Some Covid-19 thoughts

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SECOND

Friday, December 31, 2021 1:13 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.

For my entire life, going all the way back to Republican cheerleaders of the Vietnam War in my own family, I've heard people who are absolutely certain that they are knowledgeable and know "The Truth". They know nothing; nothing at all. Over many years I've learned that the less someone knows, and the less successful they are, especially Trump voters, the more certain they are in their own brilliance and wisdom. They really do think they know but reality isn't backing their high opinion of themselves and their tiny accomplishments.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, December 31, 2021 1:19 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.
For my entire life, going all the way back to Republican cheerleaders of the Vietnam War in my own family, I've heard people who are absolutely certain that they are knowledgeable and know "The Truth". They know nothing; nothing at all.

The problem is that you don't know anything either but refuse to acknowledge it.

We'll make great pets.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SIGNYM

Friday, December 31, 2021 1:20 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.
For my entire life, going all the way back to Republican cheerleaders of the Vietnam War in my own family,

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.
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heard people who are absolutely certain that they are knowledgeable and know "The Truth". They know nothing; nothing at all. Over many years I've learned that the less someone knows, and the less successful they are, especially Trump voters,
Have you checked in with JO? Any idea how "successful" THUGR, TWITCHY and ROOMBA really are? THEY were awfully sure about everything! So sure, some were willing to kill those they disagreed with!
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the more certain they are in their own brilliance and wisdom. They really do think they know but reality isn't backing their high opinion of themselves and their tiny accomplishments.

Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Friday, December 31, 2021 1:58 AM

Back to the OT:

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T-Cells "Minimize" Damage Caused By Omicron, Studies Show
by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Dec 30, 2021 - 12:20 PM

Two new studies - one from Erasmus University in the Netherlands and one from the University of Cape Town in South Africa - have just reminded humanity that our antibodies aren't the last line of defense against COVID, and its newest variant, omicron.

Both have confirmed that T-cells, what Bloomberg describes as the body's weapon against every virus-infected cell, have shown a surprising ability to defend against omicron.

The report goes on to explain that T-cells are the reason why mortality hasn't increased alongside the advent of omicron: with or without vaccines, the human body still has a tool in its toolkit to suppress viruses like these. The T-cell's most critical attribute, when it comes to fighting viruses, is that they target the whole of the spike protein that viruses use to bind with human cells. Because of this, mutations that impact the spike protein (omicron was said to have 50 pertinent mutations in that department) won't help it evade the T-cell response.

For their study, the Dutch researchers looked at 60 vaccinated health-care workers and found that while their antibody responses to omicron were lower or nonexistent (compared with the beta or delta), their T cell responses were largely unaltered and still potent, "potentially balancing the lack of neutralizing antibodies in preventing or limiting severe Covid-19," according to the study.

The other study, from the University of Cape Town’s Institute of Infectious Disease and Molecular Medicine, looked at recovered COVID patients, and those who had been vaccinated with the Pfizer or J&J jabs.

While antibodies didn't fare well, they found that 70% to 80% of the T-cell responses were able to suppress omicron.

Vaccines are helpful in that they help induce a T-cell response to the virus, according to the Dutch researchers. Overall, these results demonstrate that vaccination and infection induce a robust CD4 and CD8 T-cell response that largely cross-reacts with omicron, consistent with recent work from our laboratory and others on limited T-cell escape by Beta, Delta and other variants..."

The Dutch summarized the data from their study in a pair of figures, presented below:

Readers can find the Dutch study below courtesy of medrxiv:

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Here's something to think about, dear reader, as the people in charge try to solve a problem with more of the same (ie more bosters for the already-boosted): immune protection has several layers. While antibodies block infection, T-cells kill infected cells, preventing the virus from spreading and causing more damage. Wendy Burgens, one of the authors of the University of Cape Town study, wrote on her Twitter account Virus Monologues. "They can’t prevent you from getting infected, but they can minimize the damage that comes afterwards," she said.

That's something to keep in mind.

Links to original sources here

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/t-cells-minimize-damage-caused-omicr
on-studies-show

There is much,much more to the immune system than "antigens". If anybody had bothered to listen to Chris Martenson's videos when SARS-Cov2 first reared its ugly head, they would know that. Altho Dr Martenson runs a financial website -originally dedicated to the concept of "peak [cheap] oil" his PhD is actually in pathology, and he explained a lot of basic concepts very well, including T-Cells etc.

