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I think I have delta
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Monday, August 23, 2021 3:24 AM
Quote:Did I say AUTOMATIC carrier??
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW- DT: It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that vaccinated people CAN become infected and develop high viral loads ... high enough to shed viruses and infect others.
So you may have gotten infected by someone who was vaccinated.
Just take it easy, and please, please, please call in the troops if you become critically ill. Also, realize that sick people don't think well, so maybe have someone check in on you every day, by phone if nothing else, to assess how you're doing.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
back to topic, yes, I'm sure that's what happened. The virus turns out not to be a respiratory virus, but rather an infectious endothelial disease. It causes a cough from the inside. This sheds some doubt on the idea that it's an airborne pathogen. This increases the chance that the guy I think as the patient zero is not in fact patient zero here but rather some food was to blame, because we could injest it, then it gets into the blood causes the cough later. I don't have the cough but one of the others does, and it's a very covid cough.
Btw, the fact that the vaccine seems to make you an automatic carrier bears out on everything I've seen from both sides, that makes it a terrible vaccine, except it's not a vaccine, it's a bioweapon, because it was only patentable as a bioweapon, not as a vaccine, so they have to accept its legal definition.
The fact that the narrative calls it a vaccine will put a permanent end to the vaccine industry. I mean, every once in a while, people suggest gas chamber based treatments, as an alternative to infusion labs, and it always auto fails because it has gas chamber in it. This vaccine could be 1000x the holocaust. No vaccine will ever have a chance again. The person who says the word probably just gets shot on sight after this. We're headed to a post-vax society that is going to resemble mad max much more than it resembles what came before.
NO I DID NOT.
It makes people about 40% less susceptible to developing high viral load, but obviously far less than 100% effective.
Maybe this is your illness talking.
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Monday, August 23, 2021 9:05 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Did I say AUTOMATIC carrier??
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW- DT: It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that vaccinated people CAN become infected and develop high viral loads ... high enough to shed viruses and infect others.
So you may have gotten infected by someone who was vaccinated.
Just take it easy, and please, please, please call in the troops if you become critically ill. Also, realize that sick people don't think well, so maybe have someone check in on you every day, by phone if nothing else, to assess how you're doing.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
back to topic, yes, I'm sure that's what happened. The virus turns out not to be a respiratory virus, but rather an infectious endothelial disease. It causes a cough from the inside. This sheds some doubt on the idea that it's an airborne pathogen. This increases the chance that the guy I think as the patient zero is not in fact patient zero here but rather some food was to blame, because we could injest it, then it gets into the blood causes the cough later. I don't have the cough but one of the others does, and it's a very covid cough.
Btw, the fact that the vaccine seems to make you an automatic carrier bears out on everything I've seen from both sides, that makes it a terrible vaccine, except it's not a vaccine, it's a bioweapon, because it was only patentable as a bioweapon, not as a vaccine, so they have to accept its legal definition.
The fact that the narrative calls it a vaccine will put a permanent end to the vaccine industry. I mean, every once in a while, people suggest gas chamber based treatments, as an alternative to infusion labs, and it always auto fails because it has gas chamber in it. This vaccine could be 1000x the holocaust. No vaccine will ever have a chance again. The person who says the word probably just gets shot on sight after this. We're headed to a post-vax society that is going to resemble mad max much more than it resembles what came before.
NO I DID NOT.
It makes people about 40% less susceptible to developing high viral load, but obviously far less than 100% effective.
Maybe this is your illness talking.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
No one said you said it, knucklehead. I said it.
I don't want to argue political positions on a thread about my own health.
They're carriers. I think they're all carriers. I think the point of this vax is to make them all carriers. It's a plague plan. There's no vaccine. Theres an Alpha and a Delta bioweapon, and the Delta bioweapon is the vaccine.
That's just me doing the math. I think that the important thing here is, other than obviously avoid the vaccinated, you don't have to be a zombie to be contagious, but more that it's not an airborne respiratory disease.
So yes, that post was full of my opinions that I didn't expect anyone to share. I was ranting. But I'm sick. Anyway, it's not a respiratory infection, so I got it from something I ate. I've considered this a few times because everyone got a stomach sickness first, and a racing heart rate second, and breathing problems third. That's not the path of a respiratory infection, and in fact the pathology appears to bear this out. So everyone can ignore all the social control mechanisms, they aren't protecting you, but do watch what you eat. That cute little cafe with all the hand made foods might be plague land.
