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This doesn't address the problem with offshoring work, but one thing Second IS right about is that illegal immigration wouldn't be a problem if employers were punished for hiring illegal labor.

That's something I've argued since the beginning.

If they enforced that (for ALL companies, not just ma and pa shops without a huge legal team) AND they didn't give any taxpayer dollars to illegals (food, medical care, school), then there would be no reason for a physical wall to be built or for anybody to even bother patrolling the border.

Take away the incentive to come here and nobody will come here.



Give the employer ONE warning. And then give them 26 weeks to fix the problem. After that, shut the business down, seize all assets, and put them all on auction to pay for damages.

Once word gets out this is happening and it's finally being enforced, businesses will stop hiring illegals of their own accord.

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Most illegals have phony papers and/or somebody else's Social Security number.

They CAN use e-verify (I've used it myself) but that only tells you if the SSN and name match, so it's not foolproof.

But yeah... construction companies and agricultural firms probably don't even do that much. And people who hire out if the Home Depot parking lot ... well, they know who they're hiring! So it's a matter of enforcement.

Both parties suck at it.

AFA freebies to illegals .. one party (guess which one) hands out taxpayer money hand over fist to illegals.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Once word gets out this is happening and it's finally being enforced, businesses will stop hiring illegals of their own accord.

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An illegal alien's chances of being arrested is lower than the chance of the employer of an illegal alien being audited by the IRS, which is why tax cheating and illegal aliens are both abundant.

What are the odds of being audited? By the way, Congress sets the odds, not the IRS, by limiting how many auditors the IRS can pay.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-are-the-odds-being-audite
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What are the chances of an illegal alien, who is a long term resident, being arrested for not being a citizen? Close to zero. Only 103,603 got arrested in 2020. The alien has to commit a different crime before the Feds take any interest, mostly because the Feds are swarming around the border, and almost nowhere else, giving the appearance of stopping illegals.

There are too many Feds in the wrong place, mostly because there are not enough Feds to do more than police the border. The Federal government would have to hire a much smarter breed of law enforcers because the Feds that are policing the border aren't particularly capable people and wouldn't recognize an illegal alien unless the alien was in wet cloths.
https://www.ice.gov/remove/statistics

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Most illegals have phony papers and/or somebody else's Social Security number.

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That loophole needs to be closed and it shouldn't even be a thing.

As a white legitimate US citizen, try to get yourself a second ID with a new social security number so you can do things off the books and see how quickly that lands you in prison.

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They CAN use e-verify (I've used it myself) but that only tells you if the SSN and name match, so it's not foolproof.

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It should be enough. There shouldn't be any way to fake this. I've heard about them being able to use dead people, but that would be just as easy to fix as clearing out dead people from the registered voter databases. But there's no will to do that right now from one side, and the other side would claim it's racist.

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But yeah... construction companies and agricultural firms probably don't even do that much. And people who hire out if the Home Depot parking lot ... well, they know who they're hiring! So it's a matter of enforcement.

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Yeah. It's mostly a matter of enforcing laws that are currently on the books, although there should be some additions. Obviously, Joe DIY guy looking to hire out some cheap help when doing some remodeling doesn't have a company to seize and shouldn't lose his house when he's caught, but I'm not against giving him a hefty fine if caught doing it. Especially if there is a Two Strikes rule instituted in this circumstance too.

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Both parties suck at it.

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Agreed.

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AFA freebies to illegals .. one party (guess which one) hands out taxpayer money hand over fist to illegals.

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Oh... We know which one.



In fact, in your state and New York, they've also been giving these criminals the "right" to vote in your elections too.

You ought to do something about that.

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Trump says a bit too much about James Comey's FBI firing (again)

Donald Trump seemed to volunteer to Fox News that the FBI was on his trail, so he fired the FBI director in order to save his own skin.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-says-bit-too-much-about
-james-comey-s-fbi-n1

It was on May 9, 2017, when Donald Trump fired James Comey as the director of the FBI. The Republican president hadn't yet been in office for four months, but he nevertheless ousted Comey six years before the end of his 10-year term.

A few days later, Trump sat down with NBC News' Lester Holt and effectively confessed that he fired the FBI director in order to undermine the investigation into the Russia scandal. It was a rare instance in which a sitting president willingly raised the prospect of obstructing justice during a national television interview.

Four years later, the Republican is apparently still confessing. In an interview that aired last night, Trump sat down with Fox News' Mark Levin, apparently to help promote a new book with photographs from his time in the White House. Their discussion turned to the Russia scandal, which the former president said may have been made up in Hillary Clinton's kitchen. He added:

"A lot of people say to me, 'How you survived is one of the most incredible things.' Don't forget, I fired Comey. Had I not fired Comey, you might not be talking to me right now about a beautiful book of four years at the White House. And we'll see about the future. The future's going to be very interesting. But I fired Comey, that whole group, and now that group is coming back again. I mean, it's not believable. It shouldn't be allowed to happen. It shouldn't be allowed to happen."

The host tried to change the subject, but later in the interview, Trump seemed eager to talk about this some more.

"I was going to say before, if I didn't fire Comey, they were looking to take down the President of the United States. If I didn't fire him, and some people said, 'He made a mistake when he fired Comey.' And now those same people said it was the most incredible instinctual moves that they've ever seen, because I wouldn't — I might be here with you, perhaps we'll be talking about something else. But I don't think I could have survived if I didn't fire him, because it was like a hornet's nest."

