Taliban winning in Afghanistan
POSTED BY: Magonsdaughter
UPDATED: Sunday, August 30, 2026 23:18
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whole lot of necroposting going on
that said, yeah looks like they won
but remember, afghanistan, where empires go to die
keep the shiny side up
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Biden keeps low public profile as more territory falls to Taliban in Afghanistan
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/biden-keeps-low-public-profile-170800062.htm
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Trump blasts the 'tragic mess' Biden has left in Afghanistan as US embassy staff pack up, prepare to destroy papers and computers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9891193/Trump-blasts-tragic-m
ess-Biden-left-Afghanistan-embassy-staff-pack-up.html
Biden faces mounting criticism as Taliban advances
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/aug/13/joe-biden-taliban
-afghanistan-mitch-mcconnell-coronavirus-covid-cases-us-politics-latest
The Taliban Now Controls Over Two Thirds of Afghanistan as Biden Pulls Out
https://floridianpress.com/2021/08/taliban-now-controls-over-two-third
s-of-afghanistan-as-biden-pulls-out/
At 4 p.m. EST FOX and MSNBC led the news with Afghanistan, CNN leads with COVID-19
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Like Vietnam all over again.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
The US isn't entirely out of Afghanistan. There is still plenty of bombing and covert ops going on. I do wonder how the CIA self-funding heroin business is going on tho. My sense is that despite all appearances, that will carry on as per usual (unless they've largely supplanted that trade with other drugs in other countries and no longer need the Golden Triangle).
Joe* is trying to negotiate with other countries to carry the white man's burden. I guess we'll see just how vital other countries think Afghanistan is to their own welfare.
OH ... yeah. This'll be a good opportunity to see how quickly Afghanistan disappears from the news*. The more we read about how the those poor people are suffering because of US laziness and perfidy, the more it'll appear that the Deep State is still running the Afghanistan War show.
Quote:http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61954&p=113
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Despite your claim to Afghani's laziness and perfidy being at the root of their suffering - they were doing just fine until the US decided to fund the Taliban in the 80's. Because ... RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! And then there was the CIA-funded drug trade which put a LOT of money - and weapons - into the hands of the warlords and Taliban, against which common people had no defense.
The obscene volume of money funding the drug trade is unstoppable.
And just to put this back OT: "A thread for Democrats Only" - these policies were pursued vigorously by democrats*.
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I couldn't give two shits about Afghanistan or anybody claiming that Joe* is abandoning them.
Anybody on the Right Wing that is taking advantage of this one is putting their own hypocrisy on display.
Fuck the never-ending war. Stop meddling with other people's affairs and giving shit away for free.
Good for you, Joe*
And yes. That is a sentence that I just said.
I don't expect to be saying it again any time soon.
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Quote:1975 April 23: President Gerald Ford says the Vietnam War is finished as far as America is concerned. “Today, Americans can regain the sense of pride that existed before Vietnam. But it cannot be achieved by re-fighting a war.” The South Vietnamese were desperately pleading for U.S. support as the North Vietnamese surrounded Saigon for the final assault on the capital city.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like Vietnam all over again.
The North Vietnamese had launched a major offensive in March to capture the provincial capital of Ban Me Thuot (Darlac province) in the Central Highlands. The South Vietnamese defenders there fought very poorly and were quickly overwhelmed by the North Vietnamese attackers.
President Thieu resigned and transferred authority to Vice President Tran Van Huong before fleeing Saigon on April 25.
By April 27, the North Vietnamese had completely encircled Saigon. By the morning of April 30, it was all over. When the North Vietnamese tanks crashed through the gates of the Presidential Palace in Saigon, the South Vietnamese surrendered and the Vietnam War was officially over.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-says-that-war-is-fini
shed-for-america
Afghan president Ashraf Ghani might actually welcome the Taliban, making Afghanistan slightly different than Vietnam. Or the Taliban might behead President Ashraf Ghani, another possible difference, because he is a puppet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashraf_Ghani#Relations_with_Taliban
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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This was a pointless war. The locals don't want us there. They don't love the taliban, but they seem to admit that the taliban is mostly local, and the people I know in the area tell me the war only solidifies taliban power, because it makes it about warfare, something the taliban is good at. If combatants leave, eventually it'll become about democracy, and then the people will have the chance to challenge the taliban in elections, even if that has to be fought at a very local level. It's Bush idiocy which dragged on way too long after him
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In hindsight, suddenly everyone knows why the Afghan army collapsed
“We realized that this is not going to work. We had made a big bet only to learn that our local partner was rotten.”
Let's round this all up:
Hubristic nation building.
Starry-eyed constitution writing.
Wildly unrealistic military training.
Vast corruption.
Lack of food and weapons for Afghan soldiers.
Bad negotiating from the Trump administration.
Afghan leadership void.
I'm sure glad everyone is finally able to admit this now that the war is over, but it sure sounds like it's been common knowledge for at least a decade. This is why I think it's folly to suggest that things would have been any different if we'd waited another six months before withdrawing.
There's no question that the US policy class has a lot to answer for here, but the bulk of the blame has to be placed on the US Army. They were the ones on the ground. They were the ones who built an Afghan military that was completely unsuitable to the country. They're the ones who apparently never grasped the full extent of the corruption they were up against. They were the ones who advised four different US presidents that things were going well if they could just have a little more time and a few more troops.
The US military is hardly the only organization that hates to be the bearer of bad news. Nor are they the only organization that hates to admit they can't do the job they're being asked to do. But an unwillingness to do these things was one of the primary reasons we lost Vietnam, and our military leadership at the time swore it would never happen again.
But it did, just as soon as they found themselves in a similar situation. I remember years and years of blathering about counterinsurgency during the aughts, with army officers insisting that we could learn how to do it and skeptics pointing out that there were practically no examples of successful Western counterinsurgencies in the entire era since World War II. But after David Petraeus left the scene everyone got tired of this stuff and the nation's op-ed pages moved on to other things.
But guess what? The skeptics were right.
More at https://jabberwocking.com/in-hindsight-suddenly-everyone-knows-why-the
-afghan-army-collapsed/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:
But guess what? The skeptics were right.
Yup.
And 20 years from now the people that are still alive will say the same thing about the skeptics of the vaccine.
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