I should have just fled this libtard land as soon as i realized they were all crazy
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Monday, August 23, 2021 9:32 AM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:But we all live in the same world, the same causes have the same effects. Our situations are certainly different, we are different sexes and ages and health situations and live in different places with different access to resources but, as a matter of survival, we should all appreciate that nature doesn't bend to our opinions.
SIGNYM:
The only "side to be on is the side of reality.
SIX: If you haven't noticed, there are two "realities" running in parallel in the Legacy Media.
SIGNY: I'm talking about the REAL reality, SIX, not the media's lies. There IS a real reality out there, yanno. The one that runs you over like a truck that you didn't see coming, even if you deny its existance.
SIX: Well... What is the "real" reality? Your reality is different than mine. Mine is different than Seconds. Second's is different than JO's. JO's is different than Kiki's. Kiki's is different than Ted's. Ted's is different than DT's. DT's is different than yours.
I don't need you to tell me what you think reality is.
The only certainty in our shared reality is death and taxes. Everything else is sus.
Yeah. Sure. "Facts don't care about your feels" and all. I get it.
But my point still stands. We all live in the same reality, yet we all perceive it differently. Some of us far more so than others.
Quote:Quote:Have you ever BOTHERED to validate anything that I posted? Of course not! So people who don't bother to validate anything shouldn't be throwing stones about "dubious sources".
SIX: I don't subscribe to either of them.
SIGNY: Neither do I, you might have noticed. But you subscribe to fear-mongering alt media.
SIX: I post troll videos by Memology 101. That's not evidence of the sentence that you just said. You're the one who posts dubious sources like zerohedge all the time. Careful with those stones you're throwing from your glass house.
I'll dial that back. I'm not calling Zerohedge "dubious". But there are at least three people here who would.
And I really don't know what your hardon about Memeology101 is anyhow. They're great at showing the hypocrisy of the Legacy Media on a daily basis. They show you articles written 6 months ago compared to what they're saying today all the time. They have a much better memory than the average 2 weeks that most people can remember when it comes to news.
Quote:Quote:Well, maybe knowing something about biology would help you manage your health better, hmmm....???
SIX: I don't know what's in the vaccine,
SIGNY: Well, maybe you should LEARN SOMETHING. I don't know why you're so resistant to learning about biology and biochemistry. Yes, it's complicated, but it's not THAT complicated. You've learned a lot more complicated stuff about fixing cars and drainage problems, haven't you?
SIX: Yup. But that's actually useful knowledge that is applicable everywhere and makes my life better.
Not really...
I gave up drinking and that saved my life. I know that smoking is likely to kill me if I don't quit. My diet is pretty great these days, but maybe we'll find out some of the healthy stuff I'm eating will kill me too. They still can't make up their mind whether or not milk is good or bad for you.
Long story short, it's great that I was able to learn how to tear enough of my car engine apart to fix it a few years back, but I'm not about to read the engineer's manual to know every single part of the car just in case.
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SIGNY: Probably you think all knowledge on the topic is tainted by now. But there is knowledge that predates Covid-19 that you can acccess. And you can tell that it's true knowledge, not ideology, because -unlike ideology - it works in the real world.
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Monday, August 23, 2021 10:37 AM
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OK. But you can't unpost your bitterness about me choosing to have our daughter vaccinated because it "might" make her sterile. (In any case, since she can't take care of herself much less a child, I would be a lot more worried about her getting pregnant than not.)
This is a different image than I had of SignyM. I'm assuming from the phrasing of this that your daughter is physically or mentally disabled. And probably older.
I think this vaccine will do a lot worse than sterilize the people it affects. A lot of people it won't affect. Which is why there are booster shots. It's like pokemon, gotta catch 'em all.
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Monday, August 23, 2021 3:59 PM
Jack, your thinking keeps running in a circle and biting itself. You claim that COVID-19 'never killed anybody' ... but if old people die from it, oh well. You deny that anyone who died from COVID-19 was killed by it even when they clearly did not die from anything else. Reality doesn't go away just because you deny it.
