Taliban winning in Afghanistan

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 5:20 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Putin must be laughing his muscular buttocks off over this American calamity. Just a question now of how many thousands of people are the taliban gonna kill in the next few months. 10,000? 50,000? 100,000?

There hasn't been a US combat death there in 13 months. So why the chaotic clusterfuck of a withdrawl now, during the so-called fighting season? Dumbfuck Biden could not have made it any easier for these child rapists and genital mutilators to just waltz right on in.

Let's see the 1st World Leftist Feminazis come to their defense this time now that we're going to see the depravity that these people and their filthy "religion" are capable of.

P.S. All the European countries that let these degenerates into their space be like "oh shit".

That's on you, Merkel. You piece of shit.

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JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 5:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Putin must be laughing his muscular buttocks off over this American calamity. Just a question now of how many thousands of people are the taliban gonna kill in the next few months. 10,000? 50,000? 100,000?

There hasn't been a US combat death there in 13 months. So why the chaotic clusterfuck of a withdrawl now, during the so-called fighting season? Dumbfuck Biden could not have made it any easier for these child rapists and genital mutilators to just waltz right on in.

Let's see the 1st World Leftist Feminazis come to their defense this time now that we're going to see the depravity that these people and their filthy "religion" are capable of.

P.S. All the European countries that let these degenerates into their space be like "oh shit".

That's on you, Merkel. You piece of shit.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

I don't know if we're actually gonna "see" very much of the coming mega-slaughter. And yes, the vile and demented Left will always support senile Joe no matter what he says or does. Same with Merkel, and the rest of socialist Europe. They're all enlightened and such, dontcha know? Fuck 'em. They deserve whatever fallout from those animals they get.

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 6:59 AM

My question to all the people who think the US got out at the wrong time is this:

What would have been so different about the Afghanistan government and army in a few months that would have made the eventual outcome any different? After roughly 2 decades what would have been accomplished that hasn't already been accomplished? Or, to put it more concretely, the US waits a few months for it to be a better time, then withdraws from Afghanistan. And then what?

SECOND

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 7:03 AM

Here is the joke: The situation in Afghanistan makes America look so bad, Texas has already banned schools from teaching it.

Texans aren't laughing: Texas is one of a handful of states that have approved legislation that prescribes how teachers discuss current events.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/education/2021/06/16/40078
3/texas-critical-race-theory-bill-limiting-teaching-of-current-events-signed-into-law/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 7:42 AM

Because invading Afghanistan violated every principle of the Powell Doctrine, getting out was the only logical thing to do, since we were stupid enough to go in the first place.

Maybe the withdrawal could have been handled better ... more troops to protect evacuation corridors for safer exit ... but overall I think it was the only realistic call.

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Both the Russians and Chinese have been negotiating with the Taliban. I'll get to that in a moment. At the same time, the Chinese and Russians had large ... not "combined" exercise but BLENDED exercise... with Russian troops using Chinese weapons, shared assessments (with translators at both ends) ... in NW China as a polite reminder to the Taliban that Russia and China have a combined interest in what happens in Afghanistan.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 7:58 AM

So, the Russians and Chinese have a deep concern about Afghanistan becoming a source of Islamist terrorism. At the same time, Russia (in particular) does not want to see a country riven by sectarian wars on its doorstep.

Aside from the military threat, the Chinese are willing to invest in Afghanistan provided it behaves itself.

What the Taliban have reportedly promised is

1) A government representing all major ethnic groups, not just the Pashtun Taliban
2) Women's right to education and work, provided they wear a hijab (the least restrictive head covering of Islam)
3) No tolerance of terrorist groups like ISIL or Al Qaida in Afghanistan, and no spillover of terrorist groups (or Taliban militias) across international borders
4) Reduction in opium production.

There have been extensive discussions between Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan about border security.

Curiously, while Pakistan has supported the Taliban in Afghanistan, they have always considered the Pakistani version as terrorist group.

Anyway, with the specter of Chechnya and Syria on one side and the promise of investment on the other, the Sino-Russian (or Russo-Chinese!) combine are trying to corral the Taliban.

So far, I have not heard of any massacres. The Taliban have allowed surrendering troops to leave, if they leave their weapons behind. Only time will tell if the Taliban will stick to their word, or revert to the ultra hard-lines of the past.

This may be a lot like Turkey: Russia is working to corral Erdogan from those actions that conflict with Russian interests, but it's a work in progress.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 8:02 AM

Just one more comment: As a result of this, Iran just became a full member of the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) after having been an observing member for 13 years.

