Some Covid-19 thoughts
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UPDATED: Monday, September 29, 2025 18:59
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Well, see, this is where my responsibility/authority equation comes into play: If you claim the authority for what you do with your body, then you must also have the responsibility for what comes after.
If there are long-term sequelae to having had Covid-19 and someone cannot show tht they've been vaccinated, then they shouldn't be covered for those conditions using tax dollars/charity care. And if they pay for medical insurance, then their premiums should go up accordingly. It's like I think that smokers and the obese should pay higher premiums, and motorcycle riders without helmets and passengers without seatbelts shouldn't be covered for trauma care after an accident, and sky divers and other extreme-sports enthusiasts should have special (expen$ive) insurance to cover the cost of their hobbies injuring them.
People who act stupid shouldn't expect society to bail them out.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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I'd say that's one case where authority/ responsibility falls across a tidy dividing line (except for children under 18 who don't decide the care they get).
Not everything divides like that, for example various types of cholesterol levels, diabetes, asthma, etc since there are genetic, environmental (pollution, grocery store deserts, stressful society and neighborhood), and personal historical (access to medical care) components.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, see, this is where my responsibility/authority equation comes into play: If you claim the authority for what you do with your body, then you must also have the responsibility for what comes after.
If there are long-term sequelae to having had Covid-19 and someone cannot show tht they've been vaccinated, then they shouldn't be covered for those conditions using tax dollars/charity care. And if they pay for medical insurance, then their premiums should go up accordingly. It's like I think that smokers and the obese should pay higher premiums, and motorcycle riders without helmets and passengers without seatbelts shouldn't be covered for trauma care after an accident, and sky divers and other extreme-sports enthusiasts should have special (expen$ive) insurance to cover the cost of their hobbies injuring them.
People who act stupid shouldn't expect society to bail them out.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
This post makes a dubious assumption that there is a preventative connection between injecting yourself with a "vaccine" branded product which is legally not a vaccine and the reduced chances of getting a wild type coronavirus.
Since all coronavirus outbreaks appear to originate from the vaccinated, and spread to the other vaccinated preferentially, there is no basis for this assumption other than corporate say so. If you want, you can continually live in corporations never live fantasyland, but the taxpayer shouldn't have to bail you out for doing so
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Quote:Whatever.
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, see, this is where my responsibility/authority equation comes into play: If you claim the authority for what you do with your body, then you must also have the responsibility for what comes after.
If there are long-term sequelae to having had Covid-19 and someone cannot show tht they've been vaccinated, then they shouldn't be covered for those conditions using tax dollars/charity care. And if they pay for medical insurance, then their premiums should go up accordingly. It's like I think that smokers and the obese should pay higher premiums, and motorcycle riders without helmets and passengers without seatbelts shouldn't be covered for trauma care after an accident, and sky divers and other extreme-sports enthusiasts should have special (expen$ive) insurance to cover the cost of their hobbies injuring them.
People who act stupid shouldn't expect society to bail them out.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
This post makes a dubious assumption that there is a preventative connection between injecting yourself with a "vaccine" branded product which is legally not a vaccine and the reduced chances of getting a wild type coronavirus.
Since all coronavirus outbreaks appear to originate from the vaccinated, and spread to the other vaccinated preferentially, there is no basis for this assumption other than corporate say so. If you want, you can continually live in corporations never live fantasyland, but the taxpayer shouldn't have to bail you out for doing so
I hope you feel better in a three weeks, tho. That seems to be about as long as Covid-19 lasts for people with pre-existing conditions and/or the elderly. Don't expect miracles, it takes time.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Whatever.
I hope you feel better in a three weeks, tho. That seems to be about as long as Covid-19 lasts for people with pre-existing conditions and/or the elderly. Don't expect miracles, it takes time.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
At my party, there were three vaccinated people, and four non-vaccinated people. All of those who got sick got sick after me, so they could have gotten it from me, but I was not somewhere else with people, so I got it from one of the three vaccinated.
That said, there have been two dozen cases now recently, and they have all started in this way, many people have commented on me that each mini outbreak tracked back to only a newly vaccinated person as suspect
This completely fits with there not being an outbreak before. One places where Fauci and company had released his bioweapon would have the plague until he managed to release it everywhere under the guise of the brand name of "vaccine"
I've had this since 7/24, so 5 weeks. I have yet to have any antibody positive test for covid, but one of the employees who got sick after me has tested positive. The pattern of illness just 100% matches covid and doesn't match anything else, so it's covid, I just don't have the antibodies yet
I have an underlying heart condition which has associated orthostatic intolerance already, which is associated with a deficiency in ACE2, so the pathology for me will be slightly different. I don't have a void in ACE2 though, because the orthostatic intolerance is definitely worse since the infection.