Quote:If you eat food, you benefit from biology. If you drink bacteria-free water or milk you benefit from biology. If you go to a dentist to have your teeth removed, you benefit from biology. ... And so on. Everybody in a country with minimal technology benefits from biology every day.
Psychics and Chemistry have tangible and immediate benefits for your everyday person that didn't major in them. Biology for the most part doesn't.
Quote:But NOBODY in the ENTIRE WORLD will see their product? That's an incredible claim.
All of those scenarios are possible with only a few key decision makers who are sociopaths actually knowing the evil that is taking place.
And here's a recent example of how that doesn't work. There are ACE-2 docking sites on the virus spike-1 protein - and people around the globe found them within a few weeks. And that was very highly researched and documented all around the globe, and spread all over the internet. And I've read that no other coronavirus has those ACE-2 docking sites (I've also looked for them myself), not even the supposedly closely-related SARS-CoV-(1) virus. That was also found very quickly very publicly. Those facts very quickly led to the original supposition that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered. And no amount of The WHO's spin could erase those globally-disseminated facts, though the officialese tried hard enough.
BTW, my own theory of why the vax isn't an engineered bioweapon comes from the idea that people aren't that biologically smart, at least not yet. (And can you imagine Fauci being some kind of brilliant mastermind? HIM?)
Here's the story as I understand it, of how little we know.
After the sequencing of the human genome, scientists had a huge let-down. They thought DNA would be the key to understanding the human body. But it turns out that the DNA protein-instruction-set is really just a partial ingredient list in a very long and complicated recipe. It starts out with what turns DNA on and off. And then once DNA makes RNA, and RNA makes protein ...
... it turns out that the proteins need to be correctly folded, bits and pieces need to be taken off and others spliced on.
So, when they looked at all the complicated downstream picture, the glow of genomics wore off. And after that about 15-20 years ago the new buzzword was proteomics - the study of all the proteins in an organism. If they could figure out THAT, it was thought, they could figure out whatever they wanted to about life. But - basically - it's far, far too large a field to comprehend. The body does too many things with them before, during, and after production; and they have too many secondary, tertiary, and even feedback effects. And that those proteins are usually only one of many inputs to any particular biological outcome (hormones based on cholesterol which is a fat, for example play a role). So no one really talks about proteomics anymore. (I likened it to the 'reason' why we were all surveilled for 'national security'. 'They' said that if they could just get enough data, patterns would emerge of their own accord, without them needing to know what they were looking for, or even have a plan as to how they were going to parse that data. Years later, all that surveillance for 'national security' has yet to provide meaningful results. Lots of data isn't the same as knowledge.)
It's not to say that some previously unknown feedback mechanisms don't get invoked either by the virus or by the vax. But if there's some evil intent built in to the virus, it has to be pretty obvious, like ACE-2 docking sites. If there's some evil in
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Monday, August 23, 2021 5:30 PM
Quote:Nature doesn't care about our perceptions, either. The ability to perceive is survival equipment. We can either use it to survive, or ... not. Fortunately for most people, we've evolved a complex society that cushions us from our own stupdity, which is why we're getting progressively stupider.
SIGNYM: The only "side to be on is the side of reality.
SIX: If you haven't noticed, there are two "realities" running in parallel in the Legacy Media.
SIGNY: I'm talking about the REAL reality, SIX, not the media's lies. There IS a real reality out there, yanno. The one that runs you over like a truck that you didn't see coming, even if you deny its existance.
SIX: Well... What is the "real" reality? Your reality is different than mine. Mine is different than Seconds. Second's is different than JO's. JO's is different than Kiki's. Kiki's is different than Ted's. Ted's is different than DT's. DT's is different than yours.
I don't need you to tell me what you think reality is.
The only certainty in our shared reality is death and taxes. Everything else is sus.
SIGNY: But we all live in the same world, the same causes have the same effects. Our situations are certainly different, we are different sexes and ages and health situations and live in different places with different access to resources but, as a matter of survival, we should all appreciate that nature doesn't bend to our opinions.
SIX: Yeah. Sure. "Facts don't care about your feels" and all. I get it. But my point still stands. We all live in the same reality, yet we all perceive it differently. Some of us far more so than others.
Quote:And I should pay attention to them ... why?
SIX: I don't subscribe to either of them.
SIGNY: Neither do I, you might have noticed. But you subscribe to fear-mongering alt media.
