Got suspended from work.

POSTED BY: Gorramreavers
UPDATED: Saturday, January 22, 2005 20:31
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SIMONWHO

Friday, January 21, 2005 9:53 AM

>> I'd rather be a wage slave any day, than a wage slaveowner. Nobody ever got to be rich without first lusting after more than their rightful share, and then exploiting the efforts of others to take and keep it.

What is someone's "rightful share"? And surely if you believe that paying people a wage is "exploiting" them, then you must agree with Ruxton's idea that if you work for someone else, you're a slave?

For what it's worth, I think he's wrong. For one thing, the very definition of "slave" means that you don't get paid for it. Given that there are still actual slaves in this world, I think it's a bit much to claim ownership of that label when you're earning tens of thousands of dollars a year.

For another thing, some people like working in a company. You get the company of others, you get told what to do, you get fringe benefits like paid holidays and so forth. Plus you get money which can be used in exchange for goods and services.

So what if what you do makes somebody else money? When you buy a loaf of bread, you're paying more than it cost for them to make it. Should you refuse to buy anything because you think you're being exploited?

MALICIOUS

Friday, January 21, 2005 1:52 PM

Ruxton,

This is a thread "dovoted" to someone who needed some commiseration. Those of us who commiserated gave him some support. Should you not wish to do the same, you are more than welcome to NOT.

And bite me regarding the "toeing" the line. In my 41 years on this planet, I have never seen the phrase in print, I've only heard it and assumed it was used as if "towing" a vehicle.

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

BROWNCOAT1

Friday, January 21, 2005 1:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
We're people who've made mistakes ourselves, and over the course of our lifetimes, have tried to improve on those mistakes. We feel that this experience may be helpful to 'reavers.

The reason people are responding is to try and help another human being. Ponder this in some depth, before repeatedly insulting those who have sympathy for a guy who's struggling...

Instructively,

zoid

P.S.
I'd rather be a wage slave any day, than a wage slaveowner. Nobody ever got to be rich without first lusting after more than their rightful share, and then exploiting the efforts of others to take and keep it.

Well said Zoid, though I doubt there is one among us who would expect less from the most eloquent of Browncoats.

I can see Ruxton's point about being a business owner instead of an employee, and have even at times had some thoughts along the lines of how I bring in millions of dollars in revenue per year w/ my ideas and hard work, and how relatively little I get paid in return. The thought has occured to me many times that I could and do deserve better. I do however realize my own limitations when it comes to trying to own and operate my own business.

Honestly my wife is the financial wizard in our home, and she proves it by running not one, but now two small businesses. With her plan she will be able to sell them both and retire in the next 10 years and be set for life.

My point is, as Zoid pointed out, not everyone can be an owner. If they could, who would work for us? How would anything get done if everyone is a boss and there are no employees. That is like an army of generals and not one soldier to implement the orders. Maybe you just didn't give your post too much thought Ruxton, but it truly is illogical and impractical.

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GORRAMREAVERS

Friday, January 21, 2005 4:56 PM

Dietcoke:

Yes, I am a shift worker. Hourly pay. Good bennies.
We outsource out 3rd shift so nobody is waiting to leave their cube when I get in. I have considered asking to move to a 10-6 shift but we shall see.

I am not in a position to start my own buisness so I had better find some big red shoes and some makeup.
I enjoy my steady job and the people I help.

"..it is my very favorite gun."

BLINKER

Friday, January 21, 2005 8:44 PM

Quote:
After a couple of weeks of this, Harry asked me in front of the whole unit (including the OIC) why I wasn't coming in early anymore. "You make the flight run smooth and I like smooth."

I looked at him and said, "MSgt Richardson, I don't have to be early. But. I. Do. Have. To. Be. On. Time."

Guess what. He still didn't get it. Moron.

I'll say. He butchered that quote! A better reading might have gone:

"When a man engages in military maneuvers, he has this preference for things being smooth." [points at Knibblet in front of the whole unit] "She makes things not be smooth."

Point-missingly,

z...er, Blinker

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REGINAROADIE

Saturday, January 22, 2005 2:44 AM

For the one year that I worked at McDonalds, I always showed up about five to ten minutes early so that when I punched in, I would punch in exactly the time I started. I have OCD, so I'm a bit anal when it comes to starting at an exact time.