So, basically, the USA pulled out and dumped this in Russia's and China's lap. In some ways that was a smart move bc we were spending a lot of $$ stabilizing a situation to Russia's and China's benefit. Russia and China will have to spend $$$ trying to retrieve the situation, and even if they swing Afghanistan around, it's not like it's such a big prize that either big power will get much out of it.

Ya gotta know when to hold 'em.
Know when to fold 'em.
Know when to walk away...

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:13 AM

I have to say, as tactically bad as the withdrawal was, strategically it was the right move. But the 'optics' might have been better. (Or, it could have been a cluster-eff no matter when it was carried out, and people could have been carping about something else.)

And as anyone knows, I have no love for Biden* in particular, or democrats* in general. So I'm not saying this in defense of either.

In any case, the MIC/ spook-state arm of the Deep State has obviously been running Afghanistan foreign policy for the last 20 years. And they are none too happy about any of this. I've concluded that because there are a LOT of trial balloons about think of the poor Afghanis !! being floated in the m$m. But I don't see a full-scale propaganda effort - yet. What's going on is certainly nothing near the Iraq propaganda effort, or the RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! propaganda effort. It may be that they're looking to see how well that meme will catch on. But my sense is that if they can't reverse the US withdrawal (or not enough to keep the drug trade going), then they want to punish Biden* politically for displeasing them. The situation bears watching, by monitoring which way the m$m will eventually blow.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Putin must be laughing his muscular buttocks off over this American calamity. Just a question now of how many thousands of people are the taliban gonna kill in the next few months. 10,000? 50,000? 100,000?

There hasn't been a US combat death there in 13 months. So why the chaotic clusterfuck of a withdrawl now, during the so-called fighting season? Dumbfuck Biden could not have made it any easier for these child rapists and genital mutilators to just waltz right on in.

Let's see the 1st World Leftist Feminazis come to their defense this time now that we're going to see the depravity that these people and their filthy "religion" are capable of.

P.S. All the European countries that let these degenerates into their space be like "oh shit".

That's on you, Merkel. You piece of shit.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

I don't know if we're actually gonna "see" very much of the coming mega-slaughter. And yes, the vile and demented Left will always support senile Joe no matter what he says or does.

I wasn't talking about Joe*. I was referring to the brain damage necessary for young feminists in America and other 1st world nations to also come out and support the diseased Muslim religion, while the women in Muslim countries look at Western women with disgust for bitching about how bad they've got it. There has never been a more entitled class of people than the modern Western woman.

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Same with Merkel, and the rest of socialist Europe. They're all enlightened and such, dontcha know? Fuck 'em. They deserve whatever fallout from those animals they get.

Yeah. But I do feel bad for all of them that weren't on board. We didn't hear much from them because they were silenced, but there were a LOT of 'em.

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SECOND

Tuesday, August 17, 2021 3:50 PM

What Does the Fall of Saigon Really Have to Teach Us About Afghanistan? The comparisons may have less to do with history than a right-wing fixation.

How did American memory of the events of the fall of Saigon change over the years?

At the time of the war itself, right up to and including the fall of Saigon, the overwhelming majority of Americans had come to the conclusion that the war was, at the very least, a horrible mistake. By the early 1970s, a majority of Americans had concluded that the war was immoral.

But by the time that Reagan became president in 1981, the political shift to the right had created a story about the Vietnam War that focused American attention on the idea that the war was a noble cause—could have been won, should have been won. And that a victory didn’t happen because we didn’t try hard enough, we quote-unquote denied our soldiers permission to win. Many Americans were wanting to restore a sense of national pride, prestige, and patriotism.

That was the creation of an image of Vietnam veterans as the key symbol of the war. Many parts of the culture were encouraging Americans to pay attention to and honor Vietnam veterans—part of the larger sort of project to make the experience of Vietnam into an American tragedy, rather than pay attention to the damage and wreckage that the United States had brought to Vietnam. So, for example, by the 1980s, if you asked Americans how many Vietnamese died in the war, there were a couple of polls where people would guess something like 100,000 or so, when in fact it was something like 3 million Vietnamese casualties to our 58,000 Americans.

Republicans are blaming Biden, of course. We need to point out that Trump came to power promising to end the war in Afghanistan, and as late as February 2020 sent officials to negotiate with the Taliban. He promised the US would leave Afghanistan by May 1, 2020. The military talked him out of doing that so fully and decisively, but he had made a commitment to it. And in the campaign in the fall 2020, he claimed that Biden was going to continue the war, and he was going to end it.

According to one poll, in July, 2021, 73 percent of Americans wanted out of Afghanistan. That was similar in the 1970s in Vietnam. Republicans and Democrats were disillusioned with the war. Years later Reagan attacked the Democrats for having failed to succeed there.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/afghanistan-kabul-taliban-
fall-of-saigon-vietnam-comparison.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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