Also, the role of HCQ as preventative and early treatment antiviral, and Ivermectin as early treatment antiviral. He also ripped to shreds an "official" anti-HCQ published in The Lancet which was full of obviously faked data, which was later retracted.
Since I used to review our raw data, as well as raw data and reports from other labs, I kind of geeked out on his reviews.

It IS possible

SIGNYM

Friday, December 31, 2021 2:36 AM

Meanwhile, in the UK as latest daily "new cases" soar to twice as much as the previous peak, "new deaths" are DROPPING. Of course, given the two-week lag time, need to recheck then.

But Britain setting up "field hospitals"? Seems like a publicity stunt by BoJo, the PM who may be facing a "no confidence" vote by his own party soon.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SECOND

Friday, December 31, 2021 4:04 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

Let me keep it simple for you. I live in exactly the same county in Texas, Harris, since 1965 and have known the same people all my life. The pro-Vietnam War Texans were “Democrats” in name only. There was absolutely nothing about them that is recognizable Democrat at all. Confusingly, they were calling themselves “Democrats” only because of the Civil War. They voted for Nixon in 1968 and again in 1972. LBJ, being a Texan, went into Vietnam to please these Texans, but that was political foolishness on his part. Since LBJ had displeased Texans on everything else, he should have just displeased them on Vietnam, too. These Texans which LBJ was trying to please eventually started calling themselves Republicans or, more often, Independents, but their politics and beliefs about government and race and women and immigration and killing foreign civilians and every subject imaginable has always been pure Confederate. That is not a compliment. They have not done well financially or spiritually or professionally or maritally or any other way since they stopped being nominally “Democrats” and they hate real Democrats and blame them for everything that has gone bad in their personal lives. Very much like the crazy Confederates hated Lincoln and the Republicans, the 2021 crazy Confederates hate Biden and Democrats, and for the same reasons – their beliefs are crazy, they believe themselves superior, they aren’t doing well and they have to blame that failure, absolutely have to, on somebody other than themselves.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

Always, these Neo-Confederates from Texas say that successful people lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead. Always. It is a weird mental tick they have. Apparently, Signym has the same twitchy mind.

Getting obliquely back to Covid-19:

London, 1940. Night falls, and darkness takes a city that would normally blaze with electric lights, for the danger of Nazi air raids has united the city in a blackout.

Homeowner: "I won't live in fear. The PM doesn't control me. I've turned on every light I own and put a lighthouse beacon I bought on my roof. Take that, Tyranny. Make Britain Great Again."

Nazi bombs: Obliterate that dude's house and the surrounding 5 blocks.

That dude: "This must be the communists targeting me for being a lion, not a sheep."

https://imgur.com/gallery/LrYAEb8

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Friday, December 31, 2021 5:31 AM

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SIGNYM:

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

SECOND: Let me keep it simple for you.... blah blah blah... their politics and beliefs about government and race and women and immigration and killing foreign civilians and every subject imaginable has always been pure Liberal. That is not a compliment. They have not done well financially or spiritually or professionally or maritally or any other way since they adopted nutty cultural Marxism and they hate real Americans and blame them for everything that has gone bad in their personal lives.

You, ROOMBA, TWITCHY, THUGR, AND JO753 are prime examples

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Very much like the crazy librals hated Nixon and Republicans, the 2021 crazy liberaloids hate Trump and Republicans, and for the same reasons – their beliefs are crazy, they believe themselves superior, they aren’t doing well and they have to blame that failure, absolutely have to, on somebody other than themselves.

Especially on "racism", "men", "white people" and anyone who doesn't follow their woke ideology.

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SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

SECOND: Always, these critics say that successful people lie, cheat and steal to get ahead.

Not "successful people", SECOND. YOU YOU are a demonstrated liar. YOU blamed "rentier capitalism" for the wealth gap. YOU are the one blaming everything under the sun on "them"- Republicans. Trump supporters. Russians. Americans! Democracy. Rule of law.

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SECOND: It is a weird mental tick I have.

Yes YOU are the nutcase railing against everthing else to shift the blame from your own stupidity.

Everything you post about "them" applies to you and your equally nutty friends.
It's that simple.

