Another Putin Disaster
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Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.
"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".
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Quote:Russia has land borders with 14 countries. Five of them are NATO members. Suddenly it's a red line at six, Signym? Five is okay, six is too many?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.
"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".
NATO Allies welcome Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO and they stand by the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance.
Decisions regarding NATO membership are up to each individual applicant and the 30 NATO Allies. Russia has no right to intervene and cannot veto such a process.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm
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Quote:There is also a lie buried in that sentence. This is the lie: (breaking promises by the west)
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.
Very clever of Signym to bury the lie. That little five word long lie is of great importance, believe it or not. Signym knows that.
False Claim by Russians: NATO promised Russia it would not expand after the Cold War
Fact: NATO Allies take decisions by consensus and these are recorded. There is no record of any such decision taken by NATO. Personal assurances from individual leaders cannot replace Alliance consensus and do not constitute formal NATO agreement.
In addition, at the time of the alleged promise, the Warsaw Pact still existed. Its members did not agree on its dissolution until 1991. The idea of their accession to NATO was not on the agenda in 1989. This was confirmed by Mikhail Gorbachev himself in an interview with Russia Beyond the Headlines:
"The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all, and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."
Declassified White House transcripts also reveal that, in 1997, Bill Clinton consistently refused Boris Yeltsin's offer of a 'gentlemen's agreement' that no former Soviet Republics would enter NATO: "I can't make commitments on behalf of NATO, and I'm not going to be in the position myself of vetoing NATO expansion with respect to any country, much less letting you or anyone else do so…NATO operates by consensus."
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm#Myths
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There is, as always, a lie buried in your post, SECOND. Did I post THAT NATO promised? NO I DID NOT.
I said "the west". The west promised, when negotiating the re-unification of Germany, "not one inch eastward". That was part of the agreement, whether signed or not. Notes were taken, it was written.
And since NATO has expanded eastward to the point of touching Russia's border, they claim Russia is threatening them when it's the other way around.
For Russia, having missiles in Poland is like us having missiles in Cuba. It's a huge security threat. Ignoring or lying about or spinning it it doesn't make it go away for them. Or for us.
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Quote:Every house in my neighborhood has guns because this is Baytown Texas, but I don't invade their houses to take away their guns. If I did, I would be shot dead. Similarly, if Putin invades Ukraine, he deserves to be shot dead. I know perfectly well that it won't be Putin riding into Ukraine so the likelihood of him being immediately shot dead is approximately zero, which is why Putin is acting as he is. Because the ultimate decision makers are NOT at any risk of immediate death for making stupid decisions is why the world never has run worth a goddamn.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is, as always, a lie buried in your post, SECOND. Did I post THAT NATO promised? NO I DID NOT.
I said "the west". The west promised, when negotiating the re-unification of Germany, "not one inch eastward". That was part of the agreement, whether signed or not. Notes were taken, it was written.
And since NATO has expanded eastward to the point of touching Russia's border, they claim Russia is threatening them when it's the other way around.
For Russia, having missiles in Poland is like us having missiles in Cuba. It's a huge security threat. Ignoring or lying about or spinning it it doesn't make it go away for them. Or for us.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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So JFK should have let Soviet missiles stay in Cuba.
Got it. (I always knew you hated America.)
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Quote:The short story of the Cuban Missile Crisis is that Kennedy put missiles into Turkey. And so Khrushchev put missiles into Cuba. And so General Curtis LeMay wanted to nuke Cuba. If LeMay and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had not been mentally unstable, as the Vietnam War would repeatedly demonstrate how emotionally unsound these men were, Kennedy could have quietly removed the missiles from Turkey without a crisis and Khrushchev would have done the same in Cuba. But here is how it actually went:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So JFK should have let Soviet missiles stay in Cuba.
Got it. (I always knew you hated America.)
The Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously agreed that a full-scale attack and invasion was the only solution. They believed that the Soviets would not attempt to stop the US from conquering Cuba.
Kennedy was skeptical: "They, no more than we, can let these things go by without doing something. They can't, after all their statements, permit us to take out their missiles, kill a lot of Russians, and then do nothing. If they don't take action in Cuba, they certainly will in Berlin."[54]
Kennedy concluded that attacking Cuba by air would signal the Soviets to presume "a clear line" to conquer Berlin. Kennedy also believed that US allies would think of the country as "trigger-happy cowboys" who lost Berlin because they could not peacefully resolve the Cuban situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#Responses_considere
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If Putin has the equivalent of Kennedy's Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Putin lacks good sense and Putin doesn't restrain his Generals, then there will be an invasion of Ukraine.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.
"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".
NATO isn’t on the move. Putins’ neighbors are. They’ve had enough of Russian rule. And as I’ve recently said; 80% of Ukrainians didn’t want to join NATO until Putin invaded. This is his mess.
Now when asked, 58% of Ukrainians would prefer to join the EU with 21% wanting to join NATO. That's 79% wanting nothing to do with Russia. How many of those left just want Russia to leave them alone?
Let me ask you comrade signym. How about Putin lets them choose.
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Quote:This is the dumb-guy quote of the month.
SIGNYM:
Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.
"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".
THUGR: NATO isn’t on the move. Putins’ neighbors are.
All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)
Nah...
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Quote:If you're making extraordinary claims, you need proof, but not from sources that are Putin's people or repeating what Putin's people wrote for them. This is exactly the same as Signym's claim that the "West" (who is this "West"? ) promised that NATO would not expand. NATO didn't give such a promise to Russia. Neither did the "West". The promise only exists as propaganda written by Putin's people.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)
Nah...
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