Another Putin Disaster
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UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 22:07
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Oh, weren't you just posting that once a government changes hands, then all prior agreements are void? Or did you give up on that point?
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Democrats are able to get away with War because they can always say it's for humanitarian reasons.
Any Democrat that is pushing for war with Russia right now is just puppets for the NeoCon warmongers in Washington that are so hated by the public that they'd never get any public support for going into WWIII.
And the end of the day, who knows?
Maybe it was really Dick Cheney who was puppettering Fauci and paying the Chinese to unleash Covid so they could hand the Presidency to Joe Biden* and get the war started that they wanted back in 2017.
I mean really... What's 4 more years to them when they were able to fuck up the economy and make the plebs weaker anyhow. Just a tiny road bump.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Quote:No. You failed the comprehension test. Putin pretends he doesn't comprehend the promise Russia made to Ukraine in exchange for thousands of H-bombs. The promise, the Budapest Memorandum, is well known, but Putin keeps imagining new versions, which change every day, that only he knows about.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, weren't you just posting that once a government changes hands, then all prior agreements are void? Or did you give up on that point?
Budapest Memorandum
https://www.google.com/search?q=Budapest+Memorandum
Budapest Memorandum at 25
Abstract
On December 5, 1994, leaders of the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Russian Federation met in Budapest, Hungary, to pledge security assurances to Ukraine in connection with its accession to the Treaty on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapons state. The signature of the so-called Budapest Memorandum concluded arduous negotiations that resulted in Ukraine’s agreement to relinquish the world’s third-largest nuclear arsenal.
This is part that confuses Putin: The signatories of the memorandum pledged to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity and inviolability of its borders, and to refrain from the use or threat of military force.
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/budapest-memorandum-25-betwee
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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And YOU posted that the government that Russia signed the agreement with was not the same as the pne that appealed to the agreement, and was therfore void.
Quote:That seems to be at odds with your previous post.
Russia argues that it signed memorandum with a different government, not with this "illegitimate" one. But that, of course, does not stand to any international legal kind of criteria. You don't sign agreements with the government, you sign it with the country.
Also, let's run a thought experiment: The USA signs an agreement with Mexico having to do with apprehending and extraditing drug barons. Then there is a left-wng military coup in Mexico, which becomes overtly hostile to the USA. Do we still honor the agreement?
I take it that you will no longer use that argument? (Not that I believe anything you post bc you're an inveterate liar.) Let's clear up that point before YOU try and move past it, OK?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Signym, I have seen your line of argument in civil trials for breach of contract. Juries are NOT convinced by lawyers like you, Signym. The plain and simple words of the contract hold, no matter what "Signymesque" lawyers for the party breaking the contract say:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And YOU posted that . . .
Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, pledging to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity and inviolability of its borders, and to refrain from the use or threat of military force.
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/budapest-memorandum-25-betwee
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Putin and I know there are no juries, no judges, no courtrooms for Putin breaking a contract. He can break contracts, large and small, without facing a civil trial.
I know what happens when a Putinesque businessman loses a major civil trial in the United States. There is bankruptcy. The business goes out of business. Sometimes the businessman kills himself. Maybe Putin will, but I doubt it because there is no system of laws big enough to shutdown Putin's business. Maybe Germany, as one of Putin's largest customers, will shutdown Putin's business for him. Who knows? But I doubt Germany will even cut back their purchases from Putin's business.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:I have been looking for the actual documents of the memorandum, not what people have written "about" it, bc so often what people writ "about" things is plain wrong.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, I have seen your line of argument in civil trials for breach of contract. Juries are NOT convinced by lawyers like you, Signym. The plain and simple words of the contract hold, no matter what "Signymesque" lawyers for the party breaking the contract say:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And YOU posted that . . .
Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, pledging to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity and inviolability of its borders, and to refrain from the use or threat of military force.
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/budapest-memorandum-25-betwee
n-past-and-future
Putin and I know there are no juries, no judges, no courtrooms for Putin breaking a contract. He can break contracts, large and small, without facing a civil trial.
I know what happens when a Putinesque businessman loses a major civil trial in the United States. There is bankruptcy. The business goes out of business. Sometimes the businessman kills himself. Maybe Putin will, but I doubt it because there is no system of laws big enough to shutdown Putin's business. Maybe Germany, as one of Putin's largest customers, will shutdown Putin's business for him. Who knows? But I doubt Germany will even cut back their purchases from Putin's business.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
IN THE MEANTIME, YOU made the argument that agreements between Merkel and Putin were not valid because once Merkel left office the agreement was no longer valid.
The same argument has been used to negate the "not one inch eastward" agreement that the NATO nations had with Russia.
Then you yourself torpedoed that argument re: the Budapest Agreement, which YOU hold to be valid despite the violent coup that overthrew the government in Kiev.
So I'm wondering where you stand on that line of argument.
True?
True, but only when it suits your purposes?
False in all cases?
Untie that knot in your head and answer the question. If you can. Bc this is one of the MANY times you've cotradicted yourself fom one post to the next, and it sure would be nice to get a straight and direct answer from you.
Not that I think think will happen, bc you'll post ANYTHING if it suits your war on America.
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Harvard economist and former Obama adviser says Russia is 'basically a big gas station' and is otherwise 'incredibly unimportant' in the global economy
Despite Russia's size and wealth in raw materials, its economy is more on-par with Brazil than with nations like Germany, France, and the UK, according to the latest nominal GDP data from the World Bank. According to the World Bank, its economy is weaker than Italy's and South Korea's, two nations with less than half of Russia's population.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/harvard-economist-and-former-o
bama-adviser-says-russia-is-basically-a-big-gas-station-and-is-otherwise-incredibly-unimportant-in-the-global-economy/ar-AAU93UF?ocid=msedgntp
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Yes, we've heard that refrain before: "Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country"
It doesn't matter if Russia is important to the world economy. (It is, and not just as an energy source but also as a source of food, strategic metals, and minerals, and you'll find out just HOW important it is if Russia decides to withhold its exports,)
The important question, for Russia and Russians is: Is the Russian economy sufficient to sustain RUSSIA?
Russia, unlike China, has been eliminating economic dependence on the west for over 20 years. (China has been leaning heavily on western "markets" to develop their economy.)
AFA GDP is concerned... GDP figures are meaningless bc they include a lot of non-productive activity (ie financialism and trivial services like cappuccino-making). even comparing Germany's GDP to the UK's is flawed, because Germany is a manufacturing economy and the UK's is primarily finacialism (the FIRE sector- Finance, Insurance, Real Estate, which goes up during bubbles and collapses when they do) and has little to do with actual ... yanno... production.
Like the USA, if Britain were to be cut off from the world's productive economies ... the economies that export commodities and finished products... Britain would immediately suffer because they don't make enough to sustain their own people.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, weren't you just posting that once a government changes hands, then all prior agreements are void? Or did you give up on that point?
Nord Stream 2: Germany halts certification of Russian pipeline
The West showed Tuesday it was ready to target Russia's huge energy industry — even at the risk of hurting itself — after Moscow ordered troops into parts of eastern Ukraine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nord-stream-2-germany-halts-certi
fication-of-russian-pipeline/ar-AAUa3ai?ocid=msedgntp
Agreements depend on the character of the nation state who signed said agreements. Putin has none. Go Germany...
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Germany indicts man for sale of military machinery to Russia
Germany has indicted a businessman on suspicion of breaking arms control laws by helping Russia purchase sophisticated machinery that could be used to make chemical weapons.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-indicts-man-for-sale-of-m
ilitary-machinery-to-russia/ar-AAU9RHm?ocid=msedgntp
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