Where are the Extraterrestrial Civilizations?
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I am forgetting the details.
For each of these Goldilocks planets, are each of their Suns expanding, like ours is?
Then the window of opportunity/expansion is further limited by how soon their home planet gets enveloped by their Sun.
Are all of these Suns the same size? The same stage in their development? When Earth is too hot, won't Mars become a Goldilocks?
Or are their some Suns with Goldilocks planets which do not have a similar development process where they will continue to expand, thereby consuming their nearest planets.
Also, do each of these Solar Systems also have an unstable 5th planet which may break up into an asteroid belt, providing further statistical likelihood of an asteroid impact Extinction Level Event?
I can accept that extraterrestrial sentient beings may not have sensors similar to our eyes, or not able to naturally sense what we define as visual spectrum, or maybe not even have physical form as a being.
What if they visit us in purely non-physical form, such as humans do with Technical Remote Viewing? What if this is their whole life, their entire form of travel - like Out of Body Experience?
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How smart are we with all our pollution and wars
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are all of these Suns the same size?
Most Suns are 'dwarf' our Sun is somewhat big-ish but not that big it is also somewhat stable not so violent less flares,
of the stars seen and studied
many are Binary two which means the planets around them might be somewhat unstable, others have been found as 3 Suns or Stars in orbit of each other, 4, 5 or even Weird ‘Sextuple’ Star System
it is arrogant to say we know it all
There are new findings all the time every time a new space telescope is launched some find stars some billion years older, older than the universe itself...which doesn't make sense making them try to rewrite the Cosmology books
Cosmology is weird kinda spooky or almost philosophical
Physics, Planetary Science, Astronomy, Orbital Mechanics are all more grounded in reality
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When Earth is too hot, won't Mars become a Goldilocks?
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From their readings they tell us Mars lacks water, it has 'some' trapped water but nothing like the Oceans of Earth, a Moon around Jupiter called Europa has lots of water more water than Earth.
If Mars had Seas and Oceans they might be stagnant, it has no big Moon like ours that regulate, pull and clean water by tidal force.
The Planet Mars has no significant atmosphere or electromagnetic field, they think maybe it gets blasted by radiation storms, cosmic rays, solar storms.
"Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids" a lyric from the song "Rocket Man" but its a lot better than the Moon of Earth.
Mars lacks minerals, tough to get water and missing Nitrogen but maybe they can extract Methane or it has a little Nitrogen but also lacks stuff for growing, smectite clays may have trapped rions, with liquid nitrogen, only 160+ minerals have been recorded on Mars compared to 6,000 different types abundant on Earth
Mars maybe had flowing water and movement, Tectonics maybe 'life' way back in Dinosaur times, maybe a Magnetic Field but something happened a long time ago that shut it down, the Sun has blasted the air that could have sustained life away from Mars long ago, slowly it evaporated over time, Earth recycles itself, floods, landslides, quakes, active volcanoes, craters on Earth get covered up, new plant growth, tectonics constantly remixes elements forming new chemical combinations and minerals but Mars seems perhaps dead.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I don't think anybody here is saying that extraterrestrial life doesn't exist.
I don't mean to speak for anybody else who's posted in this thread, so speak up if I'm wrong, but I think the point is that there is a near nil chance that any civilization would become so technologically advanced that they could safely engage in interstellar travel yet manage not to have already suffered an extinction level event... either by their own hands or a fluke accident.
The Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the Universe 13.8. That means there could be other civilizations out there billions of years older than ours. My bet is there is. Thank god the verse is full of what they need so they can ignore us.
T
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I don't think anybody here is saying that extraterrestrial life doesn't exist.
I don't mean to speak for anybody else who's posted in this thread, so speak up if I'm wrong, but I think the point is that there is a near nil chance that any civilization would become so technologically advanced that they could safely engage in interstellar travel yet manage not to have already suffered an extinction level event... either by their own hands or a fluke accident.
The Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the Universe 13.8. That means there could be other civilizations out there billions of years older than ours. My bet is there is. Thank god the verse is full of what they need so they can ignore us.
T
Like I said before, I'm not saying that there isn't life on other planets. Statistically speaking the chances that there aren't are almost nil.
But the chances that a civilization can evolve to the point of having technology that allows them to travel to other inhabited planets before they destroy themselves is also just about as small.
As for your cartoon above, it's the first one I've appreciated that you've posted.
I do get a laugh when we claim to have been the first to make something fly on Mars. Maybe a billion years ago there were helicopters all over mars like there is on Earth today.
But we know it all.
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Quote:Are you familiar with The Face On Mars, topic by Richard C. Hoagland?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Like I said before, I'm not saying that there isn't life on other planets. Statistically speaking the chances that there aren't are almost nil.
But the chances that a civilization can evolve to the point of having technology that allows them to travel to other inhabited planets before they destroy themselves is also just about as small.
As for your cartoon above, it's the first one I've appreciated that you've posted.
I do get a laugh when we claim to have been the first to make something fly on Mars. Maybe a billion years ago there were helicopters all over mars like there is on Earth today.
But we know it all.
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The Fermi Paradox was mentioned on a podcast: Science, Fiction, and the Mind-Body Problem
https://meaningoflife.tv/videos/43435?in=45:03
Erik Hoel was the guest because he wrote a murder mystery, The Revelations, that involves solving the Mind-Body Problem. www.erikphoel.com
Hoel has a hypothesis about the Fermi Paradox and the Mind-Body Problem: When the Problem is truly and actually solved, it destroys civilizations. That means the Fermi Paradox is not a paradox after all.
Free download of The Revelations by Erik Hoel at
https://libgen.unblockit.club/fiction/?q=Erik+Hoel+Revelations
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you familiar with The Face On Mars, topic by Richard C. Hoagland?
No, but I really enjoyed the book Jesus on Mars by Philip José Farmer.
What does Hoagland have to say?
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Quote:He discusses prior civilizations and/or technology on Mars, which pre-date man's history (or current versions of history).
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:No, but I really enjoyed the book Jesus on Mars by Philip José Farmer.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you familiar with The Face On Mars, topic by Richard C. Hoagland?
What does Hoagland have to say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland
https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/hoagland-richard-c-5605/
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Maybe We Could Detect Alien Probes Calling Home
https://www.realclearscience.com/2021/11/24/maybe_we_could_detect_alie
n_probes_calling_home_805100.html
Brian Cox doomsday scenario that human civilisation 'approaching destroying itself'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1529911/brian-cox-news-doomsday
-scenario-human-civilisation-destroying-itself-universe-spt
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