Is the military still under civilian control?
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Quote:Did you see the Shrek cartoon? Shrek the ogre is sad because he can't find a fat, green mate to live in the swamp and love his ugly self. But then Shrek finds Princess Fiona, who changes back and forth between human and ogre. Signym and 6ix found Trump, their Princess Fiona. In this clip from Shrek, love conquers all. Trump and his Trumptards will live happily ever after:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:This from the guy who hates republicans, nationalists, and anyone who disagrees with him.
Originally posted by second:
I heard a simpler version of the argument you are making when I was a child: "I'm rubber. You're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." 6ix, none of following stick to me. You are the one addicted to nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, marijuana, Trump, misogyny, racism, Islamophobia.Quote:This from the guy who ROUTINELY claims that others are "inferior" in a multitude of ways?
Those are just the ones I remember. 6ix, your superiority complex is hanging out where anybody can see,
SECOND, your lack of self-reflection and insight is a astonishing, and a lesson to anyone who reads your posts!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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US House approves $1 billion for Israel's Iron Dome defense system
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/23/politics/iron-dome-house-vote/index
.html
It looks like the House is working for the US military - and Israel - and not the US. Can one say the military is under civilian control when the civilians are doing what the military tells them to?
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Quote:The Iron Dome money will be spent in America because Raytheon builds it. You'll find that the Congressmen who voted for Iron Dome own Raytheon stock, so they kind of are paying themselves.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
US House approves $1 billion for Israel's Iron Dome defense system
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/23/politics/iron-dome-house-vote/index
.html
It looks like the House is working for the US military - and Israel - and not the US. Can one say the military is under civilian control when the civilians are doing what the military tells them to?
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2020/08/03/raytheon-and-rafael-to-bui
ld-iron-dome-in-us/
The Members of Congress Who Profit From War. Here are the senators and representatives who own stock in Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and other top defense contractors.
https://prospect.org/power/the-members-of-congress-who-profit-from-war/
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You'll find that the Congressmen who voted for Iron Dome own Raytheon stock, so they kind of are paying themselves.
https://prospect.org/power/the-members-of-congress-who-profit-from-war/
Quote:Even your own link doesn't pretend that 420 members of the House have stock in Raytheon.
The final vote was 420-9 with two present. Eight Democrats and one Republican voted against the bill.
So, no, it's not about members of the House owning Raytheon stock.
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Quote:Don't be stupid about these things, 1kiki. Most of Congress reads no more than a damn bill's name before they vote on it. Those empty-heads will take their cues on how to vote from committee chairmen.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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You'll find that the Congressmen who voted for Iron Dome own Raytheon stock, so they kind of are paying themselves.
https://prospect.org/power/the-members-of-congress-who-profit-from-war/Quote:Even your own link doesn't pretend that 420 members of the House have stock in Raytheon.
The final vote was 420-9 with two present. Eight Democrats and one Republican voted against the bill.
So, no, it's not about members of the House owning Raytheon stock.
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At least Second seems to be starting to just throw both sides of the government under the bus indiscriminately, as they should be.
Maybe I was wrong that he can never grow.
All it took was less than one year of the worst President* that America's ever had, huh?
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Quote:How does Congress make a decision? Same way office workers going to lunch do. There are dozens of restaurants within walking distance of the office. To get at least half of the workers to go to just one restaurant will require somebody to buy a round of drinks for everybody. In the case of Congress, somebody (could be Raytheon) has to buy a round of drinks for Congress to get at least half of them to vote for one particular bill or go to one restaurant. The decision making in Congress is that simple and stupid. But Raytheon is smart and knows how Congress works.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At least Second seems to be starting to just throw both sides of the government under the bus indiscriminately, as they should be.
Maybe I was wrong that he can never grow.
All it took was less than one year of the worst President* that America's ever had, huh?
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No shit.
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Quote:I bet you didn't notice that decision making method used by Generals is just as stupid as by Congress. Why wouldn't it be stupid, despite the different subject matter of decisions made? Both Congress and the Generals are Americans:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No shit.
At least several hundred thousand noncombatants have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the number is probably far higher. What happened in Kabul last month is a case study of all the pathologies of denial poured into one tragedy.
You might think that the Pentagon would be scrambling to find a general to take the fall for what can no longer be denied: that the U.S. military killed 10 innocent Afghans on August 29, called it a “righteous strike” against terrorists, and then had to admit the truth after journalists found out what happened. But don’t bet your bitcoin on it. The military is already saying that standard targeting protocols were followed for the Kabul attack; the problem was a faulty assumption or two, we meant well, next time we’ll do better.
The generals are in a corner. If they admit that the Kabul massacre is resignation-worthy — and in a healthy society, a massacre would be — they would have to admit that resignations should have occurred after the multitude of U.S. bombings and attacks in the past 20 years that killed large numbers of civilians doing nothing more sinister than attending a wedding party, seeking care at a hospital, or picking pine nuts. The Kabul bombing was an outlier only in the amount of attention it received; the killing of civilians has proven to be an extremely common event of the 9/11 wars.
The generals who have overseen two decades of carnage in Afghanistan and Iraq are inept at winning wars, but they possess one skill in abundance: a knack for avoiding career consequences for their too-many-to-count errors. The generals, as well as the politicians who approve ever-rising military budgets, have managed to lull the country to sleep with a euphemistic lullaby about what they want us to limply understand as an infrequent phenomenon of “collateral damage.”
Andrew Bacevich is a retired Army colonel who is one of the most prominent intellectual critics of American foreign and military policy. On the 20th anniversary of 9/11, he published a lightly noticed article proposing a wholesale clearance of the nation’s military leadership due to their losing streak. Its winking title was “A Modest Proposal: Fire All of the Post 9/11 Generals” — but Bacevich stressed that his piece was not a Swiftian satire.
“Allow me to suggest … a purge,” he wrote. “Oblige all active duty three- and four-star generals (and admirals) to retire forthwith. Rebuild the ranks of the senior officer corps with members of a younger generation willing and able to acknowledge the shortcomings of recent American military leadership at the top.”
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210923215009/https://theintercept.com/20
21/09/23/military-generals-fire-kabul/
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No shit dude.
Hey. Maybe we have before us one of those rare instances where we found some common ground.
We're over there causing mayhem because it lines the pockets of the truly rich and powerful, meanwhile, we're letting invaders in our country and doing nothing about it.
The US Federal government has failed and should be dismantled.
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