Taliban winning in Afghanistan
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UPDATED: Sunday, August 30, 2026 23:18
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Originally posted by second:
Republicans are blaming Biden, of course. We need to point out that Trump came to power promising to end the war in Afghanistan, and as late as February 2020 sent officials to negotiate with the Taliban. He promised the US would leave Afghanistan by May 1, 2020. The military talked him out of doing that so fully and decisively, but he had made a commitment to it. And in the campaign in the fall 2020, he claimed that Biden was going to continue the war, and he was going to end it.
Democrats and the Legacy Media are attacking Biden* right now too.
Pulling out will be the one good thing that happened in Biden's* Presidency*.
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I think that the whole problem with Afghanistan is that the USA backed the wrong horse. TWICE.
In TPTB's anxiety to get rid of the Soviet-friendly government, we funded the "mujahideen".
That was back in the 70s, long before many of you were aware of politics. Under the Soviet-friendly government of Afghanistan, roads were built and women were educated and became doctors and engineers and lawyers.
That's why the reversal was so brutal, and so many women took their lives: They went from being free and full citizens in a developing country to being locked inside with a husband who thought of them and their girl-children as nothing more than donkeys to be beaten to get more work out of them. If the USA had been paying attention to actual LIVING STANDARDS instead of geopolitical games, it would have joined in developing Afghanistan instead of backing a bunch of ultra-fundamentalist nutbags and power-hungry warlords.
If the USA wants to make right its mucking around in Afghanistan (TWICE), it will focus on economic development there. NO, not the "engulf and devour" transnational "development" but actual open-handed development. But...
... That's not the kind of development the USA knows how to do. The only "development" that the USA seems to be able to accomplish is either through
a) loans, which the debtor nation can never repay
b) pass-thru money, in which aid goes to a foreign nation, only to come back to a USA corporation (likeFluor) in the form of contracts or
c) payoffs to corrupt leaders
Anyway, we don't have influence any more. After backing warlords and ultra-fundamentalists (with scenes from Kabul to match today's clusterf when THAT government fell. Then we got to watch the Taliban destroy historic statues of Buddha bc of their grotch against graven images. Remember? https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/03/04/taliban-mos
t-statues-destroyed/35f98477-e07a-4948-a3e5-e7f3cb66ffec/) we tried to reverse course and destroy the Taliban and install a Potemkin government in Kabul.
You can't make this shit up.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Good luck with your "inclusive" desires for the Taliban...
I'm sure that while they go back to chaining their women to the radiators and throwing homosexuals off of buildings they're also going to be lining up to get their vaccinations.
Are you people mental?
You cleared out all the secular leadership like Saddam Hussein in the area and you've got a bunch of religious barely-human's running that shit show now.
They are the textbook definition of not giving a shit about your feels.
Hope all those sleeper cells that Merkel and the rest of the corrupt EU leadership welcomed in droves don't all wake up at the same time.
Good luck, idiots.
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Quote:Did you ever hear of Charlie Wilson or Joanne Herring? Between these two Texans, they decided to overthrow Afghanistan. Because of the foolishness of most everyone else in Congress, those two got their way.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think that the whole problem with Afghanistan is that the USA backed the wrong horse. TWICE.
Why are so many in Congress easily persuaded to back foolishness? If you have met the people who are elected, you would know the reason. They are NOT wise people who can think ahead about bigger problems beyond getting elected. Some can't even think about anything but themselves. That's why they are successful politicians and that is why Democracies malfunction all over the world, because of the kind of politicians who the voters are magnetically attracted toward are not the kind of politicians who have good sense.
The Real-Life Story Behind 'Charlie Wilson's War'
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17580376
Mr. MARTIN FROST (Former Democratic Representative, Texas): If anything - I mean, the story is true. And what I mentioned in my column was that they toned down the Charlie Wilson character. I thought Tom Hanks was kind of restrained in the way he played him. Charlie was really very flamboyant - very smart and very flamboyant. And I think if they had portrayed him as flamboyant as he really was, no one would have believed any of this.
Even without that, I think it's probably hard for some people who saw the movie to say that this really happened. Well, the answer is it did really happen. Charlie Wilson actually did this.
Charlie Wilson's War: The Extraordinary Story of How the Wildest Man in Congress and a Rogue CIA Agent Changed the History of Our Times
https://www.amazon.com/Charlie-Wilsons-War-Extraordinary-Congress/dp/0
802143415
It's common knowledge that the U.S. armed the Afghans in their fight against the Soviet Union, but until now, the fact that this was possibly the biggest, meanest covert operation in history has been absent from press reports. In one of the most detailed descriptions of a CIA operation every written, the bizarre twists and turns of the full story are told in CHARLIE WILSON'S WAR. Veteran 60 Minutes producer George Crile explains how one Congressman was able to provide the CIA with hundreds of millions of dollars to fund the Afghan program, dwarfing the price tag for arming the Nicaraguan Contras that occurred at virtually the same time.
"The scope and nature of this campaign has still not registered in the consciousness of most Americans," Crile writes in the book's Epilogue. "Nor is it understood that such secret undertakings inevitably have unforeseen and unintended consequences which, in this case, remain largely ignored."
Download the book for free from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.ch/search.php?req=Charlie+Wilson's+War
At 9:55PM -- Want to know who is downloading Charlie Wilson's War, the movie, from my computer? Two from China: 106.41.62.9 and 101.86.54.151
This movie will give insight on how the worst decisions are made by Congress.
https://yts.mx/movies/charlie-wilsons-war-2007
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Indeed.
Well, whatever happens in Afghanistan now depends on how much the Chinese and Russians want to get involved with internal Afghan affairs, which will be - not much, I'm afraid.