It was three years ago when The Atlantic's Adam Serwer wrote, "Donald Trump can't stop telling on himself." A year later, Nick Akerman, a former Watergate prosecutor, said, "What he's been saying in public is the kind of thing I used to prosecute people for doing in private."

To be sure, the former president has earned a reputation for breathtaking dishonesty, but it's also true that he has a weird habit of publicly disclosing his own misdeeds.

And now we have a striking new example. Unprompted, Trump seemed to volunteer to Levin that the FBI was on his trail, so he fired the FBI director in order to save his own skin.

Legal experts can speak to this with more authority than I can, but his on-air rhetoric sounded an awful lot like someone acknowledging — if not overtly bragging about — obstruction of justice.

In case anyone's curious, the statute of limitations for federal obstruction of justice is five years. Trump fired Comey four and a half years ago.

Starts at 1:20

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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lol...

Oh, you still listen to what Maddow has to say?

That says far more about you than anything that article said about Trump.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

Oh, you still listen to what Maddow has to say?

That says far more about you than anything that article said about Trump.

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It was Trump who said he would not be President if he had let FBI Director Comey investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election. Trump said he instinctively knew he had to fire Comey or else Trump wouldn't finish his 4 years: "If I didn't fire him, and some people said, 'He made a mistake when he fired Comey.' And now those same people said it was the most incredible instinctual moves that they've ever seen, because I wouldn't — I might be here with you, perhaps we'll be talking about something else."

If Comey had finished, Trump would be finished. Since Trump said it, it's got to be true.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

Oh, you still listen to what Maddow has to say?

That says far more about you than anything that article said about Trump.

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It was Trump who said he would not be President if he had let FBI Director Comey investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election. Trump said he instinctively knew he had to fire Comey or else Trump wouldn't finish his 4 years:

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Did he now? Let's see your evidence...

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"If I didn't fire him, and some people said, 'He made a mistake when he fired Comey.' And now those same people said it was the most incredible instinctual moves that they've ever seen, because I wouldn't — I might be here with you, perhaps we'll be talking about something else."

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Nope. That's not what HE said.

He's saying that's what OTHER people said 4 years ago vs. what they're saying now. He's not even hinting whether he agrees with them or not.


You're going to give me shit about swiss-cheese-brained Joe Biden* reading stuff he shouldn't have off a teleprompter on the one video I posted where that was taken out of context, but you read this shit and believe that about Trump?

You're a fucking cultist.

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Hillary Clinton was right about the "deplorables" — and about the end of Roe v. Wade

Still hate Hillary's guts? Fine. But let's admit that she saw all this coming — and way before the rise of Trump

By Chauncey DeVega, Published December 7, 2021 6:30AM (EST)

During her 2016 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton warned us that Donald Trump and his "basket of deplorables" were a threat to American democracy. She wasn't a prophet. She was simply offering a reasonable analysis based on the available evidence — and she paid an enormous political price for daring to tell that truth in public.

Two things can be true at the same time. Russian interference may well have played a role in Donald Trump's unlikely electoral victory in 2016. But it is also true that Clinton's truthful but politically unwise comment about the "deplorables" helped to swing the momentum — with the help of an eager and compliant mainstream news media — in Trump's direction.

Clinton's description was in fact about much more than the disreputable people who flocked to Trump's banner. It was also a warning about the regressive politics and antisocial values that Trump's followers represented (and still do), including cruelty, racism and white supremacy, sexism and misogyny, collective narcissism, anti-intellectualism, an infatuation with violence, proud ignorance and support for fascism and authoritarianism.

Whatever you think of her as a person and a public figure, Clinton clearly perceived that Trumpism would be a disaster for American democracy and the world, pushing the United States towards the brink of full-on fascism including an attempted coup. Clinton's campaign strategy against Trump had numerous evident flaws, but her diagnosis of Trump and his movement' was overwhelmingly correct.

One thing Hillary Clinton clearly perceived, even if she didn't put it this way, was that Trump's authoritarian politics would involve a campaign to limit human freedom, in accordance with the needs and goals of the Trump movement. Specifically, limiting and controlling the bodily autonomy of those groups and individuals deemed to be Other, the enemy or otherwise subordinate to the dominant group.

Such an exercise of power is central and foundational to American fascism in its various forms, as the history of slavery and Jim Crow ought to make clear. In America now, the fascist movement longs for the subordination, control, and domination of women's and girls' bodies to the sexual, emotional, financial, physical and psychological needs of men — especially, of course, white conservative "Christian" men. Restricting women's reproductive rights and freedoms, especially by attempting to force women to conceive and bear children, are recurring features of fascist-authoritarian political projects and societies.

Hillary Clinton warned us about this as well, as Colbert King noted several months ago in the Washington Post:

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I'm also sick at heart because five years ago, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton put the country on notice that this day could come.

While celebrating the Supreme Court's June 27, 2016, decision rejecting two restrictive provisions in a Texas House bill regulating abortion, Clinton warned in a campaign release that the fight for the right to access health care, and for women to make their own decisions about their bodies and their futures, was "far from over."

She stated, presciently, "The fact that our next president could appoint as many as three or four justices in the next four years" is a striking reminder "that we can't take rulings like today's for granted."

Clinton left no room for speculation. "Just consider Donald Trump, the Republicans' presumptive nominee. The man who could be president has said there should be some form of 'punishment' for women seeking abortions. He pledged to appoint Supreme Court justices

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