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Saturday, August 14, 2021 10:36 PM


I have the same question for you as I did for DT - what will you do if(when) your predictions don't come true? Burrow ever further into denial when 60% of the vaccinated people you know fail to die on cue, and start claiming that they're really zombies?

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 5:04 PM

Playing Nice With the Fossil Fuel Industry Is Climate Denial

The Biden administration is now on track to approve more oil and gas drilling on public lands—activity that accounts for a quarter of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions—than any administration since George W. Bush. Climate envoy John Kerry has balked at the idea of committing the U.S. to a coal phaseout. Politicians who call themselves climate hawks are still going out of their way to make clear that there’s a vibrant future ahead for the companies that funded climate denial, whose business model remains built around burning up and extracting as many fossil fuels as possible. Administration officials, meanwhile, have talked repeatedly about the need to cap warming at 1.5 degrees Celsius.

This is climate denial. These politicians don’t dispute that the climate is changing, but they are absolutely in denial about what curbing it would entail.

Rhetorically, the administration has emphasized electric vehicles, in particular, as being at the core of its climate agenda. With the right incentives, the thinking goes, the U.S. can transform a historically important sector into an engine of green job creation and decarbonization. So what is the White House doing to make good on its promise of sparking an E.V. revolution? Last week, the White House announced that it had reached a nonbinding deal with the country’s biggest automakers that half their new vehicles would be electric, plug-in hybrid, or hydrogen-electric by 2030.

That target in fact falls short of what car companies themselves previously pledged. And the funding for the goal is pretty meager, too. Electric vehicles and buses only get $7.5 billion each in the bipartisan infrastructure plan, to be parceled out over 10 years in the form of incentives rather than direct spending.

Showing off a modest pilot project for solar-paneled highways last week, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg claimed the U.S. has entered the race to “win the E.V. market.” This, to put it plainly, is ridiculous. Let’s compare, for example, where the U.S. is to where China is on that front. The U.S. currently has 1,650 electric and fuel cell buses currently or “soon to be” in use. Since 2015, China has rolled out 421,000 electric buses via generous industrial policy that paid automaker BYD the equivalent of $150,000 for every $300,000 electric bus it churned out. That was paired with procurement policies that created a built-in market for what were then still clunky e-buses, forcing manufacturers to work out the kinks as they scaled production to meet demand from the public sector. Shenzhen alone now has 16,000 electric buses, along with some 12,000 E.V. taxis.

The American automobile industry, specifically Ford and GM, have known for over half a century about the threat their products posed to the habitability of the planet. They responded by funding climate denial. The Biden administration is offering these companies free advertising and voluntary incentives to change course. That isn’t treating climate change as a crisis so much as a business opportunity for its favorite sectors.

Decarbonization is fundamentally a planning problem. The U.S. (among other rich countries) has grown allergic to planning, at least in the areas that might help reduce emissions. Even in the places where it’s most bullish, like E.V.s, the best the administration can imagine is tweaks around the edges.

The physical reality of climate change doesn’t make the politics surrounding it any easier. Thanks to the decades-long push to drag the U.S. political spectrum to the right, any reasonable solutions for dealing with the climate crisis seem all but impossible here. Realistically, at this point, climate leadership will have to come from elsewhere. Whatever climate spending Democrats can eke out of reconciliation is certainly welcome. But something’s gotta give at a much larger scale. The planet we’ve known already is venturing into “unprecedented” territory. Our politics should, too.

More at https://newrepublic.com/article/

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:01 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I have the same question for you as I did for DT - what will you do if(when) your predictions don't come true? Burrow ever further into denial when 60% of the vaccinated people you know fail to die on cue, and start claiming that they're really zombies?



I'm trolling DT.

I don't want that to happen. People I care about will die.

But if somebody tries to force the shot on me, they're going to meet their maker.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:24 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm trolling DT.

I don't want that to happen. People I care about will die.

But if somebody tries to force the shot on me, they're going to meet their maker.

Are you channeling Nicolas Cage? Because that could be dialog from one of his violent and peculiar movies.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000115/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:25 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm trolling DT.

I don't want that to happen. People I care about will die.

But if somebody tries to force the shot on me, they're going to meet their maker.

Are you channeling Nicolas Cage? Because that could be dialog from one of his violent and peculiar movies.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000115/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Nah. Nic Cage is a national treasure, but I do me.



I'm not looking for violence. My statement is a fair warning...

Anybody who's looking for it is going to find it.

Here there be dragons.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:47 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nah. Nic Cage is a national treasure, but I do me.



I'm not looking for violence. My statement is a fair warning...

Anybody who's looking for it is going to find it.

Here there be dragons.

You're doing it again. Nicolas Cage is speaking. You're acting, 6ix, and fireflyfans.net is the stage you strut and prance upon.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:50 PM

We'll see who's acting. Perhaps you would like to be the one to stop by and administer my shot for me?

So what movie are you talking about anyhow? I never click on any of your dumb links.



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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 8:08 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We'll see who's acting. Perhaps you want to be the one to stop by and administer my shot for me?

So what movie are you talking about anyhow? I never click on any of your dumb links.

The movie is "Pig". The reviews said it's Cage's most restrained acting in years. I was hoping for realism, and it was until the truffle sniffing pig was stolen. But pretty soon Cage is in an underground fight club for restaurant workers only in an abandoned part of Portland Oregon, taking punch after punch without fighting back. He was already beat up before that fight. Cage is tough. Cage is laconic, which is unusual for him. He makes people uncomfortable with his homeless persona, especially the dried blood on his face. When the vax team comes for you, 6ix, scare them with dried blood on your face. They will run from you without a fight.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/pig-2021

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 8:37 PM

Where's the fun in that?


I haven't seen a Cage flick since Wicker Man. But I think I'm going to watch the one where he beats the piss out of some Showbiz Pizza puppets.

I hear he doesn't have any dialog in the whole movie. I'll probably be a lot scarier to any labcoats that come my way if I don't say anything to them.

The hate in my eyes will do all the talking for me.



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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Where's the fun in that?


I haven't seen a Cage flick since Wicker Man. But I think I'm going to watch the one where he beats the piss out of some Showbiz Pizza puppets.

I hear he doesn't have any dialog in the whole movie. I'll probably be a lot scarier to any labcoats that come my way if I don't say anything to them.

The hate in my eyes will do all the talking for me.

What will you do when the interstate pipelines are shutdown for natural gas and gasoline? Are you switching to solar, wind and nuclear energy? Or will you burn coal and wood to prove you don't believe climate change is real? Maybe go the next step and become an arsonist burning forests? Don't let Smoky the Bear and lab-coat wearing libtards tell you not to start forest fires. You must be free to do whatever you please or else America is a prison!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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