Legalizing Pedophilia

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RUE

Friday, June 9, 2006 1:49 AM

I've always believed that rape and child abuse should have a 'two-strikes' rule. In it, one conviction on one count gets a 'normal' sentence. Anything beyond that and you go to jail for life.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

MAMASAID

Friday, June 9, 2006 2:06 AM

Simon, I don't believe I follow your connection between freedom of speech and rape legislation. The lack of dialogue on child abuse legislation is a self imposed one.

SASSALICIOUS

Friday, June 9, 2006 4:01 AM

What you said brings me to an interesting sort of tie-in.

There's a case in WI right now. This man was found guilty of a rape he didn't commit. There were 16 different people supporting his alibi and whatever. Maybe he was somehow involved in the crime, but the point is he didn't rape her. He went to jail for 18 years. He got out a few years ago because DNA evidence exonerated him. What happened afterward?

In October, a twentysomething woman goes missing. Last seen on this man's property. He's instantly the suspect. Turns out he did it. The man's 16 year old nephew ratted him out a few months later. The both raped her and killed her, but it was spur of the moment. Just last week the 16 yr olds story has now changed to it was an elaborately laid plan between the two of them to abduct her, rape her, and then kill her.

I can't remember the man's prior history, but this case is causing all kinds of legal drama. Some people are even citing it as a reason to bring back the death penalty, which I don't get.

To me a rape is a rape. It shouldn't matter if the victim was a child or an old woman, wearing revealing clothes or a burqua, drunk or sober, developmentally disabled or not, married to the perpetrator or not. Go to jail, serve your time, enter yourself into the sexual offenders database, and if you do it again be removed from society forever. Nonconsensual sex is nonconsensual sex. Speaking of spousal rape, it's harder to get recognized and when it does, I think it usually falls under "abuse". When it comes to consensual sex, I will admit, the line can be fuzzy when say a 14 year old is dating a senior in high school OR the younger person hit puberty fast and then lied about his or her age, but I don't have a solution for that. I guess the best thing I could say is that parents should talk to their children and know their children, and teach them to handle situations that may arise so that the person can confidently say "yes" or "no" and have it hopefully be the right choice for them.

Things like this can slowly get really complicated. We should all go from being prepubescent to fully developed adults (with an adult mental capacity as well) overnight. 12 to 18. It would be so much easier.

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 9, 2006 1:41 PM

Yes, there are places where the issue gets murky, I for one don't think an 18yr old dating a 17yr old is a matter for anyone but the parents of the two, myself - but when has common sense ever been common ?

Actually, grey areas are why we have (supposedly) impartial judges, and why we have juries - it offends the everlivin hell out of me that judges are not *allowed* to do their job because they are threatened so often for doing their job, which is many cases is deciding what of the possible sentences to hand down... conversely, some judges have misused this to hand out ridiculously light sentances to predators which result in them not being removed from a society they are a proven, clear danger to.

Such grey areas are also why we have juries, and over time unfortunately this basic check and balance has been corrupted into a rubber stamp for the judges decision, as jurors these days are regularly charged with contempt, fined, or threatened, for doing their civic duty as a juror, instead of blind obediance to the more or less illegal instructions of a judge.

The Judge/Jury/Trial system is a needful check and balance against such grey areas being exploited by the wicked, or used in a ridiculous manner, and as a check and balance against bad and/or stupid laws, that's WHY it exists.

Not only to decide if the law was violated, but also to decide if the act in question was illegal at all, or if the law is being misused or misconstrued....

The fact that we *need* something like FIJA is deeply and profoundly offensive to me, because it means a vital part of our justice system has been corrupted, and without all the needful parts it will not work correctly, any more than an engine would, if you removed or damaged several critical parts.

It's bad enough that we allow prosecutors to routinely violate discovery, disallow evidence that doesn't fit the desired outcome of the trial, block and/or bar witnesses that don't support the outcome the prosecutor would like...

But to then demand jurors do what the judge tells them in clear defiance of the intent of the whole process ?

