Putin's Russia

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OLDENGLANDDRY

Monday, July 17, 2006 8:31 PM

O.K. So the G8 are in St Petersberg for a frindly chat, but what does everyone think about the state of the former U.S.S.R.? particularly under Putin's leadership.
Heading for Fascism or already there?

Discuss.

AURAPTOR

Monday, July 17, 2006 8:45 PM

I've heard whispers, rumors of a dark one returned....no, wait. That was Lord of the Rings intro....

I've not really heard of any specifics to be able to offer an informed opinion.

Sorry.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

HERO

Monday, July 17, 2006 9:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
O.K. So the G8 are in St Petersberg for a frindly chat, but what does everyone think about the state of the former U.S.S.R.? particularly under Putin's leadership.
Heading for Fascism or already there?

Or maybe he his the strong leader Russia needs to cmplete the transition begun under Yeltsin.

The best way to tell is whether or not he ever gives up power. Hard to be a fascist when you lose and election and meekly retire to write your memoirs.

H

OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:50 AM

O.K.
So the topic has'nt captured the public imagination but I'm bumping it anyway.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:50 AM

Psaki declares war on Republicans accusing Biden of being 'timid' towards Putin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10627699/Psaki-declares-war-R
epublicans-accusing-Biden-timid-Putin.html

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, March 22, 2022 1:51 AM

War in Ukraine: Gordon Brown backs Nuremberg-style trial for Putin

https://www.bbc.com/news/

Trump tears in to Biden for 'playing into Putin's hands'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10601975/Trump-tears-Biden-pl
aying-Putins-hands.html

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 22, 2022 2:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Psaki declares war on Republicans accusing Biden of being 'timid' towards Putin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10627699/Psaki-declares-war-R
epublicans-accusing-Biden-timid-Putin.html

Psaki is an idiot.

Psaki has the perfect resume to replace Rachel Maddow.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, September 24, 2022 4:08 AM

Russians are protesting and fleeing the country as Putin orders a draft for Ukraine
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/23/1124678888/russia-ukraine-military-draf
t-protests-flight

FlightRadar shows Russian exodus to escape Vladimir Putin’s mass conscription
https://news.yahoo.com/flightradar-shows-russian-exodus-escape-2106166
80.html

Where are the flights leaving Russia going?
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1573052951014395906

Putin initiates conscription to bolster military invasion as Ukraine mounts counteroffensive
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/putin-initiates-conscription-bolster-militar
y-064205368.html

THG

Saturday, September 24, 2022 4:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:

O.K. So the G8 are in St Petersberg for a frindly chat, but what does everyone think about the state of the former U.S.S.R.? particularly under Putin's leadership.
Heading for Fascism or already there?

Discuss.

Already there...

T

SECOND

Friday, October 14, 2022 7:52 PM

Three theories for a mysterious string of deaths in Putin’s Russia.

It’s a rough year to be a high-profile Russian: After nearly eight months of war in Ukraine, the Russian military is reeling and on its back foot; sanctions continue to squeeze the country’s economy and elite — and at least 15 Russian businessmen and executives have died in apparent accidents or by suicide, including a number of Putin allies.

The victims range from an executive with Gazprom, a major state-owned oil company, to the managing director of a state-run development corporation. The causes of death range from unremarkable — a stroke, for example — to lurid, such as death by toad poison in a shaman’s basement.

Combined, the sheer number of deaths, as well as the prominence of the dead and a long history of suspicious demises in Putin’s Russia, have raised questions about whether something other than ordinary bad luck is at fault.

According to Stanislav Markus, an associate professor at the University of South Carolina business school and author of Property, Predation, and Protection: Piranha Capitalism in Russia and Ukraine, it’s a near certainty. “We can almost certainly rule out the official explanation of the deaths as suicides or poor health,” Markus told me via email. He’s not alone; theories vary — and generally don’t feature some grand conspiracy by the Kremlin — but a number of Russia experts see “more than just randomness” in the deaths, as Syracuse University professor Brian Taylor, who specializes in Russian politics and is the author of The Code of Putinism, put it to me in an interview.

The string of mysterious fatalities began with the death of Gazprom Invest transport director Leonid Shulman in late January; a suicide note was reportedly found near his body, and the death was investigated as such.

Another Gazprom executive, Alexander Tyulakov, died in February, also by suicide, as did Ukraine-born billionaire Mikhail Watford, who was found dead in his house in the United Kingdom.

Vasily Melnikov, the founder of the medical supplies company MedStom, was found dead in March, in a possible murder-suicide along with his wife and his two children. Another alleged murder-suicide, that of former Gazprombank executive Vladislav Avayev and his wife and teenage daughter, followed in April, just one day before former oil and gas executive Sergei Protosenya was also found dead along with his family in a third possible murder-suicide incident.

Avayev and his family were shot to death, according to news reports, while Protosenya was found hanged and his wife and daughter fatally stabbed.

Other subsequent deaths, including multiple deadly falls — down stairs, from a window, from a moving boat — have also prompted speculation, though there is no overt evidence of foul play.

Most recently, Pavel Pchelnikov, a manager with the Russian Railways subsidiary Digital Logistics, died by suicide late last month; shortly before that, on September 21, a former Russian aviation expert, Anatoly Gerashchenko, fell to his death “from a great height” and down multiple flights of stairs, according to a report in the Daily Beast citing Russian media.

Of the dead, a number have links to Gazprom and Novatek, Russia’s two largest natural gas companies; two others were affiliated with Lukoil, also a major energy company in Russia.
There are reasons to doubt the official stories

In several cases, the family and friends of the dead have already raised questions about their deaths, or rejected official conclusions of suicide.

More at https://www.vox.com/world/2022/10/14/23388516/russian-businessmen-olig
archs-putin-mysterious-deaths-windows

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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