Another Putin Disaster
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UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 22:07
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This is all the Biden* Administration's fault.
All of it.
Whatever happens is on Democrats.
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Quote:Meanwhile, in the real world:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/16022022-the-crisis-in-ukraine-is-not-ab
out-ukraine-its-about-germany-oped/
The Nord Stream-2 project is expected to directly transport natural gas from Russia to Germany through the Baltic Sea. Ukraine has hitherto acted as the “gatekeeper” for the transit of energy resources from Russia to Europe and bypassing this route would lead to a loss of approximately US$2-3 billion in revenue in transit fees per year[ii], thereby impacting the fragile Ukrainian economy. Geopolitically, it is seen as an attempt to weaken Ukraine’s leverage in its on-going political crisis with Russia. While Russia and Ukraine have signed a five-year gas-transit agreement and German Chancellor Angela Merkel has insisted that gas must continue to flow through Ukraine[iii], the volume of natural gas transported through this route is expected to reduce once Nord Stream-2 becomes operational. Moreover, taken in conjunction with the TurkStream pipeline - which will transport natural gas via the Black Sea from Russia to Turkey to Europe through Bulgaria - it will further diminish the reliance on Ukrainian natural gas corridors.
The former Soviet bloc countries such as the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Croatia – all dependent on Russian gas – oppose the Nord Stream-2 pipeline. These countries have raised concerns over two primary issues – first, is probable loss of transit fees if the energy supplies from Russia are diverted to the Nord Stream-2. Second, possible increase in the Russian influence on the European continent would prevent any formulation of comprehensive European policy on Russia. With Germany pressing ahead with the construction of the pipeline, these member states have committed themselves to diversification of energy resources. Member states like Poland and Lithuania have deepened their partnership with the US in LNG and constructed LNG terminals at Swinoujscie and Klaipeda respectively. Many of these member states have also joined the Three Seas Initiative[xxvii] which is primarily aimed at reducing dependence on Russian gas in Central and Eastern Europe.
To address some of the concerns of EU member states and the US, Germany is expected to offer some regulatory mechanisms which could include first, a mechanism that allows Germany to ‘shut-off’ Nord Stream-2 in case Russia puts pressure on Ukraine by cutting transit supplies or breach its treaty with Ukraine over energy supplies. Second, it could support the construction of LNG terminals for US LNG import to Europe as an alternate energy supplier.[xxix] However, the questions remain if these mechanisms will deliver in practice.
https://www.icwa.in/show_content.php?lang=1&level=3&ls_id=5896
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Question: Who asked for Nord Stream 2?
Answer: Angela Merkel
Quote:
Nord stream 2 is a trap pf Germany's own making
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/12/05/nord-stream
-2-is-a-trap-of-germanys-own-making/
Even in 2015, Germany was willing to throw Ukraine under the bus.
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Quote:From your article: Nord Stream 2 has been contentious since its inception in 2015 because it will deprive Ukraine of most of the estimated $2bn it earns annually in gas transit fees. It is opposed by the United States, while most of Eastern Europe is also against it. Concern has also been expressed by France, the U.K., Sweden, and Canada, and last month lawmakers in the German and European parliaments signed a letter to Angela Merkel asking her to stop the pipeline. Over the past week, all three candidates to replace Ms Merkel as leader of her Christian Democratic party spoke out against the pipeline, as have senior Social Democrats and Greens.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Question: Who asked for Nord Stream 2?
Answer: Angela MerkelQuote:
Nord stream 2 is a trap pf Germany's own making
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/12/05/nord-stream
-2-is-a-trap-of-germanys-own-making/
Even in 2015, Germany was willing to throw Ukraine under the bus.
Looks like a good deal for . . . Germany. Russia paid Germany for a million tons of pipeline steel and machinery which kept German industry busy. Russia can only get its money back if Germany buys Russian natural gas. Too bad for Russia if Germany never "certifies" Nord Stream 2 for operation.
