I think I have delta
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Monday, August 12, 2024 16:32
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Quote:I've had the same issues. The only thing I can suggest to try, to make sure it's not dehydration, is to make sure to drink at least a liter of H2O a day.
I have an underlying heart condition that is related to an ACE2 deficiency, so the virus is probably less virulent in me, but I've had much of the weakness. I think to the outside I would now appear to be an "Asymptomatic Carrier" but I'm plenty not well. I'm just not sick in a straightforward symptomatic way, I'm weak and sweat easily if I try to do anything. Heart rate is not as high as it was. This morning it was 53 when I got up. Hasn't really gone above 90 all day. But orthostatic intolerance is a major issue for me now
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it's def not dehydration
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
That test is certainly the camel's nose under the medical privacy tent FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE IT.
Duh.
And since ppl have no problem with giving away their privacy AND their free speech to 'social media', other corporations besides social media, and the government, not to mention people who give their thinking over to the m$m and google, I imagine there might be a substantial number of people interested.
Not me. Not you. Not DT. But other people might make that choice.
So, are you now all of the sudden for censorship so no one can post about these things? Are you now advocating not letting people have a choice in their own lives?
No. But you have 18 other threads dedicated to the fake virus.
You posted this info in DT's thread about his own health condition.
Seems are really STUPID place to put it.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
That test is certainly the camel's nose under the medical privacy tent FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE IT.
Not me. Not you. Not DT. But other people might make that choice.
So, are you now all of the sudden for censorship so no one can post about these things? Are you now advocating not letting people have a choice in their own lives?
No. But you have 18 other threads dedicated to the fake virus.
You posted this info in DT's thread about his own health condition.
Seems are really STUPID place to put it.
Thanks, but I thought it was fine. I'm here on social media sacrificing some privacy for survival advice, as a person with coronavirus.
My symptoms have drifted to what I'm not describing as an approximately "asymptomatic carrier" state. By which I mean, if I went into a hospital and they did an antibody test on me, checked my vitals, they would find me to not have covid, so I tend to say I don't actually have covid, since that's COronaVIrus Disease, and I don't have the symptomatic disease, I have the virus.
I'm guessing here, but it's a solid educated guess. I had day-for-day the same symptom changes as my employee who now has COVID. I don't think he was exposed to a secondary infection. I think two minor details separate us. I have an ACE2 deficiency, and he got drunk the night he got sick, by himself, drinking Corona, but I don't think it was the Corona that had the corona. I think he already had it, like me.
I worry that the virus will continue to destroy tissue if my immune system fails to recognize it and at the same time I worry that I will develop and autoimmune condition if my immune system does recognize it.
Another possibility that I've considered is that at some point I got over the actual virus, and no longer have it, and I'm experiencing the extreme weakness from residual additional ACE2 receptor loss.
I suspect, if that's not the case, if I were to have a PCR test done, it would show that I did have coronavirus. That said, I'm not inviting my employee back to work. I don't think that coronavirus is actually airborne, and I don't think he could infect me, but I'm just not going to make judgment calls on my own guesses, especially regarding the health of customers.
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Quote:Well - I was out walking during lunch once day with a coworker and came really, really close to passing out. You know - ears ringing, vision grey around the edges etc. And I felt completely unplugged- no steam, high HR. It was the second ambulance ride I ever took in my life (the first was for an asthma attack where I couldn't breathe). Anyway, I got put on a stretcher in a nice cool ER room and infused with 1L of normal saline, and that me good to go. I never would have guessed dehydration. But the warm weather greatly expanded my CVS, which caused my relative blood volume to go down, which created all sorts of havoc. My experience has made me cautious about that.
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
it's def not dehydration
But if you're convinced - then OK! At least you feel you can rule that out.
Quote:Their antibody tests are far more sensitive than the you-do home one. The brand you used has a really high specificity (it won't call something that's not COVID-19 to be COVID-19; but pretty low sensitivity, it misses about a third of known positives). That's the exact opposite of what you want in a screening test. where you want to catch as many positives as possible, even at the cost of false positives. Those positives can then be retested as a VASTLY reduced population, with a more specific test to weed out the false positives from the true positives.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
if I went into a hospital and they did an antibody test on me, checked my vitals, they would find me to not have covid
Anyway, the test called for repeat testing 3 days later. Given the weakness of the test - insensitivity - I'd say a negative isn't necessarily a negative, but a positive is almost surely a positive.