Numerically, I appear fine, if you measure only my nighttime numbers, my pulse is generally sub 60 and my o2 sat is typically 99. The perfusion index sticks around 15, but I don't know what that means and neither does anyone else it seems, there are a lot of theories, but it's somewhere in the high end of normal 0.02 to 20
Anyway, those numbers look like a healthy individual, but then if I sit up in a chair I start to sweat, if i try to carry anything heavy I collapse. Sometimes there's a strong pulse change associated with these difficulties, but sometimes there is not. Which would make me thing that the pulse is not the primary obstacle, but rather that something else is, and the body responds by increasing pulse in an attempt to overcome the obstacle, but it doesn't work.
At any rate, whatever it's origins, it's a nasty disease.
The most obvious correlation for us here was that covid was exceedingly rare until the vaccinations started, and now it's become very common.
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You'll be fine dude.
Nobody dies of Covid.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Yeah Signy, I wasn't going to dispute DT b/c, as you've seen plenty of times already, once someone gets an idée fixe they never change it.
It's like arguing about religion.
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DT, but you were NOT vaccinated - and you caught COVID-19, and you spread it. That kinda' puts a hole in your theory that only vaxed people catch it and spread it.
Quote:There are several mechanisms by which the heart and the CVS compensate for sitting or standing up:
Anyway, those numbers look like a healthy individual, but then if I sit up in a chair I start to sweat, if i try to carry anything heavy I collapse. Sometimes there's a strong pulse change associated with these difficulties, but sometimes there is not. Which would make me thing that the pulse is not the primary obstacle, but rather that something else is, and the body responds by increasing pulse in an attempt to overcome the obstacle, but it doesn't work.
increased heart rate
increased heart contraction force (contractility)
increased stroke volume
but also, 'sympathtic' nervous system narrowing of blood vessels in the abdomen to stop blood from pooling there - pooling of blood in CVS space lower than the heart means that blood doesn't return to the heart, which means it can't be pumped out. The blood pooling and lack of return to the heart drives the heart rate up, as the heart tries to compensate for the lack of blood volume it's receiving. I'd pinpoint the problem as the lack of an angiotensin signal in the abdominal CVS system due to COVID-19, because the virus targets cells with those ACE-2 receptors.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yeah Signy, I wasn't going to dispute DT b/c, as you've seen plenty of times already, once someone gets an idée fixe they never change it.
It's like arguing about religion.
1kiki/sig you used this on me before many years ago
Did we clear up what your relationship is to signym?
I mean, it would be easier if I knew, and I apologize if I just missed it before. Like 1kiki is daughter of signym, or lesbian lover of, mentor or, student of, or alternate personality of. your use of language is too similar to be no relation, there's a connection there.
Anyway, it's not applicable to me here, nor was it then, it's a cop out, to try to paint me as a religious follower of an idea, rather than as a person who knows more than you about a particular topic
I get you're not ignorant about it, but you're not getting it. The evidence here is a lot greater and more persuasive that this is a scam than the mainstream media links claiming their own product is not a scam. That's not backup, it's advertising.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
DT, but you were NOT vaccinated - and you caught COVID-19, and you spread it. That kinda' puts a hole in your theory that only vaxed people catch it and spread it.
okay, no.
yes, i caught the virus, but no, i did not spread it to someone else. That was the hypothetical "if it is what you say it is" but it's not. it's not an airborne contagion. two uninfected have been working with me almost daily for a month, neither has had it before, and neither has had it yet.
Because I'm careful, and I understand that bloodborne infectious diseases are typically not airborne. The airborne plague was part of the hype. we probably got it from something we ate.
Anyway, I did not say "only vaxed people catch it and spread it" i said "every local outbreak has started with an already vaccinated person"
one of the problems is that most local business owners got vaccinated first, and now they make everyone's food. there are five notable local businesses that didn't vaccinate for religious reasons. But most did, especially chains.Quote:
There are several mechanisms by which the heart and the CVS compensate for sitting or standing up:
increased heart rate
increased heart contraction force (contractility)
increased stroke volume
but also, 'sympathtic' nervous system narrowing of blood vessels in the abdomen to stop blood from pooling there - pooling of blood in CVS space lower than the heart means that blood doesn't return to the heart, which means it can't be pumped out. The blood pooling and lack of return to the heart drives the heart rate up, as the heart tries to compensate for the lack of blood volume it's receiving. I'd pinpoint the problem as the lack of an angiotensin signal in the abdominal CVS system due to COVID-19, because the virus targets cells with those ACE-2 receptors.
Yeah, I agree. I think I said that, the ACE2 involvement in vasoconstriction is the obvious cause of the worsening of my orthostatic intolerance. Sorry, maybe I wasn't thorough on that, but that's what I was referring to, I figured you'd get it. which you did.
As for things like the PI% and just generally pulse strength/volume, that's data i have now, but not recorded on my old monitor so i don't have anything to compare it with. Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You'll be fine dude.
Nobody dies of Covid.
Sorry, that's a silly statement
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