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Some Covid-19 thoughts
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Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:31 PM
Quote:If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So is everybody just going to ignore the fact that the Biden* administration is going to try forcing through a vaccine mandate without officially forcing through a vaccine mandate?
It's still going to be a Constitutional crisis on his hands no matter how they try to spin it.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
You should be horrified at the [even more] control that's being put in business' hands.
*BTW, you've GOT to stop getting your "news" from Memology101. You can't possily get valuable info in a 9-second clip. It's just like THUGR posting cartoons: All opinion, no facts.
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I'm more concerned with the censorship that's being used to promote this...
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Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test
Just yesterday, we discussed the censoring of a commentator by Twitter for merely expressing an opinion over the need for a “pause” on any federal mandates on Covid-19 as new research is studied.
Now, a former New York Times science reporter, Alex Berenson, has been suspended for simply quoting the results from a clinical trial by Pfizer and raising questions over any vaccine mandate. In the meantime, the White House accused both the Washington Post and New York Times of irresponsible reporting on Covid, but surprisingly Twitter has not suspended those accounts. It is the license of the censor. Twitter is unwilling to let people read or discuss viewpoints that it disagrees with as a corporation. Many on the left, however, have embraced the concept of corporate speech and censorship. It turns out that the problem with censorship for many was the failure to censor views that they opposed. With the “right” censors at work, the free speech concerns have been set aside.
I have little ability to judge the science on such questions. However, I welcome the debate. Yet, rather than answer such critics and refute their arguments, many people focus on silencing anyone with dissenting viewpoints like Berenson.
Berenson has been effectively confined to Substack by Big Tech due to his discussing dissenting views on the science surrounding Covid-19. His latest offense against Big Tech came when he posted the results published by Pfizer of its own clinical data. He claimed that the research showed little difference in morality between those in the trial with a vaccine and those given a placebo.
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/07/31/twitter-suspends-science-writer-
after-he-posts-results-of-pfizer-clinical-test/
I hope the image comes thru. The post was that "15 patients who received the vaccine die. 14 patients who received the placebo died"
There is something truly hinky about those statistics.
KIKI, I'm sure you've already figured it out. Let's see if anyone else does.
Despite the fact that the figures are truly misleading, nonetheless they should be brought out in the open and discussed, not censored.
But they're censoring EVERYTHING, not just news about Covid-19.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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Sunday, August 1, 2021 2:04 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*
Not hyperbole.
If you cannot live in America without a shot because businesses are allowed to make it so that you cannot work or eat without one, that is NO different than the government forcing you to get one.
Don't play games.
The people who start shooting everything up if that time comes to pass certainly won't be.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Sunday, August 1, 2021 4:55 AM
Signy
The tweet outright states that the vax does NOT reduce the risk of dying from COVID-19.
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The pivotal clinical trial for the @pfizer #Covid vaccine shows it does nothing to reduce the overall risk of death. ZERO.
15 patients who received the vaccine died, 14 who received the placebo died
How could this happen???!!!! How could we be so misled??!!!
Trying to puzzle this out, a first glance, I noticed missing numbers.
Quote:15 out of how many ... ? 14 out of how many ... ?
15 patients who received the vaccine died, 14 who received the placebo died
Since there are definitely missing numbers, and missing context, this is hard to interpret.
It required a deeper dig.
I looked most assiduously for the quote tweeted, but didn't find anything.
So I went back to the original tweet by typing in
https://t.co/0rVYHRTjpm
and found it =
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1420839456228118535 .
And I clicked on the photo within and found this
Quote:By entering the full quote into the search engine, no quotes (to account for any formatting characters) I came up with this:
During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open label period 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators. Causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups (Table S4).
Quote:Reading it, I found that the quote OBVIOUSLY addressed the safety portion of the trial, looking to see if people who received the vax were at any more risk of dying than people who didn't. And the vax was deemed as safe as getting a placebo. OBVIOUSLY the tweet was a HIGHLY edited snippet, with the author's comments that outright lied about its meaning.
https://www.scribd.com/document/517713886/2021-07-28-21261159v1-full
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine
Anyway, I also looked into this (non provided link) source:
Quote:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine
The twit could have provided links to sources, but chose not to. For some strange reason ...
I general I agree with you. Private entities should not be censoring public discussions.
That said, Berenson was beyond shameful. And anything that comes from him should be looked at with deep distrust, since he knows no boundaries when it comes to lying.
cross posted to 'new deadly ...' thread
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Sunday, August 1, 2021 5:56 AM
Quote:Uh huh.
SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*
SIX: Not hyperbole.
Quote:uh huh
SIX: If you cannot live in America without a shot because businesses are allowed to make it so that you cannot work or eat without one, that is NO different than the government forcing you to get one.
Don't play games.
The people who start shooting everything up if that time comes to pass certainly won't be.