Maybe Russia will force Germany to certify and pay by . . . cutting off the gas flowing through Ukraine and then to Germany. Who knows?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Apparently Merkel was in a "fuck Ukraine and fuck the EU/USA" mood when she agitated for NS2. She was representing German interests
She was so interested in NS2 that she made all kinds of promises to Putin that she didn't keep: that NS2 wouldn't become a political football )it did) and that it wouldn't be subject to the Third Energy Package (it was)
The collective west had a habit of breaking promises!
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Quote:When a politician's career ends, as Merkel's did, their promises end, unless there is a treaty ratified by The Bundestag. Putin better have a signed piece o' paper from The Bundestag, or else promises he thinks Merkel made to him are now dead letters. That would make Putin a sucker for paying all that money to Germany to build the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and then he gets nothing back because Merkel left town. He's gonna feel cheated if Germany doesn't certify that pipeline to operate. He'll kick the hell out of Ukraine for what Germany did. Nord Stream 2 will be Boondoggle 2.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Apparently Merkel was in a "fuck Ukraine and fuck the EU/USA" mood when she agitated for NS2. She was representing German interests
She was so interested in NS2 that she made all kinds of promises to Putin that she didn't keep: that NS2 wouldn't become a political football )it did) and that it wouldn't be subject to the Third Energy Package (it was)
The collective west had a habit of breaking promises!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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So, when Obama left office, does that mean NATO ended?
When Billy left office, did NAFTA end?
Yipee!!
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Signed and ratified contracts, treaties, and agreements are agreements between nations, not agreements between signatories. Russia, so far as I know, has not broken any treaties,agreements, or contracts. The USA OTOH has broken dozens in recent years, hundreds throughout it's history (starting with the various treaties they signed with the natives).
There is a reason why Russia says the USA is "not agreement capable". Keep doing that, and after a,while you get a reputation as being underhanded and unreliable.
Maybe the USA could get away with that in it's "sphere of unfluence" and during the "unipolar moment" but with economic and military power equalizing between the USA and the Russia/China combine, the USA is going to have to learn to behave like a normal nation, not an imperial power.
I have no hope of changing your mind about anything, altho I do find it weird that you would be advocating for war seeing as it was war that turned you into a freak
I just hope that others will be more informed.
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Quote:A real example, which may scare the hell out of you, Signym. Depends on whether an agreement with the USA means much. I know Russia's promises are worthless.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, when Obama left office, does that mean NATO ended?
When Billy left office, did NAFTA end?
Yipee!!
Why Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons — and what that means in an invasion by Russia
Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
Now, that agreement is front and center again.
The narrative in Ukraine, publicly is: We had the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal, we gave it up for this signed piece of paper, and look what happened.
And it really doesn't look good for the international non-proliferation regime. Because if you have a country that disarms and then becomes a target of such a threat and a victim of such a threat at the hands of a nuclear-armed country, it just sends a really wrong signal to other countries that might want to pursue nuclear weapons.
More at https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasio
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More BS from SECOND. Let's not forget that the USA and NGOs engineered the overthrow of the democratically elected President of Ukraine, and Ukraine's been going downhill since then.
Like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran and pretty much every nation the USA touched ever since WWII.
Kiev made the mistake of shelling the Donbas.
I imagine the pipeline thru Ukraine wl be shut down.
Will China recognize the DPR/LPR?
Will China take any lessons re:Taiwan from this incident?
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Quote:Russia guaranteed Ukraine's independence in exchange for Ukraine giving up thousands of nukes. The guarantee was mobilized for the first time on March 4, 2014. So there was a meeting of the signatories of the Budapest Memorandum that was called by Ukraine and it did take place in Paris. And the foreign minister of the Russian Federation, Sergey Lavrov, who was in Paris at the time, simply did not show up. He wouldn't even come to the meeting in connection with the memorandum.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More BS from SECOND. Let's not forget that the USA and NGOs engineered the overthrow of the democratically elected President of Ukraine, and Ukraine's been going downhill since then.
Like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran and pretty much every nation the USA touched ever since WWII.
Russia argues that it signed memorandum with a different government, not with this "illegitimate" one. But that, of course, does not stand to any international legal kind of criteria. You don't sign agreements with the government, you sign it with the country.
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasio
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