If we remove the check and balance of a jury, why have a trial at all ?

Fix THIS problem, allow justice back into our justice system, and the grey area issues will prettymuch solve themselves, you see.

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RHODRI

Monday, June 12, 2006 1:16 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
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Originally posted by Rhodri:
OK then, I was generalising but here goes.

Let's start with the British National Party! For years they've been spouting their racist ideals with impunity in the UK. As a political party they were entitled to voice their rhetoric until our Government recently passed legislation making it an offence to encourage racial hatred. They still exist as a valid political party but are now unable to publicly campaign on a racist agenda.

I've not been able to find the source, but I know of a law passed in France or the Benelux countries similar to that mentioned in the thread BECAUSE NOBODY VOTED AGAINST IT as it was a pre-posterous idea...Apathy kills people.

Human Rights...seems to me that we've screwed this one up big time!
For the vast majority of us in "Western civilisation" Human Rights issues appear to concentrate on the rights of Convicted felons! More and more we hear of the inmates' rights to this and that, but what of the rights of the victims and their families. Now I'm not saying we should abandon Human Rights, but I think we need to seriously consider its application.
Tell me Simon, that I am wrong to revile a local man who sexually abused 3 of his children, a man who pleaded guilty only because my wife and I were testifying against him. A man who served three 36 month sentences for his crimes because in the eyes of the law they were minors, and as such cannot be victims of rape! I am not allowed by law to identify this pervert to my community because it is in breach of his Human Rights!

I could go on but I'm foaming at the mouth with bitter bile.

If we're not careful then stupid laws do get passed.

I'm confused. You seem to be speaking out against free speech when used by paedophiles and yet for it when racists want to use it. And the law you mention that targetted racial hatred failed the acid test when BNP members caught on camera effectively calling for any non-white to be thrown out of England still weren't convicted for race hates crimes.

Personally I think the sentences for a lot of crimes are too light, including sexual abuse, rape and murder but that doesn't change the fact that child abuse is a different thing than rape and you get charged with specific offences in court.

And there's some law in some country that allows something but you can't find a reference. Not that much of an argument, is it?

As for not being able to identify child molesters, sadly there has been proof in this country that the masses are imbeciles and to provide information like this is a) an invitation to mob rule and b) likely to lead to the deaths of innocent people in cases of mistaken identity.

Are you really prepared to put justice into the hands of those who attacked the office of a pediatrician?

Simonwho...i'm not looking for, or making, an argument...if i want to debate Politics i'll do so in the correct forum, but i will clarify some of your confusion...

1, I am not promoting free speach for racists- i was highlighting the fact that they were able to use the law to promote their ideologies.
I beleive in the right to free speech, but am wary that certain parties abuse that right to promote ideas we find repugnant, i.e. paedophilia and racial hatred.

2, BNP on camera - Nothing to do with me! The law exists, whether it is enforced is another issue beyond my influence. Whites inciting hatred of non-whites is as bad as British-born Muslims declaring Jihad on white Britons!

3, Child abuse is different to rape?! A man forcing sexual intercourse on a woman or another man is rape! The same man performs the same act on his 3 kids and it is downgraded to "indecent assault" because they are minors! The law is an ass. But again it's beyond my influence.

4, The mysterious legislation...If i cared enough I'd go looking for it, but I don't. I have other things to waste my time on. If I ever find reference to it I'll be sure to let you know with the deserving priority.

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SIMONWHO

Monday, June 12, 2006 6:17 PM

Oh, so free speech should be curtailed when you (or someone else) finds it "repugnant". So if I were to advocate, say, gay marriage, would that be allowed by you? Or even the legalisation of homosexuality, would you tolerate me saying I'm for that? Or that black people shouldn't be enslaved or is that repugnant to you also?

Child abuse is different to rape. For one thing, it is easier to prove - there is no question that a 5 year old could consent to sex. I certainly wouldn't consider it a lesser offence, indeed I could well argue it a worse offence, hence why it is important they are distinguished from each other.

>> "his identity could not be mistaken!"