As for work experience, I have plenty. For the most part, I work at my dad's seed cleaning plant. It used to be a full time thing, but after I started to go to high school in Regina, and then college, I would only work there on either holidays, weekends and summers. I try to land a job here in the city, but the best I could do was work at a McDonalds for a year (which is long enough for anyone to work in a fast food joint.) Most other jobs I landed I only lasted a month in. These included two pizza delivery places, another seed plant, and this one textiles place I helped set up the drywall of. The first one I left because of a mutual agreement, the second I quit because I wasn't getting enough hours, the third I left because there was too much responsibility attached to my position (plus I kept getting allergic reactions to the canary seed dust), and the fourth I was actually fired from because I wasn't doing the job fast enough for them. I like to be careful and take my time when I'm building something, and they just wanted to rush the place. And I also worked for a day on two tv shows being shot here in Regina.

But I'm optimistic. I started up a small business of doing wedding videos (The Wedding Shooter) to supplement my income. And I'm currently looking for both part time jobs and summer jobs as well. My ultimate goal is to land a summer job working as a grip on CORNER GAS. It's this Canadian sit-com set in the praries that's become huge. I worked there for a day last summer (Sept 2nd, which is all the more special for me since it's my birthday) and got paid $17 an hour. So while I'll be searching for other summer jobs (if worse comes to worse I can just work at my folks place again), that's the main one I'll be looking to get. As for part time work, there's a miniseries based on Tommy Douglas that's shooting during my winter break, so I'll try like Hell to land a week working for them.

I know what it's like to work a small business and why most of them go under so quickly. I wanted this because I was tired of dropping off resumes and filling out application forms. And it pisses me off to see all these job offerings for jobs that require far more experience and education that I have. There arn't much job openings for a 19 year old with a lot of labor work on his resume trying to earn a degree in film.

And I think that part of the appeal of FIREFLY is it's ability to capture the plight of the common working man perfectly.

Agree/disagree?

"NO HAI ES BANDAI. THERE IS....NO.....BAND. AND YET....WE HEAR A BAND."

MONTANAGIRL

Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:10 AM

I know I'm a bit late, but *hug*. Just remember: Life is unfair. But it would be much worse if all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them.

And since I work for someone else and I've now offered you sympathy for your situation, where's my clown nose?

Packer fans welcome.
All others tolerated.

SYRYN

Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:12 AM

sorry to hear, hope you enjoy the long weekend.
i got fired once, not exactly the same thing but i was dumbfounded. it was STUPID.
It was the sunday after thanks giving. I'd filled in for a boss earlier in the week, only had the previous tuesday off, worked on thanksgiving wich was normally a day off (was glad to get the extra hours, worked 12 hours that thanks day instead of the 6 i'd been scheduled for), came in the friday, worked from 4:30pm-2:30am, came back in saturday at 6am-3pm, then walked in at 6am on sunday and the area manager must have been in a bad mood...i was slipping my card in the clock, he yelled at me "don't bother, you don't work here anymore, get out of my store!!! ....(i'm in amazement)...NOW!"
so i left. my bosses at the store begged me to come in the next day to talk about it.
the area manager said i was "too enthusiastic and serious about the job."
i told them i could "just get another job, adios. that that was really screwed up"
needless to say, my immediate bosses begged me to go to re-hire board, contest it and come back to work. i did, i loved my job.

just makin it up as i go (I.Jones)

OLDFAN45

Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reginaroadie:
And I think that part of the appeal of FIREFLY is it's ability to capture the plight of the common working man perfectly.

Agree/disagree?

I agree completely. Mal is always responsible for getting work to feed/clothe/house his family of eight others. No one works harder than the boss, esp if s/he is also the owner. I used to be a partner in a literary agency, and my partner and I paid everyone else before we paid ourselves. Otherwise we wouldn't have had an assistant...or a phone...or any clients.

Gorramreavers...I just got fired from a corporate job for making a mistake. I made well over a million dollars for them last year, and they fired me for making a mistake. This is the nature of things, though, if "they" don't like you (I was vocal in my absence of respect for my immediate supervisor, so my mouth got me fired). Is it possible that this is the case here? I mean, is there anything you can think of that makes the ISPbots you work for not "like" (how high school a term, but still accurate I fear) you? Just looking to set your mind on a different track than frustration.

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