WOO HOO!!!! Seriously good review from VERY noteworthy source!!!

POSTED BY: Static
UPDATED: Monday, February 21, 2005 07:23
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EMBASSY

Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:53 PM

Well, I think you might be missing the point somewhat with Orson Scott Card's attitudes towards church and state.

He used to, in the 1980s, run what he called "Secular Humanist Revival Meetings." When Brother Orson said "Do you believe?!" in the manner of a revival preacher, you are supposed to respond "IN WHAT?". And his characterization of Falwell and his ilk was blistering - it's really unfair to lump him in with them. All of this was a hoot, and all in good fun, but the point he was making was that the secularity of American public life is the greatest protection of American religious life. I don't think his views on this have altered substantially in the last two decades.

I do disagree with him politically, but that's life in a democracy for you. I do find his articulation of the reasons for religious people to support separation of church and state to be quite refreshing.

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by FullCapacity:
If you want to blame someone, blame Whedon. He could have pitched Firefly to anyone. Especially UPN as a package deal for more seasons of BTVS. Chris Carter did it THREE TIMES. He used X Files to extort Millenium, Lone Gunmen and Harsh Realm out of Fox.

Save that aside from Millenium, which he lost creative control of fairly early after the first season (which contained some good episodes), the other two got canned pretty damn quick.

Its the nature of the TV beast - there are few, if any, creators who can get a full 22 episode committment off the bat, together with a committment to support the show and play it out in its timeslot with ads and other promotions to let it build an audience. Right now, there's three that spring to mind -

Bruckheimer
Chase
Wolf

Despite Lost, I'm not convinced that Abrams is there yet.

"I threw up on your bed"

RAVENU

Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:35 PM

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Originally posted by Static:
Orson Scott Card
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The actors are wonderful, though a couple of characters can be annoying, especcially at first (couldn't Jewel Staite have occasionally stopped smiling idiotically during the early episodes?).

Wow, I don't think he got Jewel's character at all - I thought it was all about her being light and Ms Sunshine, not a smiling idiot. The person who almost on her own had to balance out the darkness that the other characters put forward. I always thought if anything she was the most under-rated character on the show for her ability to keep the humanity flowing in the show. More so than any other character you felt what she felt when she felt it. She was ultra-real in that sence and unlike other characters throughout TV and movie history who are as smart as she was in keeping that ship running, most other characters in the past always had a chip on their shoulder or a jadedness to their character, as if you couldn't be happy at doing your job even in less than hospitable conditions. She still saw the best in people and that is a rare trait in any character and an event rarer trait when you can find someone who could pull that off as believiblely as Jewel did. Are we that jaded as a society that when we see a character as happy and innocent as Kaylee in such a dark story that we automatically sneer at the character and dismiss it as stupid, other than perhaps realizing that she is the embodiment of the innoncence lost by the other characters, and I think Jewel did a brilliant job of pulling it off and keeping Kaylee real and human and perhaps reminding some of us what we may have forsaken, that's the harder job is to be happy in an unhappy situtation cause you are at least still there. Just my 2 cents I guess.

TIGER

Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:54 PM

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Originally posted by Shiny:
MOD NOTE: Unfortunately, this board does not currently give mods the ability to split parts of threads and discussions into different forums, so instead of leaving this degenerating thread as it was, or moving the whole gorram thing to troll country, I've decided to just delete the individual posts that were off-topic and/or flamebait.

In the future, please try to stay on-topic and reserve political comments to the appropriate threads/forums (like the real world forum)...and please try to remain civil. Remember, we're all browncoats here, and as the good doctor would say we "Got the same troubles (not enough Firefly), same enemies (F*x execs) - and more than enough of both."

Oh, and if you must flame each other, I'd take it as a kindness if you'd just start a thread in Troll Country -- it'd save us mods a lot of trouble.

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

Since when does this board have MODS?!?

JEWELSTAITE

Monday, January 24, 2005 4:49 AM

Thanks, Ravenu.

"..smiling idiotically.." isn't exactly the thing I was going for with Kaylee. I love reading great reviews about our show, but that comment in particular didn't sit too well in my tummy.

