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Critical Race Theory 'I'm out'

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THG

Tuesday, November 2, 2021 9:07 PM

I think teaching about slavery in school has become a necessity. However critical race theory is structured in such a way it teaches hate white America not slavery. It doesn’t take into account it was never about racism (color) but instead about economics.

Although it is difficult to pinpoint the exact year that slavery began, historians can trace the roots of slavery back roughly 11,000 years. It is difficult to track because its origins predate historical recording and the written word. Due to the sociological makeup of the groups, we know that slavery wasn’t a part of hunter-gatherer societies, so the first identifiable evidence of slavery comes from Hammurabi out of Mesopotamia. A time when communities began to emerge. People began to settle and farm the land.

Sumeria is still thought to be the birthplace of slavery, which grew out of Sumer into Greece and other parts of ancient Mesopotamia. Slavery in ancient times typically came about as a result of debt, birth into a slave family, child abandonment, war, or as a punishment for crime.

European slaves became wildly popular throughout Muslim countries, marking the true beginning of the global slave trade.

Throughout this period in history, Vikings were also taking slaves across Europe, concentrating heavily on The British Isles. Additionally, Spain and Portugal were in an almost constant state of Holy War between Muslims and Christians, leading to many women and children being taken into slavery in the name of God or Allah.

Throughout the Middle Ages slavery was also taking root in Asia as Islamic invasions of India resulted in the enslavement of hundreds of thousands of Indians. One historical record shows that in the year 1001 the armies of Mahmud of Ghazna conquered Peshawar and Waihand, capturing and enslaving roughly 100,000 children and young people.

During this same time period in China, documents show that royals from the Tang Dynasty purchased many European and Jewish slaves. The soldiers and pirates who serve the Tang Dynasty also took countless slaves in raids on Korea, Turkey, Persia and Indonesia as well as thousands of slaves taken from indigenous Aboriginal tribes.

Research from the Global Slavery Index shows that North Korea, Uzbekistan, Cambodia, India, and Qatar have the highest percentage of slavery among their population. In North Korea roughly 4.37% of the population is enslaved, most of these by the North Korean government who force them into slavery, even selling them to work abroad in Russia, China and even the United States? In India, modern day slavery often involves debt bondage, where individuals are forced into to slavery to pay off debt, either their own or from previous generations.

This is just some of what should be taught so people can put slavery into its proper context. Not the condensed version the makes America (white people), out to be the stand alone culture, race, to practice it. All races, all cultures, all faiths sanctioned and partook in slavery. And most slaves throughout history may have been white?

Facts about SLAVERY They Don't Teach You at School

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SIGNYM
Wednesday, November 3, 2021 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
You are SIGNYM. You post under many different identities here; as does 1kiki.
I have always posted under SIGNYM, and ONLY under SIGNYM, except for a few weeks way back when, when I couldn't remember my password and had to create a new account under JKIDDO.

BTW, SIGNYM comes from a character, Signy Mallory, in the CJ Cherryh scifi book, Downbelow Station. As far as I understand, in order to create a new account, each one needs a unique email address. I don't have multiple email addresses, and the one that I DO log in under is defunct: it belongs to an email account that no longer exists, with a password that is unrelated to any of my others. I value my privacy.

You imagine that I'm far smarter than I really am, constructing different personas with different spellings and grammar and PsOV. But - why bother? I'm way too busy to deal with that kind of shit. I can't imagine what you would have thought of GINOBIFFARONI and KWICKO and SARGEX and other people far smarter than me. They would have made your head explode.

But I suppose I'll never convince you of that.

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SIGNYM
Wednesday, November 3, 2021 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by THG:

I think teaching about slavery in school has become a necessity.
I was taught about slavery in junior high and HS, the 60s, when it was all the fashion to teach about African Kingdoms. I learned, for example, that Timbuktu is NOT some mythical place far off the ends of the earth, but was the actual center of a kingdom in what is now Mali.

Did they STOP teaching about slavery since then?

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However critical race theory is structured in such a way it teaches hate white America not slavery. It doesn’t take into account it was never about racism (color) but instead about economics.
True, that.

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Although it is difficult to pinpoint the exact year that slavery began, historians can trace the roots of slavery back roughly 11,000 years. It is difficult to track because its origins predate historical recording and the written word. Due to the sociological makeup of the groups, we know that slavery wasn’t a part of hunter-gatherer societies, so the first identifiable evidence of slavery comes from Hammurabi out of Mesopotamia. A time when communities began to emerge. People began to settle and farm the land.

Sumeria is still thought to be the birthplace of slavery, which grew out of Sumer into Greece and other parts of ancient Mesopotamia. Slavery in ancient times typically came about as a result of debt, birth into a slave family, child abandonment, war, or as a punishment for crime.

European slaves became wildly popular throughout Muslim countries, marking the true beginning of the global slave trade.

Throughout this period in history, Vikings were also taking slaves across Europe, concentrating heavily on The British Isles. Additionally, Spain and Portugal were in an almost constant state of Holy War between Muslims and Christians, leading to many women and children being taken into slavery in the name of God or Allah.

Throughout the Middle Ages slavery was also taking root in Asia as Islamic invasions of India resulted in the enslavement of hundreds of thousands of Indians. One historical record shows that in the year 1001 the armies of Mahmud of Ghazna conquered Peshawar and Waihand, capturing and enslaving roughly 100,000 children and young people.

During this same time period in China, documents show that royals from the Tang Dynasty purchased many European and Jewish slaves. The soldiers and pirates who serve the Tang Dynasty also took countless slaves in raids on Korea, Turkey, Persia and Indonesia as well as thousands of slaves taken from indigenous Aboriginal tribes.

