Why is Russia losing so much military equipment?
POSTED BY: captaincrunch
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Then, according to you, there are no facts to discuss.
In reality, I think the Russian MoD tends to provide pretty reliable figures for Ukrainian equipment destroyed, and estimates of numbers of Ukrainian soldiers killed. They don't lie or exaggerate (much) about their progress. Where they DO lie is by omission. They don't provide a list of THEIR equipment destroyed, only grudgingly admit a setback, and when they provide numbers of soldiers killed I'm sure that it's only confirmed dead of soldiers under Russian MoD command. They probably don't include MIA/presumed dead, may not include Chechen dead, would not include any mercs not under MoD command, and definitely don't include DPR/LPR losses.
OTOH the figures that Kiev provides are probably bloated to the point of ridiculousness since they have often lied about/exaggerated their progress so far.
AFA WWII is concerned, there ARE estimates available of #of troops commmitted and killed (on both sides, Russian and Nazi) as equipment lost. I frankly don't feel like doing the research to find those estamates, I've only heard them referred to glancingly when evaluating Kiev's claims.
But then, I'm not the one claiming to know how much equipment the Russians have lost.
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I know I should let this thread [die the death it so richly deserves] but I wanted to address this point:
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SIGNY:
... and couldn't give a shit about [Ukraine]...
CAPON: I think this part you are actually, sadly, pretty close on. Some people can't see beyond their front door.
What is the #1 job of the American President? Isn't it to promote the well-being of America, the nation, and of Americans, it's ctizens?
Not to
Provide a relief valve for corrupt Central and South American regimes (which we support) or to
Engage in feckless wars of destruction with other nuclear superpowers or to
Knock over smaller governments like bowling pins in endless "regime change" operations or to
Engage in grudge matches with other world leaders.
Where does the war in Ukraine benefit US? Couldn't WE use $40 billion to start repairing our infrastructure and re-industrializing the USA, as a matter of national security?
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Quote:Signym, it is NEVER an either/or choice. Congress can do both. Congress decides, not the President. If Congress wants another $40 billion for infrastructure, then it will pass a bill:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I know I should let this thread duecthecdearhbit so richly deserves but I wanted to address this point:Quote:
SIGNY:
... and couldn't give a shit about [Ukraine]...
CAPON: I think this part you are actually, sadly, pretty close on. Some people can't see beyond their front door.
What is the #1 job of the American President? Isn't it to promote the well-being of America, the nation, and of Americans, it's ctizens?
Not to
Provide a relief valve for corrupt Central and South American regimes (which we support) or to
Engage in feckless wars of destruction with other nuclear superpowers or to
Knock over smaller governments like bowling pins in endless "regime change" operations or to
Engage in grudge matches with other world leaders.
Where does the war in Ukraine benefit US? Couldn't WE use $40 billion to start repairing our infrastructure and re-industrializing the USA, as a matter of national security?
1) Nov 2021 - Congress has passed a $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill. The final vote was 228-206. Only thirteen Republicans voted with the majority of Democrats in support of the bill.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/politics/house-votes-infrastructure-bui
ld-back-better/index.html
2) May 2022 - In a show of broad bipartisan support, the Senate on Thursday passed legislation providing another $39.8 billion to help Ukraine. 86 Senators voted for and 11 voted against, after the measure cleared the House with overwhelming backing from members of both parties last week. All 11 senators who opposed the latest aid package are Republicans.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-vote-ukraine-aid-bill/
How would Congress get the USA out of Ukraine? Same way Congress got the USA out of Vietnam:
In 1975, Congress refused President Gerald Ford's last-minute request to increase aid to South Vietnam by $300 million, just weeks before it fell to communist control. Few legislators had taken the request seriously; many conservative Republicans and hawkish Democrats agreed by then that Vietnam was lost and that the expenditure would have been a waste. Nor did Congress restrict its actions to Southeast Asia. Congress passed an amendment in 1976 that banned the use of funds to fight communist forces in Angola.
https://prospect.org/features/congress-got-us-vietnam/
If Congress has a coherent policy, Congress gets the policy it wants. If Congress is incoherent, the President gets the policy he wants. That is how the US government has always worked for hundreds of years.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:How many tanks, personnel carriers, howitzers, and other armored vehicles did the Russians lose? What percent of committed equipment does that represent?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
The whole topic appears to be a fact-free zone.
I keep giving you the opportunity to correct what many consider FACTUAL, but you keep running away. It's more of a Signym-free zone than anything else.
The following are what many sources - outside of the combatants directly involved and their biases - consider to be observably true. I've numbered them for your convenience. Please consider the number keeps growing.
Which ones do you consider false and why?
1. - Putin misjudged how his invasion would only unite "Ukies" and motivate them to fight back and embarras the Russian *army.
2. - Putin couldn't take Kyiv in 7 days despite his (anemic, train wreck) of a bull rush to do so. If it was a feint it was the most costly, dumbest feint in military history. In fact, ANY attempt to explain it as a "plan" makes it look even worse. "He meant to do that??"
3. - Russian military used insecure communications - "Hello, Dimitri? I am sitting here with the Z 48 battalion waiting for you... I am at the following coordinates..." boom.
4. - Putin keeps losing generals.
5. - Putin has united the West and the EU and NATO.
6. - Putin completely misjudged Finland and Sweden. Both are applying to join NATO, Putin's nightmare.
7. - Putin's own "G7" he has only one ally, Belarus, who have yet to join the fight. No ally really.