I think, a lot of the time, people seem to forget that us actors read our reviews, and we read these posts as well. I'm glad I read yours. Thanks again... You're a peach!

Jewel

FULLCAPACITY

Monday, January 24, 2005 7:03 AM

I generally liked all the characters, but I could see how reviewers might be on the fence about everyone except Zoe and Book ( The show just didn't last long enough to give them much development IMHO).

What I did notice about the show, at least from Objects in Space is that characters are really paired off with some great complexity.

Relationship wise
Malcolm and Inara - The jaded couple who kind of define the time in people lives when circumstances and responsibilities outweigh your first instinct. I actually see this relationship as kind of tragic.

Simon and Kaylee - Two people who like each other but are kind of clueless in that pleasant way young people are about relationships. I've always seen this relationship as one about acceptance. Simon accepting that the life he once had is pretty much over and Kaylee accepting certain realities about her own insecurity. I think this relationship is the one most people can really identify with since there is such a steep learning curve for both of them.

Wash and Zoe - The couple who struggles to stay together. Its interesting that this relationship has complete role reversal based on most gender stereotypes. I think this relationship does a good job of showing that getting together isn't really the hard part. The hard part comes after

Book and Jayne - I see this as a good fraternal relationship. There really isn't much male bonding on the show so I think its good for the character dynamic. Its also interesting to see the commonalities of two fairly diverse characters ( a mercenary and a religious man)

Then theres River, who kind of embodies the person who is alone. The point where a person just can't fit into a neat little box of societies ingrained ideal of what they should be. I think everyone can relate to that at some point in their lives.

If I looked at each characters individually, yeah I could see how some traits seem excessive or a hard sell, but when I look at the context of their chemistry to the entire crew and specific pairing, it starts to make sense why the characters are constructed as such and play out the way they do.

I don't know what Whedon's intentions were for this show, we never got to see much of it. But I do think its mostly a character study. That somestimes the only family and home you have is the one you make for yourself. I think in modern times, given certain family values, thats still a pretty interesting and salient issue.

It was a good show, I was sorry to see it leave the air. But good and fair are sometimes mutually exclusive.

Heres hoping the movie does well

FullCapacity

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, January 24, 2005 2:17 PM

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Originally posted by JewelStaite:
Thanks, Ravenu.

"..smiling idiotically.." isn't exactly the thing I was going for with Kaylee. I love reading great reviews about our show, but that comment in particular didn't sit too well in my tummy.

I think, a lot of the time, people seem to forget that us actors read our reviews, and we read these posts as well. I'm glad I read yours. Thanks again... You're a peach!

Jewel

Jewel,

I was very happy about Mr Card's review as well until I got to his comment about "smiling idiotically". I am not sure what elicited that comment as I have always thought of Kaylee's smiles as reflections of her eternal optimism, innocence, and good nature.

Were I you, I would not pay it any mind. We all love you and no way could anyone have been more suited for the role of our favorite mechanic than you.

As for the rest of the review, I think it great to see a prestigious sci fi author praise the series. Hopefully this will make the rounds on the internet and convince some more people to give the DVD set a look and to purchase tickets for the BDM.

Hope the holidays treated you well Jewel. Tell Matt I said "Hi".

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NWUKSTEVE

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:44 PM

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I was very happy about Mr Card's review as well until I got to his comment about "smiling idiotically".

Agreed, ignore him Jewel, you were great in every episode.

---
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder." - Homer Simpson

MALICIOUS

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:56 PM

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Originally posted by JewelStaite:
...and we read these posts as well.

Have you read the threads dedicated to me then?

(Mal-Licious looks around at all the people groaning, rolling their eyes and making faces)

WHAT?!? They would make her laugh! And then she would see what "idiotic" realllly means......

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

GORRAMREAVERS

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:10 PM

I know I love your work on Firefly Jewel

Sometimes I just cant help myself.

The Lifetime movie you were in didnt start till well after 9pm last nite. They had some horrible movie with the Spelling 90210 gal. I watched 'The Message' instead :)

"..it is my very favorite gun."

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