Also, I haven't looked into the technology. Given that it's an ANTIBODY test, and that the antibody one finds in abundance on mucous membranes is IgA, I'm guessing (but it's only a guess) that it tests for IgA. But a substantial portion of the population has no detectable IgA (for many reasons, I won't go into that unless you want me to). Based on at least 3 stacked ifs !!!, it's possible you would never test positive for COVID-19 with that test.
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Quote:Well - I was out walking during lunch once day with a coworker and came really, really close to passing out. You know - ears ringing, vision grey around the edges etc. And I felt completely unplugged- no steam, high HR. It was the second ambulance ride I ever took in my life (the first was for an asthma attack where I couldn't breathe). Anyway, I got put on a stretcher in a nice cool ER room and infused with 1L of normal saline, and that me good to go. I never would have guessed dehydration. But the warm weather greatly expanded my CVS, which caused my relative blood volume to go down, which created all sorts of havoc. My experience has made me cautious about that.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
it's def not dehydration
But if you're convinced - then OK! At least you feel you can rule that out.
Quote:Their antibody tests are far more sensitive than the you-do home one. The brand you used has a really high specificity (it won't call something that's not COVID-19 to be COVID-19; but pretty low sensitivity, it misses about a third of known positives). That's the exact opposite of what you want in a screening test. where you want to catch as many positives as possible, even at the cost of false positives. Those positives can then be retested as a VASTLY reduced population, with a more specific test to weed out the false positives from the true positives.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
if I went into a hospital and they did an antibody test on me, checked my vitals, they would find me to not have covid
Anyway, the test called for repeat testing 3 days later. Given the weakness of the test - insensitivity - I'd say a negative isn't necessarily a negative, but a positive is almost surely a positive.
Also, I haven't looked into the technology. Given that it's an ANTIBODY test, and that the antibody one finds in abundance on mucous membranes is IgA, I'm guessing (but it's only a guess) that it tests for IgA. But a substantial portion of the population has no detectable IgA (for many reasons, I won't go into that unless you want me to). Based on at least 3 stacked ifs !!!, it's possible you would never test positive for COVID-19 with that test.
1kiki
maybe you know more about the cardiovascular system than me, see what you make of this data
when I'm standing up, and pulse jumps to 80-90 bpm, not all the data changes
Lying down
respiratory rate 8/min
hr 50-60 bpm
PI% 10-15 (new data for me)
Standing up
respiratory rate 8/min
hr 80-90 bpm
PI% 4-5 (new data for me)
so clearly only one mechanism is responding. i think also logically it's the angiotensin with the lack of available ACE2 receptors to trigger vasoconstriction
It used to be, in my underlying condition, (which includes AFIB, a short term vagal vibration up to 400 bpm that used to be very strong, but now is weak, because of the berberine, but used to convince me i was going to die, now it's just only noticeable. maybe once or twice a day) anyway, what would happen with my orthostatic intollerance is it would correct only 50% of the imbalance from posture adjustment, and now it barely adjusts at all. like it'll jump to 90 and down to 80 or 85 even.
on dehydration
2 people in my family died of dehydration, and I also have hyponatremia. I consume water religiously in a measured fashion.
on the Binax, I read all that data, but there was a simpler answer: I have no covid symptoms that are the commonly known covid symptoms. I have the ones ER doctors know because they monitor endothelial inflammation and ACE2 receptor sensitivity. So I don't have the "joe walking down the street" ones like the cough, flu symptoms, etc.
Because those are all associated with the immune response. My employee didn't have them either until he zeked out. (had the immune response) prior
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Just in general - when bedside monitoring ppl for occult internal bleeding, HR is used as a casual indicator. An increased HR by ~10 BPM going from lying down to sitting is considered an indication of low blood volume (as would happen with internal occult bleeding), as is an increase of ~10BPM going from sitting to standing. So you're right at the cusp of having indications of low blood volume with change in posture. Obviously you don't think you're bleeding internally! But if could mean your body isn't responding to blood pooling on standing appropriately.
When it comes to PI% it's a little trickier. There are so many signals that affect peripheral circulation, including temperature. A quick and dirty test is to lightly press on a fingernail and let go. As you press on it, it bleaches out because you've squeezed the blood out of it. When you let go it should pink-up rapidly as the blood refills it. That way you know at least your circulation to your fingers is good. But again, a lot of things affect peripheral circulation.
I just want to point out that O-sats (O2 saturation) is a really good indicator of lung condition specifically. Your lungs are where gas exchange takes place, and if that's impaired your O-sats go down. If you O-sats are good, at least your lungs are in good shape. If they go down, it may mean that your lungs are bad (or that you're simply not breathing a normal rate and depth).