"Don't worry, it's not loaded!", "I've done this a thousand times, it's perfectly safe!", "This'll be the best Christmas that Walford's ever known!".

My point about this thread was that the news story was an attempt to smear another country, done in a manner that allows readers to feel morally superior about their own. Certainly given the pathetic sentence a paedophile just received for raping a child while on parole, there's no cause for complancy in the UK.

RHODRI

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:41 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Oh, so free speech should be curtailed when you (or someone else) finds it "repugnant". So if I were to advocate, say, gay marriage, would that be allowed by you? Or even the legalisation of homosexuality, would you tolerate me saying I'm for that? Or that black people shouldn't be enslaved or is that repugnant to you also?

Child abuse is different to rape. For one thing, it is easier to prove - there is no question that a 5 year old could consent to sex. I certainly wouldn't consider it a lesser offence, indeed I could well argue it a worse offence, hence why it is important they are distinguished from each other.

>> "his identity could not be mistaken!"

"Don't worry, it's not loaded!", "I've done this a thousand times, it's perfectly safe!", "This'll be the best Christmas that Walford's ever known!".

My point about this thread was that the news story was an attempt to smear another country, done in a manner that allows readers to feel morally superior about their own. Certainly given the pathetic sentence a paedophile just received for raping a child while on parole, there's no cause for complancy in the UK.

Hell yes, gay marriage is an acheivement to be welcomed. At last thousands if not millions of couples now have greater legal rights. Surprised?

What makes you think only black people were enslaved? All slavery should be stopped, but i'm not so naive to think that those still actively dealing in it are easily stopped.

I am disgusted that those sentenced for raping children are given less severe punishment than for raping an adult. Hardly something to feel morally superior about is it? In fact there's very little about the UK right now to feel morrally superior about!

And i could have sworn that i too stated that we shouldn't become complacent?

Simon, I beleive we're both on the same side of the discussion but have been blinded by the argument.

SIMONWHO

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:00 PM

I think pretty much everyone is on the same side of the argument but I think this news story is a distasteful spin to make ourselves look better when really we should be taking a harder line.

If you reoffend in murder, rape or paedophilia cases, that's it. You spend the rest of your life in prison. No parole. No day trips. No fact finding studies. You're done. If you repent and reform, great but you're still staying in prison.

How can someone rehabilitate into society if society could not want them as part of it?

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:

If you reoffend in murder, rape or paedophilia cases, that's it. You spend the rest of your life in prison. No parole. No day trips. No fact finding studies. You're done. If you repent and reform, great but you're still staying in prison.

How can someone rehabilitate into society if society could not want them as part of it?

How does a prison sentence punish a rapist, when over 700,000 rapes are perped in US prisons every year? US prisons make zero attempt at rehab, but do a great job driving prisoners insane, to perp again upon parole, which is the dream of any Police State. Each prisoner costs US taxpayers over $50,000/year. That's why US cops arrest 100-million US citizens every year, and Uncle Scam gulags more citizens than all other nations combined.

In USA, the average sentence for murder is 18 months. I worked as a citizen informant in a murder case of a kidnapping drug-dealing serial-killin mass-murdering bisexual rapist hitman employed by DIA/CIA (the Bush/Clinton-Blythe White House) as a "confidential informant" with a false passport to Columbia. He was sentenced to a max two years in his first murder conviction. His second murder conviction he served 5 years, and was released 3 years before his earliest parole date. Now he works in the prosecutor's office, and the prosecutor who convicted him was fired. He was never charged when found in possession of four other dead bodies at his home, and in a DUI boat crash.
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Otis Toole, the serial-killing pedophile who confessed to chopping the head off Adam Walsh was never prosecuted for that murder (son of John Walsh of America's Most Wanted TV). Toole's serial-killing pedophile cannibal partner Henry Lee Lucas was the only killer ever spared on Death Row by Governor Georgie Bush Jr.

So pedophilia has already been legalized in USA, "for (t)reasons of national security", according to Tennessee judges.
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