8. - Putin completely misjudged how many companies would leave Russia. ANY attempt to say that it was a plan makes it look even worse.
9. - Russian army failed to use proper logistics. 40 mile traffic jam/ cluster-fck.
10. - Russia loses their Prized ship to a country without a nvy.
11. - Putin has motivated many of the most educated Russians to leave the country - brain drain just like Stalin.
12. - Putin has caused long term damage to Russia's economy
13. - Putin has caused long term damage to Russia's world standing.
14. - Putin miscalculated how many young Russian soldiers would die.
15. - Russia failed to take out Ukraine air defense system.
16. - Putin has motivated some of Russia's largest oil and gas customers to find alternative suppliers, and - maybe most significantly - to accelerate their alternative energy programs (thanks Putin!).
17. - Putin is even losing the spin war. Except of course with his own state run tv brain washed and threatened citizens who face jail time for speaking the Truth.
18. - Putin misjudges just how much Russia is hated around the globe.
19. - Russian army failed to prepare their troops for what their real "operation" was.
If this reality/evidence of Putin's major fck up is wrong as you suggest, then it should be easy for you to show how they're wrong... right?
Also, for comparison, how much similar equipment has Ukraine lost? What percent of committed equipment does THAT represent?
How does that compare to similar land wars? (I guess the closest comparison would be WWII).
Can we get reliable numbers? Bc you have not established the FACTS, you have only posted statements.
Which number was that answer to? Any? Wait, NONE of them? You can't refute ANY of them??
So you find all 19 FACTUAL, then. At least we agree on what a considerable failure this has been so far for Putin
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I know I should let this thread duecthecdearhbit so richly deserves but I wanted to address this point:
duecthecdearhbit ?
Decoded: ZIGNYM: "I'm embarrassing the sht out of myself, better beat cheeks and get out of this thread!"
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Why are you guys so worried about Russia invading Ukraine when Biden* is trying to just give up American sovereignty to the WHO?
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Me: "Remember Covid?"
Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"
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Quote:You are on the same side as the Republicans who voted to not pass H.R.7691 - Additional Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2022.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why are you guys so worried about Russia invading Ukraine when Biden* is trying to just give up American sovereignty to the WHO?
The names of everybody who voted are here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7691/all-actio
ns
My Representative, Brian Babin, and about 100 of his most recent votes: https://clerk.house.gov/members/B001291
It is no wonder these Representatives are dizzy and confused. There are too many votes every day on trivial issues. It is unsurprising when the decisions made in that messy bureaucracy of Congress are silly. Who designed the details of this dumb arrangement to pass laws and make decisions? Somebody who has been dead for 100 years and has been memorialized by a marble statue in a dusty corner of the Capitol Building.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Why are you guys so worried about Russia invading Ukraine when Biden* is trying to just give up American sovereignty to the WHO?
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Me: "Remember Covid?"
Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"
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Your blind partisanship is going to see you and everyone you care about locked up in a cage.
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Quote:
SIGNY:I know I should let this thread [die the death it] so richly deserves but I wanted to address this point:Quote:
SIGNY:
... and couldn't give a shit about [Ukraine]...
CAPON: I think this part you are actually, sadly, pretty close on. Some people can't see beyond their front door.
What is the #1 job of the American President? Isn't it to promote the well-being of America, the nation, and of Americans, it's ctizens?
Not to
Provide a relief valve for corrupt Central and South American regimes (which we support) or to
Engage in feckless wars of destruction with other nuclear superpowers or to
Knock over smaller governments like bowling pins in endless "regime change" operations or to
Engage in grudge matches with other world leaders.
Where does the war in Ukraine benefit US? Couldn't WE use $40 billion to start repairing our infrastructure and re-industrializing the USA, as a matter of national security?
SECOND: Signym, it is NEVER an either/or choice. Congress can do both. Congress decides, not the President. If Congress wants another $40 billion for infrastructure, then it will pass a bill:
WHY DO "BOTH"?
The job of the President ... AND CONGRESS... is to protect American security and American interests. Many of our Founding Fathers did NOT want America to engage in "foreign entanglements" or join alliances bc they feared American would be drawn into other nations' wars.
I can see protecting Amerian embassies. I can see protecting American ships against piracy in international waters. I'm not sure I can see America protecting corporate investments/assets abroad. If you invest in oil wells or refineries or mines or plantations or factories abroad, in an unstable government in a nation of impoverished resentful people .... Shouldn't they take that into account? Isn't "capitalism" all about TAKING RISK? Shouldn't they ingratiate themselves to the local population? Don't they have money for security? If revolution occurs and the (new) foreign government nationalizes foreign assets ... well, our government has all kinds of legal and financial remedies in government-to-government or government-to-international agency (WTO, BIS etc) or government-to-currency/trade setting.
BTW,it is THE JOB of the President to set foreign policy. That's something Congress CAN'T do.
The last time the President and Congress tried to do both was Vietnam under Johnson. All that war and Great Society spending did was set off double-digit inflation (gee, sound faniliar?) which Nixon tackled with wage-price controls and The Fed tackled with high interest rates.Inflation eventually COLLAPSED the BRETTON-WOODS agreement, took the dollar off the gold standard, and caused the creation of the petro-dollar in place of Bretton-Woods.
What will all of that wartime and Covid-relief spending do NOW? Cause eventual de-dollarization? Collapse the petrodollar? Hell, if we can't make money-printer go brrrrrr to buy shit from abroad, and we no longer make it here ...
How does that help AMERICAN SECURITY?
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