Except for 'happy hypoxics', your best detector is how you feel. If you feel OK, and your O-sats are OK, you're probably OK. If you feel awful, you're probably not doing so well.
And I get that a lot of symptoms that we associate with illness are really cytokines (distinct from antibodies) running through us, raising our temps, giving us headaches, and so on. But not all symptoms are cytokine-caused. Headaches can have other causes, for example.
Anyway, this is about enough for me for today!
I hope you improve soon.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Just in general - when bedside monitoring ppl for occult internal bleeding, HR is used as a casual indicator. An increased HR by ~10 BPM going from lying down to sitting is considered an indication of low blood volume (as would happen with internal occult bleeding), as is an increase of ~10BPM going from sitting to standing. So you're right at the cusp of having indications of low blood volume with change in posture. Obviously you don't think you're bleeding internally! But if could mean your body isn't responding to blood pooling on standing appropriately.
When it comes to PI% it's a little trickier. There are so many signals that affect peripheral circulation, including temperature. A quick and dirty test is to lightly press on a fingernail and let go. As you press on it, it bleaches out because you've squeezed the blood out of it. When you let go it should pink-up rapidly as the blood refills it. That way you know at least your circulation to your fingers is good. But again, a lot of things affect peripheral circulation.
I just want to point out that O-sats (O2 saturation) is a really good indicator of lung condition specifically. Your lungs are where gas exchange takes place, and if that's impaired your O-sats go down. If you O-sats are good, at least your lungs are in good shape. If they go down, it may mean that your lungs are bad (or that you're simply not breathing a normal rate and depth).
Except for 'happy hypoxics', your best detector is how you feel. If you feel OK, and your O-sats are OK, you're probably OK. If you feel awful, you're probably not doing so well.
And I get that a lot of symptoms that we associate with illness are really cytokines (distinct from antibodies) running through us, raising our temps, giving us headaches, and so on. But not all symptoms are cytokine-caused. Headaches can have other causes, for example.
Anyway, this is about enough for me for today!
I hope you improve soon.
I've had this low blood volume before, I'm pretty sure it's not that. Doesn't feel anything like it. that had a feeling of loss of energy faintness when standing, i'm not feeling that, not even a little. I think it's a regulatory error thing, the vasoconstriction. I've had a vasoconstriction problem for years, it used to be really bad, and now it's been minor for years, but it's back with this covid bug.
the o2 sat generally doesn't leave normal, or if it does, it's because of an error, it slipping on the finger or something. I've been religiously using the monitor not in a panicky way, but just because it's covid, and early on the readings were radical. HR would go up to 150 when standing, and that's also inefficient.
Now pulse is 60 atm, my respiratory rate is down to a very solid 4 breaths per minute, which these sites tell me is scarily slow, but my normal is more like 8, so slower than normal. still 4 is low for me.
The problem that i've had is that if i'm up and about doing stuff, like try to go to the grocery store or something, everything will degenerate quickly, i'll be back at 120 resting HR and difficulty breathing, etc. I'll also be really weak, have to stop to rest every 20 feet like i was 80 or something and then also have trouble carrying anything as heavy as a bag of groceries.
It's getting better over all, idk if this is the virus in decline or if it's just help from some supplements i was taking, or even my body just adjusting some autonomic system to compensate, but i'm still experiencing all those weaknesses if I go out and try to do anything.
Like maybe two weeks in, crossing the street would have been out of the question, in week three it would have done me in on the same level that a trip to the store now does me in.
not all symptoms are cytokine-caused, i know, but there is a lot of cytokine overkill specifically in covid. i'm not having as much of that
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Just in general - when bedside monitoring ppl for occult internal bleeding, HR is used as a casual indicator. An increased HR by ~10 BPM going from lying down to sitting is considered an indication of low blood volume (as would happen with internal occult bleeding), as is an increase of ~10BPM going from sitting to standing. So you're right at the cusp of having indications of low blood volume with change in posture. Obviously you don't think you're bleeding internally! But if could mean your body isn't responding to blood pooling on standing appropriately.
When it comes to PI% it's a little trickier. There are so many signals that affect peripheral circulation, including temperature. A quick and dirty test is to lightly press on a fingernail and let go. As you press on it, it bleaches out because you've squeezed the blood out of it. When you let go it should pink-up rapidly as the blood refills it. That way you know at least your circulation to your fingers is good. But again, a lot of things affect peripheral circulation.
