'Kyle did nothing wrong'? or the crimes of the Kenosha Shooter
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Quote:Bull. There are a lot of other examples littering the board. You have NEVER been able to demonstrate your accusations.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Then why do you get so flustered about things that were never posted?
SIGNYM:
Seriously, SIX, when you have to lie about what ppl posted, that's stooping pretty low.
SIX: Kiki is a piece of shit on my shoes. She should go back to ignoring me, because she's not worth my time at all.
KIKI is honest, consistent, and precise in her posts, and you're the one who's getting scrambled.
Dood, take a moment of self-reflection. Your behavior isn't worthy of you. Maybe you have the winter blahs?
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I've never said that Kiki said something she didn't say.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Bull. There are a lot of other examples littering the board. You have NEVER been able to demonstrate your accusations.
I don't need to demonstrate my accusations. She does it for me.
Just because Covid Karen isn't posting much here these days, doesn't subtract from her crazy thousands of posts about Covid.
Her post history is here. It's full of stuff she should be ashamed of.
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Her post history IS here. I've read most of it, and the only person who should be ashamed is you. I'll never convince you of that, but you're a lunatic on the topic.
Back on topic ...
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I've been right about everything on Covid. In time you'll see that.
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Quote:I wasn't disputing the verdict. I was disputing JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to go running around armed because he - Rittenhouse - was a 'first responder'. That's all I was pointing out. It had nothing to do with the verdict.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Or was he a self-important busy-body, self-assigned and self-promoted?Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Like I said from the very first post of this thread 'what the fuck was that kid doing'
but the legal trial wasn't about if the kid was doing something dumb, was he a bit stupid and young, was he unwise
or did he have the right to defend himself?
...it not about being totally innocent of stupidity
its that he was found 'Not Guilty' that's what the final outcome of the trial was
Quote:Sometimes I wonder just how much work you put into being stupid.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:I was specifically responding to JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to be out there doing what he was doing because he, Rittenhouse, was some kind of 'first responder' - which he definitely wasn't. And in general, Rittenhouse had as much right to be out there, armed or not, as anybody ... considering there was an 8PM curfew, that means, not much.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He didn't?
You seem to think the Real World is just an academic exercise.
You seem determined to demonstrate that you have no clue about Public Service, Community Service, that you only want to announce that you are "official," so that everybody else can actually do your job for you.
Was Kyle an official Police Officer, spending his whole week cowering inside his Police Cruiser while his city burned down, hosted riots and looting all around him? No.
Was Kyle an official Firefighter, spending his whole week avoiding the fires which arsonists had set the whole week, burning down his city around him? No.
Was Kyle an official EMT, cowering far away from the actual injured, while rioting mobs injured folks all over? No.
Was Kyle the Actual Security Guards, posted to thwart the criminal arsonist looter rioters from burning down another car dealership, and then acting as the Actual First Responder going to actual injured persons to provide actual First Responder First Aid before escorting these injured persons to the hiding and cowering Ambulance crews, and then acting as the Actual Firefighter by actually putting out fires with his Fire Extinguisher?
Obviously, yes. Kyle was the ACTUAL First Responder, while the "official first responders," in fact actually second responders behind Kyle, were hiding and cowering from the hooligans and criminals.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I wasn't disputing the verdict. I was disputing JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to go running around armed because he - Rittenhouse - was a 'first responder'. That's all I was pointing out. It had nothing to do with the verdict.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Or was he a self-important busy-body, self-assigned and self-promoted?Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Like I said from the very first post of this thread 'what the fuck was that kid doing'
but the legal trial wasn't about if the kid was doing something dumb, was he a bit stupid and young, was he unwise
or did he have the right to defend himself?
...it not about being totally innocent of stupidity
its that he was found 'Not Guilty' that's what the final outcome of the trial was
Quote:Sometimes I wonder just how much work you put into being stupid.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:I was specifically responding to JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to be out there doing what he was doing because he, Rittenhouse, was some kind of 'first responder' - which he definitely wasn't. And in general, Rittenhouse had as much right to be out there, armed or not, as anybody ... considering there was an 8PM curfew, that means, not much.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He didn't?
You seem to think the Real World is just an academic exercise.
It's called "the rule of law". It should apply equally to everyone, no matter how sympathetic you may be to someone's cause.
Otherwise you're just like all those BLM/SJW rationalizers, only on the opposite side.
BTW, what's wrong with academic exercise? You might want to exercise your brain, academically, once in a while. Keep the ole noggin in shape.