SIX: I post troll videos by Memology 101. That's not evidence of the sentence that you just said. You're the one who posts dubious sources like zerohedge all the time. Careful with those stones you're throwing from your glass house.
SIGNY: Have you ever BOTHERED to validate anything that I posted? Of course not! So people who don't bother to validate anything shouldn't be throwing stones about "dubious sources".
SIX: I'll dial that back. I'm not calling Zerohedge "dubious". But there are at least three people here who would.
Quote:Two weeks?I think you give many people far too much credit. Try six minutes.
SIX: And I really don't know what your hardon about Memeology101 is anyhow. They're great at showing the hypocrisy of the Legacy Media on a daily basis. They show you articles written 6 months ago compared to what they're saying today all the time. They have a much better memory than the average 2 weeks that most people can remember when it comes to news.
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SIX: I don't know what's in the vaccine,
SIGNY: Well, maybe you should LEARN SOMETHING. I don't know why you're so resistant to learning about biology and biochemistry. Yes, it's complicated, but it's not THAT complicated. You've learned a lot more complicated stuff about fixing cars and drainage problems, haven't you?
SIX: Yup. But that's actually useful knowledge that is applicable everywhere and makes my life better.
SIGNY: Well, maybe knowing something about biology would help you manage your health better, hmmm....???
SIX: Not really...
I gave up drinking and that saved my life. I know that smoking is likely to kill me if I don't quit. My diet is pretty great these days, but maybe we'll find out some of the healthy stuff I'm eating will kill me too. They still can't make up their mind whether or not milk is good or bad for you.
Long story short, it's great that I was able to learn how to tear enough of my car engine apart to fix it a few years back, butNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Monday, August 23, 2021 7:13 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Please take your war on Six to a different thread. This one is about my personal health and I'm very sick. I'm looking for suggestions, not flame wars. Thanks
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Monday, August 23, 2021 8:53 PM
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack, your thinking keeps running in a circle and biting itself. You claim that COVID-19 'never killed anybody' ... but if old people die from it, oh well.
No it doesn't.
No old people died from it. They died because they were already dying.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Monday, August 23, 2021 8:54 PM
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
[infinite spam]
Please take your war on Six to a different thread. This one is about my personal health and I'm very sick. I'm looking for suggestions, not flame wars. Thanks
Yeah. Sorry.
I have no interest in debating Kiki on anything, but your last reply had some interesting points Sigs. Maybe I'll copy it and reply to it in another thread later.
I do just have to reply to this first part here...
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Nature doesn't care about our perceptions, either. The ability to perceive is survival equipment. We can either use it to survive, or ... not. Fortunately for most people, we've evolved a complex society that cushions us from our own stupdity, which is why we're getting progressively stupider.
Right after reading the first sentence, I was thinking to myself that "well yeah... but we live in such a coddled and entitled first world right now where hardly anybody ever needs to utilize these skills."
And then you said it.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Monday, August 23, 2021 9:19 PM
I mean I basically agree with both of you on that. Which is why finding the best logical cure for the bioweapon. If you failed the perception check that it was a bioweapon, at this point, you were either stupid, or intentionally ignoring evidence, which are basically the same thing. The question of the vax I think is getting to the same point, where the evidence that it's a bioweapon that was developed before the first bioweapon was released, by the same people, is also I think if not rock solid conclusive at least heavily tipping the balance in that direction at this point.
I kind of think 1kiki is SignyM unless she's SignyM's disabled daughter. Something has to answer the odd question of why they've never said anything to each other in a hundred thousand posts over decades of always being in the same thread. Or why they use the exact same peculiar turns of phrase, and the exact same idiosyncratic techniques to illustrate points. A psychologist would say they're a split personality.
As for being sick. Still sick. I'm sure other people would see me as an asymptomatic carrier, per that movie, but to me I'm sick. I passed out from attempting to carry a bag of groceries across the street yesterday. But my immune system has always worked slower than other people's. Not weaker, for whatever reason, just slower. I've frequently gotten the "how are you even still alive?" from doctors, when I don't even feel particularly bad, but a common cold has always been a two week affair for me instead of two days.
I'm going to attempt to go out to a grocery store or a dollar general at least. It'll wear me out, but I need coffee.
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