Fixed it for you!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

1KIKI

Friday, December 31, 2021 11:53 AM

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Go fetch, doggie.

You mean you can't even find your own posts, SUX?

Just like all of the other bullshit you've posted for years, saying something a million times doesn't make it true.

1KIKI

Friday, December 31, 2021 1:25 PM

The ZH links look scrambled.

Here's the preprint Dutch study.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268416v1
This study shows that vaccinated individuals retain T-cell immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant, potentially balancing the lack of neutralizing antibodies in preventing or limiting severe COVID-19. Booster vaccinations may be needed to further restore Omicron cross-neutralization by antibodies.

It indicates that boosters improve antibody and/ or T-cell responses.

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... neutralization of Omicron was observed or restored in all boosted individuals ... An increase in S-specific T-cells was also observed after booster vaccination of mRNA-1273(Moderna)-primed participants.

And here's the preprint SA study.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.26.21268380v1
These results demonstrate that despite Omicron's extensive mutations and reduced susceptibility to neutralizing antibodies, the majority of T cell response, induced by vaccination or natural infection, cross-recognises the variant. Well-preserved T cell immunity to Omicron is likely to contribute to protection from severe COVID-19, supporting early clinical observations from South Africa.
Overall, these results demonstrate that vaccination and infection induce a robust CD4 and CD8 T cell response that largely cross-reacts with Omicron, consistent with recent work from our laboratory and others on limited T cell escape by Beta, Delta and other variants. Despite extensive neutralization escape against Omicron, 70-80% of the T cell response is preserved. The limited effect of Omicron’s mutations on the T cell response suggests that vaccination or prior infection may still provide substantial protection from severe disease.

It indicates infection and vaccination both create T-cell immunity.

SECOND

Friday, December 31, 2021 6:22 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

SECOND: Let me keep it simple for you.... blah blah blah... their politics and beliefs about government and race and women and immigration and killing foreign civilians and every subject imaginable has always been pure Liberal. That is not a compliment. They have not done well financially or spiritually or professionally or maritally or any other way since they adopted nutty cultural Marxism and they hate real Americans and blame them for everything that has gone bad in their personal lives.
You, ROOMBA, TWITCHY, THUGR, AND JO753 are prime examples
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Very much like the crazy librals hated Nixon and Republicans, the 2021 crazy liberaloids hate Trump and Republicans, and for the same reasons – their beliefs are crazy, they believe themselves superior, they aren’t doing well and they have to blame that failure, absolutely have to, on somebody other than themselves.
Especially on "racism", "men", "white people" and anyone who doesn't follow their woke ideology.

Quote:
SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

SECOND: Always, these critics say that successful people lie, cheat and steal to get ahead.
Not "successful people", SECOND. YOU YOU are a demonstrated liar. YOU blamed "rentier capitalism" for the wealth gap. YOU are the one blaming everything under the sun on "them"- Republicans. Trump supporters. Russians. Americans! Democracy. Rule of law.
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SECOND: It is a weird mental tick I have.

Yes YOU are the nutcase railing against everthing else to shift the blame from your own stupidity.

Everything you post about "them" applies to you and your equally nutty friends.
It's that simple.

Fixed it for you!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Take any famous Antebellum Confederate and time travel them instantaneously to now. They come from a culture that functions well enough for themselves. They would wish to spread their "American" culture to the entire world. They would carry their culture from the 19th Century with them into the future. They would have their same old beliefs that were never defeated by the Civil War, beliefs that live today in the minds of Trump voters. I know these people. They are my neighbors. I have read the history of the Confederacy and I can see the Confederate inheritance in action today. The 19th Century Confederates would fit right in, after they learn the iPhone operating system, with Trump loving voters and would hate the same things that Trump lovers hate, including the Democrats and Federal government as it now is.

By the way, there are states that did not join the Confederacy, Tennessee and Kentucky, that shared all the beliefs of Confederates, but didn't go to war. In reality, very few Confederates, as a percent of the population, went to war, yet they shared the same beliefs with the more energetic warriors. With them voting in the 21st Century, they can certainly vote America back into 19th Century. The Neo-Confederates learned a lesson from the Old Confederates that controlling the Federal government can only be done if you don't withdraw from the Union. It has become obvious to the Neo-Confederates that voting is more powerful than withdrawing and sulking that their Confederate values are disrespected b

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