If we had been focusing on AMERICAN interests (as in: How does this benefit the average American, if at all) we would never have made such a mess of things.
But we broke it. And they won't fix it for us, so now it's all fucked up.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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"Panic" As Afghani Crashes After Central Bank Chief Flees, Says No More Dollars Left
Tuesday, Aug 17, 2021 - 10:20 AM
For all the focus on the humanitarian crisis unfolding at an unprecedented pace in Afghanistan, many are forgetting that an even worse economic disaster awaits the "Islamic Emirate" of Afghanistan now that the Taliban are in charge.
One person who saw it coming - in addition to the president of course who promptly fled as soon as the first Taliban batallion entered Kabul - was the now former head of the country's central bank, Ajmal Ahmady - a Harvard MBA - who on Monday tweeted that he had departed Afghanistan (having seen a military jet at the airport before the Taliban took over and "somehow, my close colleagues pushed me on board") although he didn’t say where to. Ahmady said he tried to calm banks and traders (he failed) and in typical fashion slammed the former president, saying Ghani “had great ideas but poor execution,” adding “If I contributed to that, I take my share of the blame.” Said "blame taking" will take place somewhere far away, however.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/panic-afghani-crashes-after-central-
bank-chief-flees-says-no-more-dollars-left
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US Treasury Freezes Billions In Afghan Reserves, Depriving Taliban Of Cash
Tuesday, Aug 17, 2021 - 12:35 PM
After handing the Taliban US-supplied military hardware on a silver platter thanks to the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, the Biden administration scrambled to deprive the terrorist organization of funding - freezing Afghan government reserves held in US bank accounts, and blocking the Taliban from accessing billions of dollars held in US institutions, according to the Washington Post, citing two people familiar with the matter.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-treasury-freezes-billions-af
ghan-reserves-depriving-taliban-cash
Well, if this is meant to destablize the Taliban govt and cost China more money, they've succeeded at that. And if this is also meant to give China more leverage with the Taliban government (by being the only source of foreign currency) and give China's yuan a boost in terms of international circulation, and push the Taliban even deeper into China's embrace ... well, they've succeeded at that. too!
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I wouldn't worry about the Taliban and China teaming up.
One suicide bombing will end that relationship very quick.
The Taliban is what Antifa would be if they were feral and took 2000 year old fantasy books as the literal truth of the universe.
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Quote:You don't believe that the US Army went into Afghanistan for one purpose, as I do, for a revenge killing of Osama bin Laden. The way bin Laden died, without even interrogating him, the most valuable asset in the history of fighting terrorism, makes me absolutely sure that it was just a straight forward assassination. There was never a clear and forceful command to capture bin Laden alive.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Indeed.
Well, whatever happens in Afghanistan now depends on how much the Chinese and Russians want to get involved with internal Afghan affairs, which will be - not much, I'm afraid.
If we had been focusing on AMERICAN interests (as in: How does this benefit the average American, if at all) we would never have made such a mess of things.
But we broke it. And they won't fix it for us, so now it's all fucked up.
Navy Seal credited with killing Bin Laden reacts to Afghanistan chaos: “We should go in, hit them hard, then break stuff, point them in the face, say, ‘Don’t do it again, then leave,” he told Inside Edition. “It’s not complex. When the bad guy shows up, you kill them and when they have had enough, you stop. And if they start again, you kill them and then you stop. We make it a lot more complex than it needs to.”
https://www.wwlp.com/news/navy-seal-credited-with-killing-bin-laden-re
acts-to-afghanistan-chaos-inside-edition-exclusive/
That's the only guy who clearly said what he was doing and why.
All the rest of the things the US Army was doing in Afghanistan was pretend work/make believe work, work that the Army is incompetent to do, all as a justification for staying until bin Laden is killed in Afghanistan. But he wasn't in Afghanistan, or Iraq, so both wars were complete wastes.
An article I agree with:
The 1 Thing That Could’ve Changed the War in Afghanistan
Had Osama bin Laden been killed or captured in December 2001, justice would have been served in the way Americans like: fast, hard, and cheap.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210817142149if_/https://www.theatlantic.
com/ideas/archive/2021/08/bin-laden-2001-end-war-afghanistan/619767/
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Had the United States caught and killed Osama bin Laden in December 2001, the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan would have faded away almost immediately afterward. I cannot prove that. It’s only an opinion from my vantage point as one of President George W. Bush’s speechwriters in 2001 and 2002.
Yet I strongly believe it. The U.S. stayed for 20 years in Afghanistan because first Bush and then his successors got trapped in a pattern of responding to past failures by redoubling future efforts. In the fall of 2001, the U.S. mission in Afghanistan was clear, limited, and achievable: find and kill bin Laden. After bin Laden escaped, that mission escalated into something hazy and impossibly difficult: to rebuild Afghanistan’s society and remodel the Afghan state.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:
You don't believe that the US Army went into Afghanistan for one purpose, as I do, for a revenge killing of Osama bin Laden.
Osama bin Laden was a Photoshop job of Scottie Pippen.
He was never killed during the Obama administration because he never existed in the first place.
After 9/11, we should have just turned Mecca to glass and the entire world would be a much better place right now.
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Quote:The US nuked Japan. Republican Senators said Russia should be nuked next. Killing 214,000 Japanese women and children made killing Stalin a believable threat, causing a multi-trillion dollar nuclear arms race which dimwitted President Harry Truman couldn't imagine when he allowed the nukes to drop. Nuking Mecca would be an even stupider move, and eventually more expensive, than nuking Japan.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
After 9/11, we should have just turned Mecca to glass and the entire world would be a much better place right now.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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