I just want to point out that O-sats (O2 saturation) is a really good indicator of lung condition specifically. Your lungs are where gas exchange takes place, and if that's impaired your O-sats go down. If you O-sats are good, at least your lungs are in good shape. If they go down, it may mean that your lungs are bad (or that you're simply not breathing a normal rate and depth).
Except for 'happy hypoxics', your best detector is how you feel. If you feel OK, and your O-sats are OK, you're probably OK. If you feel awful, you're probably not doing so well.
And I get that a lot of symptoms that we associate with illness are really cytokines (distinct from antibodies) running through us, raising our temps, giving us headaches, and so on. But not all symptoms are cytokine-caused. Headaches can have other causes, for example.
Anyway, this is about enough for me for today!
I hope you improve soon.
I've had this low blood volume before, I'm pretty sure it's not that. Doesn't feel anything like it. that had a feeling of loss of energy faintness when standing, i'm not feeling that, not even a little. I think it's a regulatory error thing, the vasoconstriction. I've had a vasoconstriction problem for years, it used to be really bad, and now it's been minor for years, but it's back with this covid bug.
the o2 sat generally doesn't leave normal, or if it does, it's because of an error, it slipping on the finger or something. I've been religiously using the monitor not in a panicky way, but just because it's covid, and early on the readings were radical. HR would go up to 150 when standing, and that's also inefficient.
Now pulse is 60 atm, my respiratory rate is down to a very solid 4 breaths per minute, which these sites tell me is scarily slow, but my normal is more like 8, so slower than normal. still 4 is low for me.
The problem that i've had is that if i'm up and about doing stuff, like try to go to the grocery store or something, everything will degenerate quickly, i'll be back at 120 resting HR and difficulty breathing, etc. I'll also be really weak, have to stop to rest every 20 feet like i was 80 or something and then also have trouble carrying anything as heavy as a bag of groceries.
It's getting better over all, idk if this is the virus in decline or if it's just help from some supplements i was taking, or even my body just adjusting some autonomic system to compensate, but i'm still experiencing all those weaknesses if I go out and try to do anything.
Like maybe two weeks in, crossing the street would have been out of the question, in week three it would have done me in on the same level that a trip to the store now does me in.
not all symptoms are cytokine-caused, i know, but there is a lot of cytokine overkill specifically in covid. i'm not having as much of that
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I had bad orthostatic hypotension before. People who didn't know about it used to ask me what it was, and I used to say I stood up, but my blood didn't" which is to say that my blood vessels didn't constrict appropriately for the change of posture.
When I complained to my doctor about that and also generally low BP (I once felt so "unplugged I had hubby take my BP while lying down; it was 85/45) he just kind of laughed and said "EAT MORE SALT, DRINK MORE WATER".
It doesn't help to drink more water if you don't have enuf salt in your diet.
We found out the hard way. Hubby is what is called a "salt waster" (real thing, look it up) and was having all kinds of problems with his blood pressure. Sometimes it would shoot up, sometimes it would drop down, and his heart would stutter. It got to the point where we took a BP cuff and stethoscope every time we went to play tennis, when he would all at once feel profoundly tired and his heart would stutter.
They did all kinds of complicated tests in him including an IV pyelogram, a treadmill EKG (They started it, stopped, and got the crash cart) and a tested by cardio-endocrinologist. Meanwhile, they're telling him to reduce his salt intake. I recall one day he was chopping up an unused doghouse with a hand ax, and he called for me in a tone that told me Something Was Really Wrong, and when I ran out and saw him, he looked gray. When I tried to take his pulse I couldn't find a steady beat in there, anywhere.
Finally, one evening, when he was feeling like shit, I remember asking him what he ate that day. and when I added up all of the sodium for the day it was only 800 mg. This, for a guy who played racquetball four or more times and week and sweated pints of water -and associated salt!
So I asked him what the saltiest thing was that he liked, and he said "pickles". We didn't have any pickles, but we DID have ham. SO I shoved a package at him, went out and got some pickles and heavily salted up some leftovers and he felt better.
I wish I could say that was the last time that he had a problem, but he would forget to eat enough salt, and would occasionally crash. We wound up making up some "emergency pill bottles" of salt, like diabetics keep emergency glucose, and it did more or less end his problems.
I bring this up because you said you are HYPONATREMIC. That means, literally low (hypo) natr (sodium, the chemial symbol for sodium is Na for "natrium") emic (in the blood).
LOW BLOOD SODIUM.
For maybe three days, try adding a teaspoon of salt to your diet over the course of a day. Of course, drink water. See if that helps. Low salt is no joke: it causes unstable HR, unstable BP, profound fatigue, and confusion. People have even died of it.
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