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BTW, yes it's a minor point. A nitpick, if you will. Kyle was NOT a "first responder". If I were you I'd just concede the point and move on, it's not worth defending.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I wasn't disputing the verdict. I was disputing JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to go running around armed because he - Rittenhouse - was a 'first responder'. That's all I was pointing out. It had nothing to do with the verdict.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Or was he a self-important busy-body, self-assigned and self-promoted?Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Like I said from the very first post of this thread 'what the fuck was that kid doing'
but the legal trial wasn't about if the kid was doing something dumb, was he a bit stupid and young, was he unwise
or did he have the right to defend himself?
...it not about being totally innocent of stupidity
its that he was found 'Not Guilty' that's what the final outcome of the trial wasQuote:Sometimes I wonder just how much work you put into being stupid.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:I was specifically responding to JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to be out there doing what he was doing because he, Rittenhouse, was some kind of 'first responder' - which he definitely wasn't. And in general, Rittenhouse had as much right to be out there, armed or not, as anybody ... considering there was an 8PM curfew, that means, not much.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He didn't?
You seem to think the Real World is just an academic exercise.
It's called "the rule of law". It should apply equally to everyone, no matter how sympathetic you may be to someone's cause.
Otherwise you're just like all those BLM/SJW rationalizers, only on the opposite side.
Incorrect take.
Actions have consequences. BLM/SJW are the instigators. Always. Always the instigators.
Our politicians told the people responsible for making sure chaos like we saw during half of 2020 to stand down and allow it to happen.
If that ever happens again, I expect more people to defend them, theirs and their communities next time.
It is no longer vigilantism when the people who are supposed to be first responders are handcuffed by the system.
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Quote:Canadians are expecting more of the same from Americans, too, but at least one Canadian thinks only government should be enforcing laws with lethal weapons. There are not any policemen that are 17 years old, as was Rittenhouse:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If that ever happens again, I expect more people to defend them, theirs and their communities next time.
It is no longer vigilantism when the people who are supposed to be first responders are handcuffed by the system.
Kyle Rittenhouse’s acquittal exposes an illness in the United States, but not one with its courts
John Huber and Karen Bloom, the parents of Anthony Huber – one of the two men killed by Kyle Rittenhouse in August of 2020 – released a statement shortly after Mr. Rittenhouse was acquitted:
“Today’s verdict means there is no accountability for the person who murdered our son,” Mr. Huber’s parents said. “It sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence and then use the danger they have created to justify shooting people in the street.”
Though the statement was intended to be an argument about the potential consequences of the jury’s decision, it instead read like a statement of fact about the conditions already in place because of open-carry laws in the United States. The reality is that in certain states, armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence and then use the danger they have created to legally justify shooting people in the street. That’s why Mr. Rittenhouse’s acquittal was legally just – even if, to Canadian observers, it might seem profoundly, morally unfair.
The defence didn’t have to prove that Mr. Rittenhouse was acting in self-defence when he travelled to Wisconsin from Illinois and shot three people during protests after the police shooting of Jacob Blake. Legally, the burden was on the state, and it had to disprove the claim that Mr. Rittenhouse feared for his life in the moments just before he fired his weapon.
Wisconsin’s laws on self-defence, provocation and the use of deadly force are complicated, but generally speaking, legally it didn’t matter if Mr. Rittenhouse was patrolling downtown Kenosha with a semi-automatic rifle that night looking for trouble (or if, as he testified, he was there merely as an extremely well-armed medic). Legally it didn’t matter that he was clearly responsible for the deaths of two men, who would likely be alive today had Mr. Rittenhouse stuck with playing Call of Duty at home, instead of acting out a wannabe teen-militia fantasy. And legally it didn’t matter if the presence of his weapon raised the temperature of the scene in Kenosha, and potentially incited others to violence.
What legally mattered was whether the state could prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Mr. Rittenhouse did not believe he was at risk. If jurors simply didn’t know whether he genuinely feared for his life (i.e. they had reasonable doubt) – they could not return a guilty verdict.
The tragedy of the case is not that Mr. Rittenhouse escaped conviction; the jury followed the law. The tragedy, rather, is that a 17-year-old kid could wander the streets with a military-style semi-automatic weapon and not be convicted of even a misdemeanour, thanks to an absurdity in Wisconsin law that permits minors to possess rifles as long as the barrel exceeds a certain length. The tragedy is that Mr. Rittenhouse has been turned into a cultural hero by U.S. right-wing fanatics (who seem to have discriminating opinions on vigilante justice), when his actions have proven him to be more of an anarchic child who, by even the most charitable read of his intentions, is not nearly as brave as his gunslinging and past social media posts would suggest.
The tragedy is that two men are now dead and there will be no consequences. And the tragedy is that in a country where guns are so ubiquitous, and where they can be carried openly during tense and volatile situations, this same deadly scenario can be repeated over and over again. Someone can brin
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Fuck you Second.
You're responsible for all of this.
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