Research from the Global Slavery Index shows that North Korea, Uzbekistan, Cambodia, India, and Qatar have the highest percentage of slavery among their population. In North Korea roughly 4.37% of the population is enslaved, most of these by the North Korean government who force them into slavery, even selling them to work abroad in Russia, China and even the United States? In India, modern day slavery often involves debt bondage, where individuals are forced into to slavery to pay off debt, either their own or from previous generations.

This is just some of what should be taught so people can put slavery into its proper context. Not the condensed version the makes America (white people), out to be the stand alone culture, race, to practice it. All races, all cultures, all faiths sanctioned and partook in slavery. And most slaves throughout history may have been white?
Also, Africans practiced slavery. They forget to teach that, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa

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THG
Wednesday, November 3, 2021 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
You are SIGNYM. You post under many different identities here; as does 1kiki.
I have always posted under SIGNYM, and ONLY under SIGNYM, except for a few weeks way back when, when I couldn't remember my password and had to create a new account under JKIDDO.

BTW, SIGNYM comes from a character, Signy Mallory, in the CJ Cherryh scifi book, Downbelow Station. As far as I understand, in order to create a new account, each one needs a unique email address. I don't have multiple email addresses, and the one that I DO log in under is defunct: it belongs to an email account that no longer exists, with a password that is unrelated to any of my others. I value my privacy.

You imagine that I'm far smarter than I really am, constructing different personas with different spellings and grammar and PsOV. But - why bother? I'm way too busy to deal with that kind of shit. I can't imagine what you would have thought of GINOBIFFARONI and KWICKO and SARGEX and other people far smarter than me. They would have made your head explode.

But I suppose I'll never convince you of that.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I don't imagine you as smart. I see you as an idiot who is a liar.

T

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 3, 2021 1:30 AM

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THUGR: You are SIGNYM. You post under many different identities here; as does 1kiki.

SIGNYM: I have always posted under SIGNYM, and ONLY under SIGNYM, except for a few weeks way back when, when I couldn't remember my password and had to create a new account under JKIDDO.

BTW, SIGNYM comes from a character, Signy Mallory, in the CJ Cherryh scifi book, Downbelow Station. As far as I understand, in order to create a new account, each one needs a unique email address. I don't have multiple email addresses, and the one that I DO log in under is defunct: it belongs to an email account that no longer exists, with a password that is unrelated to any of my others. I value my privacy.

You imagine that I'm far smarter than I really am, constructing different personas with different spellings and grammar and PsOV. But - why bother? I'm way too busy to deal with that kind of shit. I can't imagine what you would have thought of GINOBIFFARONI and KWICKO and SARGEX and other people far smarter than me. They would have made your head explode.

But I suppose I'll never convince you of that.

THUGR: I don't imagine you as smart. I see you as an idiot who is a liar.

Anyway, thanks for the explanation about CRT and what you find objectionable. FWIW, I have the same objection, plus a few more.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

1KIKI

Wednesday, November 3, 2021 1:49 AM

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It doesn’t take into account it was never about racism (color) but instead about economics.

Racism definitely comes into play. In order to do what they did, slave traders and owners had to think of 'negroes' as an inferior humans, or maybe not even humans. Whole treatises and categories of thinking were devoted to describing how inferior slaves were. It was even enshrined in the Constitution, when slaves were not counted a fully human beings.

BTW there was also a lot of I believe British slave trade in and out of S America at the time, and Indians and Asians (mostly Chinese) were also subject to the same stereotypes and 'thinking'.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, November 3, 2021 5:21 AM

darn it, I lost my JAYNESTOWN login password....

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 3, 2021 6:12 AM

I'd say that your take on this issue is pretty based, Ted.

I do hope that you realize that if this were Twitter and not the RWED, people would be calling for your head now.

I'm glad that you finally figured out that you can be against the current Narrative and not be racist at the same time.

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SECOND

Wednesday, November 3, 2021 6:31 AM

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Not for it, no way...

T

Critical race theory is not new or particularly novel but it has, all of a sudden, become a hot-button issue for conservatives -- thanks in large part to Fox News' decision to put it front and center in their daily programming.

For the record, here's what critical race theory actually is -- courtesy of Education Week:

"Critical race theory is an academic concept that is more than 40 years old. The core idea is that race is a social construct, and that racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies. ... A good example is when, in the 1930s, government officials literally drew lines around areas deemed poor financial risks, often explicitly due to the racial composition of inhabitants. Banks subsequently refused to offer mortgages to Black people in those areas."

And here's another helpful explainer via Brookings:

"CRT does not attribute racism to white people as individuals or even to entire groups of people. Simply put, critical race theory states that U.S. social institutions (e.g., the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/02/politics/2024-election-election-fraud-t
rump/index.html

That is all very theoretical. How about in practice? When the most lethal storm in U.S. history hit Galveston, Texas, in 1900, as Al Roker describes it in his book “The Storm of the Century,” “white soldiers forced Black men at gunpoint to the front lines of the most horrifying labor that any city could ever face,” which included loading hundreds of corpses onto a barge to be dumped at sea. After the Great Okeechobee Hurricane struck southern Florida, in 1928, three-fourths of those killed were migrant agricultural workers, most of them Black. Local officials conscripted the survivors to bury the dead in mass graves — pine coffins were primarily reserved for white victims — and, when some refused, they were denied food, or shot dead.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211102153112/https://www.newyorker.com/m
agazine/2021/11/08/the-migrant-workers-who-follow-climate-disasters

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 3, 2021 6:45 AM

Yup. It's bullshit.

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