades.

I mention this in case you are interested in how bloated their Officer ranks are - 11 or 12 in Russia versus 10 peacetime in America.
They seem to have "Enlisted" rank of 8 including 2 Warrant Officer ranks. While U.S. has had 9 Enlisted ranks plus 4 Warrant Officer ranks (still considered Enlisted) for 13 total.

You may wish to check the Commissioned Officer/Enlisted ratio of different U.S. branches (Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy) and use that to compare to Russia military.

ETA: I took a look at U.S.
1 Officer per 4.6 Enlisted across all U.S. branches.
1 Officer per 4.1 Enlisted in Air Force (2018). About 1:3 in 2010.

1 Officer per 7.8 Enlisted in Marine Corps (2017). About 1:10 in 2010, 1:30 in the field.

Jeez, the rest is hard to find.

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