Yanno, if you can't make a point without threats of violence, maybe you don't have a point to make.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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Sunday, August 1, 2021 6:06 AM
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That said, Berenson was beyond shameful. And anything that comes from him should be looked at with deep distrust, since he knows no boundaries when it comes to lying.
There is massive lying ON BOTH SIDES. And unfortunately there are gullible people ON BOTH SIDES who believe the lies
I didn't look into as deeply as you did. I immediately stumbled over the fact that the tweet appeared to be saying that 14 people got the shot, all got Covid-19 and died, while 15people got the placebo, all got Covid-19 and died.
I assumed it was a much more innocent mistake, something about population selection.
I didn't realize Berenson was as big a LIAR as SECONDRATE and GSTRING.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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Sunday, August 1, 2021 6:32 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Uh huh.
SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*
SIX: Not hyperbole.Quote:uh huh
SIX: If you cannot live in America without a shot because businesses are allowed to make it so that you cannot work or eat without one, that is NO different than the government forcing you to get one.
Don't play games.
The people who start shooting everything up if that time comes to pass certainly won't be.
Yanno, if you can't make a point without threats of violence, maybe you don't have a point to make.
I didn't threaten violence.
It's already established that I could go the next 5 or 6 years without making a dime and I'll be alright. Only then would I have to resort to using my massive amount of credit at my disposal with my 820+ credit score.
Unlike millions... possibly tens of millions of other people who won't get the shot, I've got plenty of time to wait this out. And with many years of near-agoraphobic behavior under my belt, it won't take too much adjusting to slide right back into that mode of operation.
Are you denying the fact that crazy people with guns aren't all around just looking for a reason?
Just be on high-alert whenever you go out is all I'm saying. If you put everybody's back against the wall, there's going to be a Vegas nutjob on every corner.
All the ones killing themselves right now are the ones with too much of a conscience to bring others along to meet their maker.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Sunday, August 1, 2021 6:36 AM
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Sunday, August 1, 2021 6:44 AM
CNN is now saying we need to bar people from working or buying food if they aren't vaccinated.
Keep telling me I'm making this shit up and/or being hyperbolic, Sigs.
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Sunday, August 1, 2021 7:14 AM
But finding the full facts about SARS-CoV-2 delta in the m$m is almost as much of a chore.
I've been somewhat researching SARS-CoV-2 delta and came across apparently conflicting data.
This data from a study by the Kaiser Family Foundation using public sources indicated that, at most, 0.9% of fully vaccinated people will catch SARS-CoV-2 delta, with at most 0.06% hospitalized, and 0.0% deaths. And that means that virtually all infections, and hospitalizations, and all deaths, will occur in the unvaccinated. (It also indicated that the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections in July 2021. Who knew? But that's why KFF had to compile data from states that track the data.)
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COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-d
ata-from-the-states/
Percent of Fully Vaccinated Individuals That Have Experienced a COVID-19 Breakthrough Event (interactive graph not able to be linked)
But then there's this:
Quote:This is just one link among many about this topic, but this one was particularly complete.
Three-quarters of people infected in Provincetown outbreak were vaccinated, CDC finds
https://www.pressherald.com/2021/07/30/cdc-finds-most-people-in-delta-
fueled-provincetown-outbreak-were-vaccinated/
The report on the Massachusetts cases, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, offers key evidence bolstering the hypothesis that vaccinated people can spread the more transmissible variant and may be a factor in the summer surge of infections.
The full outbreak, which began over the July 4 holiday weekend, is close to 900 cases, but the analysis included only a subset of 469 cases. About three-quarters of infections occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, and that group had received vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. ... 79% of vaccinated breakthrough infections were symptomatic. Four of five people who were hospitalized were fully vaccinated.
And there's this about the same incident:
Quote:Though this AP story isn't as complete, it did link a CDC study.
Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d950451
9a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1
The linked CDC study was a statistical reporting of the outbreak:
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Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w
Looking over all of this, there are definitely missing numbers:
Quote:The number of vaccinated/ infected is out of how many vaccinated/ exposed? If a few thousand vaccinated were exposed, and only a few hundred were infected; and only a few hundred were unvaccinated and exposed, but a few hundred of those became ill, that would put a different meaning into the numbers.
469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons.
To be fair, those numbers - vaccinated and unvaccinated plus exposed - aren't provided because they aren't known. What is known is that statewide, the vax rate is about 70%. But that number may be percent vaccinated of vaccine-eligible population (age, occupation, and health conditions, as defined by the state) rather than percent of total population. So that missing information causes me a slight pause in interpreting this.
Another gap is an explanation as to how these cases were enumerated. How, for example, did they find the asymptomatic cases? And is there a difference between asymptomatic percent in vaccinated v unvaccinated? (FWIW I'd assume the vaccinated would have more symptoms related to immune response: fever, chills, aches and pains, feeling 'blah', and so on.)
Finally, there's the as-yet-unpublis
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